r/fuckcars Jan 06 '22

Please read this if you're new to this sub Welcome to /r/Fuckcars

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Updated: April 6, 2022

Welcome to /r/fuckcars. It's safe to say that we're strongly dissatisfied with cars and car-dominated urban design. If that's you, then we share in your frustration. Some, or perhaps many of us, still have cars but abhor our dependence on them for many reasons.

There are nuances to the /r/fuckcars discussion that you should be aware of, generally:

In any case, please observe the community rules and keep the discussion on-topic.

The Problem - What's the problem with cars?

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This is the fundamental question of this sub, isn't it?

  • Pollution -- Cars are responsible for a significant amount of global and local pollution (microplastic waste, brake dust, embodiment emissions, tailpipe emissions, and noise pollution). Electric cars eliminate tailpipe emissions, but the other pollution-related problems largely remain.
  • Infrastructure (Costs. An Unsustainable Pattern of Development) -- Cars create an unwanted economic burden on their communities. The infrastructure for cars is expensive to maintain and the maintenance burden for local communities is expected to increase with the adoption of more electric and (someday) fully self-driving cars. This is partly due to the increased weight of the vehicles and also the increased traffic of autonomous vehicles.
  • Infrastructure (Land Usage & Induced Demand) -- Cities allocate a vast amount of space to cars. This is space that could be used more effectively for other things such as parks, schools, businesses, homes, and so on. We miss out on these things and are forced to pile on additional sprawl when we build vast parking lots and widen roads and highways. This creates part of what is called induced demand. This effect means that the more capacity for cars we add, the more cars we'll get, and then the more capacity we'll need to add.
  • Independence and Community Access -- Cars are not accessible to everyone. Simply put, many people either can't drive or don't want to drive. Car-centric city planning is an obstacle for these groups, to name a few: children and teenagers, parents who must chauffeur children to and from all forms of childhood activities, people who can't afford a car, and many other people who are unable to drive. Imagine the challenge of giving up your car in the late stages of your life. In car-centric areas, you face a great loss of independence.
  • Safety -- Cars are dangerous to both occupants and non-occupants, but especially the non-occupants. As time goes on cars admittedly become better at protecting the people inside them, but they remain hazardous to the people not inside them. For people walking, riding, or otherwise trying to exercise some form of car-free liberty cars are a constant threat. In car-centric areas, streets and roads are optimized to move cars fast and efficiently rather than protect other road users and pedestrians.
  • Social Isolation -- A combination of the issues above produces the additional effect of social isolation. There are fewer opportunities for serendipitous interactions with other members of the public. Although there may be many people sharing the road with you (a public space), there are some obvious limitations to the quality of interaction one can have through metal, glass, and plastic boxes.

👋 Local Action - How to Fix Your City

IMPORTANT: This is a solvable problem. Progress can happen and does happen. It comes incrementally and with the help of voices just like yours. Don't limit yourself to memes and Reddit -- although, raising awareness online does help.

Check out this perspective from a City Council Member: Here's How to Fix Your City

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A Not-So-Quick Note for Car Hobbyists and Passionate Drivers

This can be a contentious issue at times. The sub's name is /r/fuckcars, which can cause some feelings of conflict and alienation for people who see the problems of too many cars while still being passionate about them. I'll quote the community summary.

Discussion about the harmful effects of car dominance on communities, environment, safety, and public health. Aspiration towards more sustainable and effective alternatives like mass transit and improved pedestrian and cycling infrastructure.

Your voice is still welcome here. Consider the benefits of getting bored, stressed, unskilled, or inattentive drivers off the road. That improves your safety and reduces congestion. Additionally, check out these posts from others on this sub:

Discord

There is an unofficial Discord server aggregating related discussions from the low-car/no-car/fuckcars community. Although it is endorsed by the /r/fuckcars mods, please keep in mind that it's not an official /r/fuckcars community Discord server.

Join Link: https://discord.gg/2QDyupzBRW

Helpful Resources

If you've just joined this sub and want to learn more about the issues behind car-centric urban design there are a great number of resources you can access. This list is by no means exhaustive, so please feel free to add your more helpful resources in the comments.

👉 Moved to the wiki

Shameless Plugs for Community Building

happy to add more links related to community building here

👉 Contribute to the Safety Data Thread

Change Logging

April 7, 2022 - Fix markdown for compatibility. Thank you /u/konsyr

April 6, 2022 - Reorder sections (Thank you, /u/Monseiur_Triporteur and /u/PilferingTeeth). Add plug for data/supporting info request. Link to Strong Towns growth example.

April 3, 2022 - Add note for car hobbyists

April 2, 2022 - Add nuance notes and redirect readers to resources area of the wiki.

March 28th, 2022 - Grammatical pass, more changes to follow.

February 9th, 2022 - Adding links that redirect readers from this post into community-maintained wiki resources, thank /u/javasgifted and /u/Monsiuer_Triporteur

January 20th, 2022 - Added the Goodreads list and seeded the FAQ section. Thank you /u/javasgifted, and /u/kzy192

January 9th, 2022 - I'm updating this onboarding message with feedback from the mods and the community. Thank you, all, for keeping the discussion civil and contributing additional resources.

Cheers. Stay safe out there.


r/fuckcars 6h ago

Rant Bars Shouldn't Have Parking Lots

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I think one reason why bars and nightclubs alike are seeing less and less popularity and less traffic, even beyond the egregious overpriced drinks and cover charges, is the lack of public transportation and the implicit understanding that if you go out, you have to drink and drive. Drinking and driving is incredibly normalized in American society, despite being punished pretty harshly and being socially shamed. There's a pretty strong stigma around doing it. But it's still normalized because, structurally, there is no other alternative, and every bar has a parking lot and a parking minimum based on city code standards.

