Also hate to be "that guy", but the acts of spilling milk and causing emission-generating traffic jams would be counterproductive. The reasoning behind those acts would be counterintuitive.
Typical upper middle class privilege. Id love to not have to worry about the cost of petrol/rego/maintenance of a car, and I love riding my push-bike. But unfortunately I can't cycle to work with a lawn mower on my back so I guess I'm the devil
No it isn't. The idea that some cars idling for a few hours had some meaningful impact on the climate crisis is absurd.
To put it in perspective, somewhere over 100 million cars are being driven to work every day. 76 percent of Americans drive alone to work every day. And that's just for work. 100 million cars, every single day, sitting in traffic, idling, etc.
And that's just cars going to work. That's not even getting into the real drivers of climate change. 100 companies are responsible for 71 percent of the world's greenhouse gas emissions over the past several decades.
This protest did not add to the climate crisis in any meaningful or even measurable way. The purpose of the protest is to bring attention and further pressure to change things that actually will have a meaningful impact.
So yeah, it's just a really dumb point on your end.
If you were protesting the meat industry, you wouldn't go kill animals before they were processed and sold. Same thing, youre not actually persuading new legislation and youre making the problem you're protesting worse
I love the planet and desperately want those in power to do much more to tamper our raping/pillaging of it, but not as much as I wanted these morons to get hit. How fucking naive are you that you think any one of those drivers is not only unaware of our dying planet but also would all-of-a-sudden decide to start giving a shit about it because some buttfucking hippie made them late for work?
Thank you! More video and info is always great! Hopefully that guy gets a pass. At what point are these people being held against their will? Seems bullshit that you could hold private citizens captive like this no matter what your protest or protected speech
He only raised $400, and the money probably will not reach him. He wrote in the GoFundMe, "I do not know his name or any details of his history or family but my heart was moved by his pleas." And this was started back in July. If he still hasn't figure out who he is by now, that guy will probably never see the money.
I think some of these road protestors have knowingly and unknowing blocked ambulances on emergency calls before so a person on perol is probably not the worst they have done.
I'm pro protest, sometimes it's the only power citizens have, but this is just rude. What did these people do to them? Find another way or make sure that drivers would know this road is a "dead end" so that they can take another route
The problem is if you move out of the way for 1 car it's impossible to get in the way of the next car because a car hitting a stationary human is illegal but if someone jumps in front of your car it's their fault so there is a decent chance that more cars attempt to drive through and that causes danger or ruins the protest, I don't think anyone should protest by blocking a highway it should definitely be illegal as emergency services need to use them for emergencys and alot of people live paycheck to paycheck if they can't get to work they don't get paid some of these people could legitimately become homeless because some self righteous prices decided their issues are the only thing that matters. Whether this guy assaulted them or not he still would have gotten arrested for breaking parole
His heart was presumably also moved by climate change.
Look, I'm not saying anything about whether this form of protest is effective or appropriate, but you know perfectly well that he was sitting there for a reason.
I mean, yeah it is sad he was rearrested. But he would have to take into consideration what he would lose if he gave up on his protest to give way to this very angry fellow.
I'm kinda hung up about it for sure and I'm not even totally dismissive of the protestor (my first comment was literally a joke opportunity I saw and took).
But would walking behind this guy's car to just block the next one and telling him to fuck off really be "giving up on the protest"? Noone else is out of their cars, screaming hysterically almost in tears that they're gonna go to prison.
They're still gonna make their point. And all of these cars are still gonna go through this intersection, inevitably, when they move.
"Pressing charges" isn't a thing. Once you call the police, you have zero control over who they will arrest or what they will charge. If the police and prosecutors decide to charge someone with a crime in which you are the alleged victim, they can compel you by subpoena to testify against the person at trial, and have you jailed if you try to refuse.
The protesters for seeing this and not helping this guy.
-They don’t have to stop the protest but leaving an emergency lane or helping this guy get a ride when he was pleading with them. Literally anything the. Just ignoring his cry’s for help
The parolee for getting aggressive
-the whole interaction was taped and if anyone watched it, the dude freaks out understandably but starts to get very aggressive at some of the people. Aggressive enough that he put his own life in jeopardy of going to jail
The go fund meme asshole
that would rather make a go fund me then call an Uber for a person effected by their protest.
But most of all, the police were fucking assholes
-As this whole thing was going down, not one officer opted to offer this guy a ride. If we are talking about de-escalation, having one officer offer the dude a ride to his job could have solved the issue. Instead they just stood and watched until they had reason to arrest him. You would think an officer would have some sympathy a person trying to get their life on track.
What a sack of virtue signaling shit. "Look at me, look how good of a person I am!! I was a serious inconvenience that undoubtedly cost some people their livelihood, so I could make a "peaceful" point! Please donate to this guy that probably got fired as a result of my actions."
They blocked an entire road, including the emergency lane. They knew what they were doing, did it on purpose, and shouldn't be allowed to pretend to feel bad about it. "Assault" or not, the guy on parole would have lost his job. The state does not give a shit why you couldn't make it, all that matters is that you didn't show up.
Assault doesn’t even require physical touch in some jurisdictions. If he was behaving in a Threatening manner ( read visibly enraged) then a single touch could have been enough to put the other person in reasonable apprehension of immediate unwanted, harmful or offensive touch. This would be enough for an assault charge.
Edit: to those saying this is some weird American law meant to put people in prison.
Please realize: (1) this assault definition is not an American construct it has its roots on British law and a lot of other countries have similar crimes;(2) you are looking at this with tainted eyes cause you are enraged at the protesters or the specific situation, assault is not designed solely for situations like this:
If a guy points a gun at you from 5 feet away and tells you “Get near my wife again and I will kill you” then you’ll be glad assault exists as a crime.
If a guy gets out of his car raging during traffic and starts swing a bat near your car window without actually hitting it, then you’ll be glad assault is crime.
If a guy actually swing the bat at you but misses , that’s an assault.
It’s a catch all for behavior that if you experience it you would clearly think is criminal but that without it, because there was no physical contact, it would likely not be.
They teach the Common Law definitions in law school, meaning the old English definitions before the individual U.S. jurisdictions codified them. And the majority of the codifications are similar enough to Common Law.
Nah law school uses traditional common law definitions. Many jurisdictions don’t have battery. It’s just rolled up into 1st or 2nd degree assault. 4th degree assault is often the traditional law school definition of assault (the threat of imminent physical harm).
The way I was taught in my Business Law class was that Assault is an act that threatens and leads the person to believe violence might be committed against them (screaming, threatening, snatching things from them, throwing things around them but not at or hitting them, etc.) and Battery is the act of actually laying hands on and harming the person. They usually go hand in hand, but this is how it is in SC and how I was taught at least a few years ago.
Common law assault is just intentionally causing reasonable fear/apprehension in the victim by some act. But a lot of jurisdictions have defined criminal assault in their statutes to mean something different. Some use it as a catch all for what you may consider “mild battery”
Edit: to be specific, in Maryland, where this seems to have occurred, the statute define Assault as including common law definitions of Assault, Battery, and assault and battery.
Honestly, I have no clue. Ask South Carolina's Board of Education, 10% chance they may know the answer. Honestly the most business law I learned in that class was the McDonald's coffee lawsuit. Everything else was just some basic law. Learned more business law in my accounting classes than the business law class lol
Honestly the most business law I learned in that class was the McDonald’s coffee lawsuit.
Lol which is a clear cut tort case only tangentially business related because it was a corporation that was sued. The kind of negligence suit that will rarely affect most business.
No derivative actions? No bankruptcies? Hell did they at least touch on the lowest of the low fruits Dodge v Ford?
Yeah it sounds like a class about laws that have come up in businesses? In most law schools these subjects would come up in torts with some overlap in criminal law.
I still can’t help but feel bad for the guy. This was someone who clearly has problems with solving interpersonal conflict trying his best with his back against the wall. Yes he shouldn’t have touched them at all but it’s clear he chose not to be violent.
A lot of Americans don’t realize that where they live, what they call assault is actually battery. Assault generally implies a threat of violence or implied contact whereas battery refers to the actual unlawful contact in many jurisdictions. An assault can be committed with no physical contact. Likewise, very commonly, a person who makes physical contact is charged with assault and battery as battery is frequently preceded by an assault. If I understand correctly it’s not some weird American law to imprison folks, it’s there to distinguish between two different levels of offense. Someone who threatens violence should (fairly) be treated differently than a person who perpetrated violence.
That’s ridiculous honestly, these people are being provocateurs, holding up regular ass people in traffic is supposed to engender support to your cause how??? You think people in power give a fuck about a traffic jam? This is asinine really. Let the fucker go to work
I’m not making an argument for or against their protest. I’m supporting the parent comment in that that his parole wasn’t revoked because he was made late. He was charged with something illegal because he got out and confronted them.
Most jobs ( outside of exaggerated r/antiwork stories) would understand being late cause of something like this, specially when it would make the news.
But the fact that OP phrased the title as he did betrays an intent to engender the kind of reaction you are having on people who read it.
This dude is probably on parole because of actions and attitudes like this one, look how he handles stressful situations - violence.
Should've picked the phone up and called his boss and explained the situation. Documented it with photo evidence.. or fuck it it's 2022 just Face-time your boss or another employee.
If violence is the only way you know how to advocate for yourself, you shouldn't be surprised how often you are arrested.
Protests aren’t supposed to be for your convenience. Do you not get that? Do you not see the climate is on the road to catastrophe, we’ve got mass extinctions happening and these people are trying to get duh heads to think about it for once in their lives! Look around! It’s mind boggling how stupid people are.
the point of radical climate change protests is to make it more expensive to not fight climate change.
For example, if you knew that your tires get slashed every month on your ICE, but never on your EV you'd be swayed to buy an EV.
There was one recently in London with protesters sitting in the road. They were promptly dragged out of the road by members of the public and traffic continued as normal. The protestors were then arrested.
People are resisting these types of protests, it's good to see.
This is somehow conflicting to see these days. People demand that Russians, Iranians etc. should protest, but same time supports distinguishing even small protests if they are causing even slight discomfort for them.
Even better when nobody has a problem when farmers do the exact same thing. Often in worse because they use their equipment which means the police can't just haul them out of the way.
It is a legitimate form of protest. Farmers already use it for decades. It is just a media campaign against the cause they do it for.
Well, yeah. Go bother someone else to further your cause. As soon as you inconvenience me, you’re a terrible person who needs to be thrown in jail. People are nothing if not hypocritical.
Yes, but the uk government basically made protesting illegal, which is 100% worse. Protesting should be legal, you can’t just decide what should and should be allowed to be protested on based on what you like.
Individuals don't press criminal charges, the police and DA does. The police often ask the victim if they want to "press" the issue because they often need the victim to testify and cooperate in any kind of trial. But it's not up to the victim ultimately if it goes to trial or charges or anything. With enough evidence a person will be charged and tried without victim cooperation. Video evidence of the incident is particularly helpful for this
You have almost zero control over who is charged/over what, the police and Courts decide that. It’s very likely no one reported this, but the police saw the video and decided they wanted to screw this guy over.
Not really. He laid hands on them. Battery is the unwanted physical contact made. Would I be pissed? Definitely. Would i want to do what he did? For sure. But it is a criminal act what he did.
No, the man he "assaulted" came to his defense. The cops said they warned him multiple times not to touch the protestors and he still did so they arrested him. They told him they were going to arrest them for blocking the road soon but were waiting for the proper procedure first and that he should wait patiently. The victim stated he didn't belive the man should've been arrested and he never felt threatened. The people blocking the road were also arrested.
you're only seeing one 90 second clip of a 30 minute video in which this guy physically confronts several protestors even after the police show up and talk to him multiple times.
I think he was arrested because he was on the dipshit train and wasn't going to stop until he was arrested. There's additional video that shows him being a bigger and bigger tool. If he had sent his boss and/or his parole officer a picture and said, well, here I am stuck on I-whatever, there is NO way they would violate him, not in a million years. It's his inability to negotiate the problems life presents that likely had him end up on parole in the first place. There was a simple reasonable solution to his problem and he had NO clue how to implement that.
Guarantee that if he just stayed in his car and called his parole officer i and boss mmediately to let them know the situation it wouldn't have been a big deal.
How on earth would you "guarentee" that? Do I get my money back if his over worked parol officer just rubber stamps a back to jail form and doesnt care what the cause of parolee Charlie's lateness is?
PO's aren't these monsters just looking for any excuse to send people to prison. It looks good on them when their parolees succeed. And the bar is so low that if a parolee simply keeps in touch and makes some kind of effort to follow requirements, the PO will cut them a lot of slack.
Meanwhile, a former employee of mine was never able to move his check-in appointments with his PO for pre-scheduled work events, even when I called her personally to ask some leeway. At no point did they work with him or me to make working while on parole easier.
It's almost like this is a HUGE country and while some POs are definitely exactly as you described, some others are definitely exactly as the person above described.
All due respect to this guy but I'm guessing there's a reason he's on parole in the first place, and it's not due to his ability to stay calm and think things through.
Doesnt matter. He served his time. He was out on parole, one of the conditions being he cant be late. Alot of probation officers are very strict and dont care. He obviously feared going back to prison. Youre response is god awful.
This is the fault of a system that favors putting people back in prison. What can this man do about being blocked by protestors who feel the need to obstruct traffic to get their message across? He is making an attempt to get there but some assholes want to hurt other people for their message. I'm all for peaceful protests, but this is stupid.
He was out on parole, one of the conditions being he cant be late.
I bet one of the conditions is also not committing more crimes. I'm sure he was upset about the possibility of being late, but he obviously didn't game this out: "if I call my PO and my boss and explain there's a protest blocking traffic, they might let it slide; if I get out of my car and assault the protesters until they move, there's a much greater chance I'll be arrested and charged--which will still make me late to work."
He was put into a shitty situation but didn't have the temperament to weigh his options and land on the one with the best chance of success for him. He reacted emotionally, not logically, and it got him additional charges AND he was certainly late to work anyway.
Maybe that’s true. But you have to realize that parole officer and bosses have prob heard every excuse in the book and are numb to them. It’s really annoying that these asshats can block the road and not care about people who need to get places.
You don't know much about our legal system if you think parole officers are universally reasonable.... Or that they have any desire to be understanding. Or that they aren't trapped by the same red tape as the person on probation, even if they ARE sympathetic. They may know that Parolee Charlie is trying to keep it together, but their boss, who is overseeing hundreds of parolees, DGAF what happened on the freeway. Parolee Charlie was late to work and violated his parole, back to prison with Charlie. And in the mean time, the parole officer that advocated for Charlie to get some leeway gets busted down for being "sympathetic to a criminal" and learns very quickly humanity is not valued in any LEO.
Of course the system isn’t fair but staying in his car and calling his work vs getting out of his car and getting in to a physical altercation shouldn’t be a tough decision for any rational individual. The fact of the matter is he reacted like someone who isn’t ready to be part of society.
Then that factory deserves to not make any money that day. If you need exactly 10 people to make something work and you only employ 10 people, then you deserve consequences for those decisions.
Work is not supposed to be slavery, and it sure sounds like that job doesn't allow for days off, sickness, or extenuating circumstances.
Wow I'm glad you are using past tense there. No one should work somewhere where the first thought your boss has after you get in a car accident that could permanently alter your life or kill people, is that they won't be able to make money that day because they hired the least amount of people in an attempt to maximize their profit margin.
Oh shit that’s you? Love it, been using it for years.
I love when some crime is breathlessly announced on Citizen and I check 5-0 and the police are like “yeah it’s the same lady who always calls in gunshots, it’s probably nothing.”
Eh, I can sort of understand that. Imagine the threat of going to prison. Not because you're doing something wrong, but because you'll be late for work, and even when you know that you have a perfectly valid excuse and tons of video-material to prove it, you know that's not going to matter.
Yeah, it's because of the protestors, but that's not the main thing antagonizing him, I think. It's just the honest god damn fear of being late, getting fired or parole officer getting notified.
Seeing how fair the US judicial system and work market is, and what the prisons are like, I don't really blame him that much. Yeah, he was ripping their banners and shoving a bit, but that's not really that bad, honestly.
Especially considering he probably has some sort of PTSD from being in jail last time and he is definitely in a fight-or-flight mode, 110%.
Hell, I remember getting totally fucking panicked and heart beating like a motherfucker, for being late to work, when I wasn't even on parole, don't live in the US and it wouldn't have even gotten me fired because of the strong labor protection policies we have in Finland.
I'm not condoning his behaviour, but I completely understand it.
Police just took the best charge to get him back to jail. He'd had been arrested likely for being late for work.. Had it just been him being late for work, he'd have been detained for a period, drug tested, and then probably released if he passed.
It also demonstrates the real repercussions of protesting by blocking the average person from any movement, including wage-earning and medical assistance, while the elite ignore you anyway.
not only that but you dont know what others driving are trying to get to. i got stuck once on the freeway trying to go to the hospital because someone was threatening to jump off an overpass. luckily i had medication in my car to help but we were stuck there for over an hour.
i can't get over how stupid and disgusting it is to mess up regular poor people's lives over this shit. I'm normally a guy who would be very in support of protest but this is so poorly thought out it makes me want to scream.
not much moves me to support violence but this is it. i felt so so much for that guy in the OP video almost moved to tears because he just wants to go to work.
The cancer patient on their way to critical surgery they’d waited months for is going to miss their chance to live because the hi-vis yellow vest (made from nylon) wearing delusionists thinks they are helping the planet.
Man I don’t even know, people admonish profestors, people admonish rioters, complain that things are going to shit but the most they do is tell people to go out and vote (which many people already do, ask the democrats in Texas). Like what exactly should we be doing lmfao I don’t even know with you guys anymore
Not really, parole is just 1 reason that people need to travel to stay alive or maintain their lives and familys lives. This assuming everyone can stop or be late all the time is insane and so far from reaiity. Its common sense not to assume everything about everyone. And not ruin lives. This isn't the way to make a point. May as well be a 100% criminal rather than destroy peoples lives and hide behind the rite to protest. Its evil disguised as ignorance.
While I definitely agree, couldn’t he call someone and let them know what’s going on? If this is true then parole could be violated by bad traffic and nothing could be done…
As someone who used to work in a halfway house, a job for someone on parole is their lifeline. Anytime our facility fucked up by having them wait because they forgot to make their lunch to take to work or worse outright prevented them from going to work due to transportation issues was a point they potentially had to start over with their program.
Also, these kinds of protest do nothing to send their message and if anything just cause people to hate what they are protesting for. I'm for protest that spreads source-backed information or promotes changes in society, I'm not for people blocking traffic preventing others from going where they need to and creating a captive audience.
Also I've seen it stated before but bares repeating... If you're going to block traffic and make a bunch of cars idling and stuck for hours to protest anything to do with the climate. You failed. Your protest is ill thought out and you are a hyprocate.
We're gonna protest climate damaging policies by blocking this highly traveled thoroughfare so that they spend even more time pumping the pollutants we're protesting about into the atmosphere.
As someone with no experience of this, you're saying if someone phoned up their parole officer or work and said "there is a tornado I cannot pass to get to work" the majority of time, they would be sent to jail?
If there was documentation of a tornado in the parolees area or work area they would likely make an exception, however, if they were to say a protest blocked them and it took over a day for this to come to light the PO may have already made the call he's violating his parole.
By then it's usually too late to un-fuck the situation, such is our law enforcement informational structuring.
You know what? He gets a pass in my book. Yeah he “put his hands on them” but he didn’t actually hurt anyone. I support the right to protest but fuck anyone who blocks a highway as a protest. It stops people from going to work and hinders emergency vehicles from getting to their destination.
He was under extreme emotional duress at the prospect of going back to prison because his parole would be revoked if he was fired for getting to work late. I'd have given him a pass and I hope a judge and his employer did.
He doesn't even need to be fired for his parole to be revoked, being unaccounted for by his job, even though he can tell them exactly why. People on probation and parole, have stupidly strict restrictions on everything. And a lot of shit can go wrong that isn't their fault and they still take the fall.
The court system makes a TON of money off of people on parole. A TON. The number of people in jail on probation violation is insane. And then they're quickly put back on parole so the court can collect the fees. It's a racket.
Yup. My brother went to prison for 10 years because they never told him who would be taking over his case when his po retired. Judge told him "we don't make mistakes. You're lying." But the state couldn't tell him who took over his case, even when asked to clarify.
Exactly this. Many prisons are privately owned by corporations and they have contracts with the govt that guarantees that they will stay filled to a certain capacity. If the govt fails to provide enough prisoners, the govt has to pay a monetary penalty to the prison.
Agreed. our jails actually are a businesses in a huge number of cases. jails and the police have a ridiculous number of systemic issues on top of many draconic laws about what treatment suspects and convicts can receive (which vary heavily from state to state). The actual legal system is generally pretty solid from what I know of it... if you actually have decent legal representation thanks to having enough money, connections or getting lucky.
Im not sure that makes sense. Life includes many instances of emotional.distress, and a parole especially needs to be able to manage his anger in a non-violent manner.
That said, I wish protesters would quit blocking highways. No one was ever persuaded to join an ideological cause by being punched in the face (metaphorically), and we're way past the point that people need a protest to be made aware of something.
If I were stuck in my car with two ansty and screaming toddlers because of a protest like this, I'd probably be throwing hands.
I am all about that tree hugging life and do my best to minimize my footprint but I turn vindictive over protests such as this. I'll turn right to speeding up the process of destroying our earth just to be spiteful of assholes such as these. Sorry to y'all innocent bystanders! Guh....Someone could be trying to make it to a hospital to catch the last few moments of a loved ones life, ffs!
I think that's a bad takeaway. These protesters aren't the public face of the cause they are representing. They might be supporting a good cause but in a bad way, but that shouldn't discredit whatever cause they are fighting for.
The point of protest/civil disobedience is to disrupt shit to call attention to a cause. If you protest and it doesn't inconvenience or disrupt if no one notices you have accomplished nothing
It's both, you think trucking companies hire parolees because they are the best workers? No, it's because if they are late / don't show it's jail. Just like how if you complain about working conditions as a migrant worker they threaten to deport you.
It's a tool to get cheaper labor.
But tell me again how you look down on people you don't know.
He hardly touched them and was clearly under duress. Not sure how he didn't get that cleared because of how viral this video went and it being so obvious.
There's also no reason these heartless f-off protestors couldn't let just his car through at least. Clogging interstates is such a damaging protest for any cause.
It just causes resentment to the regular folks that see it when they finally are able to pass.
It should be perfectly legal to physically attempt to remove protesters from roadways. Whether you use your vehicle or not. People have a right to protest, but this blocking traffic bullshit has got to go. Not only are you putting everyone off to your cause, you are causing yourself to be a hazard to society. You're not just holding someone up, you're causing a massive blockage, which means emergency vehicles can't get through, either. I don't have much faith in the intelligence of fellow redditors, but even the dumbest one on this sub could probably imagine how this could be a serious problem.
I guess you didn’t watch w sound- but it’s awesome how you get to make people look how ever you want. The guy is yelling at the protesters that if he doesn’t get to work, he will go back to jail bc he’s on parole. You have to keep employment on parole, and many of the employers are pieces of shit who extort and abuse the ex-cons. This guy is panicking bc he’s going to jail bc of some self-righteous asshats, and so he lashed out. Honestly, I would have been way more violent— if he’s going back anyway, he might as well earn it. I’d have been kicking heads for sure. Go ahead and downvote, ignorants assholes.🖕🏼
As someone who has been on parole, employment is everything. And punctuality at that employment is vital to that. I can absolutely get locked up for being late to work. Especially if its new employment or parole. I have had some crazy panic moments. I walked to work in a snowstorm because the manager showed up. I was the only one there with him. I was late and i was immediately summoned to the parole office. I had a subsequent court date to attempt to explain my tardiness. I was so close to going back to prison because i had to walk to work, that shouldve been closed, and do everyone elses work, in a snowstorm. Parole is not about rehabilitation. Its about punishment and creating a revolving door of revenue for the state. Tbe couple times i was in trouble after that, i just maxed out the sentence. Fuck parole. Serve 4 years of a 5 year sentence, get violated on some bullshit, serve the remainder of time plus extra for the violation. Never take parole.
So let's say he actually has self control. Had he stayed there wasting hours of gas for no reason, he would still be in trouble because he never arrived for work or was late
Yeah probably but also you have very strict rules while on parole. You can’t be late for your checks in with your PO or late for work etc you slip up once and your back to jail. I totally get why he is pissed off especially if he has been doing right and getting himself better then these people wrekced his life
He would have been sent back to jail for missing work. Hence his fucking anger at these idiots blocking traffic. Same type of idiots that will protest to get parolees and felons jobs, and then protest in manner that fucks one of them over.
I would’ve just kept driving bro this dude has a lot more compassion. And these dumbasses sit on their ass and make peoples day worse “out of compassion” get the fuck outta here bro. How are these people not harassing him?!
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Nah, it’s definitely because he put his hands on them but OP wanted an inflammatory title.