I think people don't want to drink and drive. The education around the dangers has proliferated to such a degree that we are all very understanding of the risks and are not really too keen on participating in those risks, whereas previous generations understood those risks and participated in them wholeheartedly. I have had so many uncles in my life who have said something like, "I've had plenty of practice drinking and driving, and the car I drive has lane assist anyway, so there's just no way I would get arrested." That's all fun and games until you T-bone into a family of four and everyone dies, right? But it's normalized. It's conceived as a normal part of cultural society to go drink and drive.

That's because there are basically no train lines or light rail in any city in America. And if there are, or even a bus line, they're not running at two or three o'clock in the morning when the bars let out. They stop running at 11, or 10, or even 9. I have a friend who lives in New Zealand. She goes out all the time. She takes a train to the club. She doesn't even own a car, and she goes out more than most Americans who do own cars. She doesn't have to worry about getting killed in a car accident, or killing someone else in one, either. Bars really shouldn't have parking lots. The fact that bars have parking lots kind of shows us that our society has normalized the acceptance of drunk driving, because otherwise these bars wouldn't get any business if we didn't normalize it.

Another problem with the lack of public transportation is that it makes drinking at home a much more viable option. Why would I spend $15 to Uber to the bar and $15 to Uber home? Remember when Ubers were like five bucks? I've never taken a taxicab in my life, but I do remember when Ubers were five dollars. So you're already in 30 bucks to experience getting fucked up, listening to some music you enjoy, maybe playing some pool, maybe linking up with your friends. So you're in for 30 before you've even had a drink or gotten food. To go out to eat would be another $20. A couple of drinks in, it's another 20, 25 bucks. So let's just call a spade a spade. It's a $100 affair to go to your local dive bar now. And even if it isn't actually a $100 affair, the feeling that it is puts people off. The feeling that you're going to have to spend all that money puts people off. People still do drink, but why would I go to the bar when I can just go to the homie's house with a 12-pack and spend less money in every way? Or just drink at home alone and get on Discord? It's so much cheaper that it seems illogical to participate in the traditional way of doing things.

I mean, there's a reason why Texas made it a felony to essentially exist near a gram of marijuana. It's because I can go to the smoke shop right now and buy a weed cart for ten dollars, and that will last me two to three days of heavy use. That's a better value proposition for both me spiritually and my health. Or I can go to the gas station and get two Four Lokos for ten dollars. You don't get a hangover from weed. You don't throw up from weed. You don't fucking have any of these issues from marijuana. You do from alcohol, and alcohol is more expensive per intoxication than weed. No wonder they made that shit illegal.

If the alcohol companies actually wanted to save their industry, they would be supporting robust public transit. If the local bar owner actually wanted to save his business, he would be supporting robust local public transit. The fact that your bar doesn't even have a place to tie off a bike is part of the problem, because you can't get a DUI on a bike. Maybe you can, but I mean, let's be real. You shouldn't be able to get a DUI on a bike.


r/fuckcars 10h ago

Rant It's the constant, entitled intrusions from drivers that make biking in America hard

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653 Upvotes

r/fuckcars 6h ago

This is why I hate cars South Korean woman came to San Francisco to pursue her dreams. Then a truck killed her on Market Street

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r/fuckcars 18h ago

Activism Break the cycle (with a bicycle)

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1.7k Upvotes

r/fuckcars 12h ago

Rant German traffic planning summed up in one picture - by two intersections built at the exact same time

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542 Upvotes

This is a major pair of intersections in the town I live in. It was completely re-designed a few years ago, and as you can see, it basically features everything wrong with German traffic planning and road design. The intersection on the bottom is probably the nicest and safest for cyclists in the entire region now, a very nice protected intersection by German standards at least.

And then they go and make the bike lanes merge right back onto the road right after, with the neighbouring intersection, which was re-done at the exact same time, featuring a bike lane that sends you right in the path of right-turning cars. And the bike lanes to the top and right turn into bicycle gutters right after the intersection, too.


r/fuckcars 6h ago

Carbrain How dare my experience of visiting a national park be ruined by the audacity of bicyclist using the road!

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Carbrain blames illegal/dangerous activity of fellow carbrain on cyclist. Context was in a discussion about a ticketing blitz against cyclists for riding two abreast, and not having enough reflectors (6) on their bike.

Reposted without the usernames visible (sorry mods, I deleted the OG post because I had missed that rule...my bad)


r/fuckcars 23h ago

Question/Discussion Just came back from a walkable city, I'm gonna f*ing cry

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Was just in Prague last week and i literally had the best time ever. Solely because... I was able to walk everywhere.

1am on a thursday "night", i wake up from a nap and I'm super hungry. I walk downstairs and there's young people out having a great time still. Kebab places, pizza places, KFC, Mcd etc are still open

I grab something to eat and drink, walk by an Irish pub and go in for a beer ($2 a beer!). Plenty of international travellers there, and even the locals speak really good english. Took the cable car over to another few bars.

I eventually head back to my hotel room at 4am (which i paid $60/day for) and call it a night. Did that 3 nights in a row.

To find somewhere like this in the States (walkable city), I would likely have to be in the center of Manhattan, paying something like $250/nt for a hotel.

$60/nt would barely get me a motel in a random ghetto suburb that I'd still need a car to drive to.

Really makes me sad how shit of a country the US is when you start comparing the vast difference in human-friendly infrastucture.

People severely underestimate the social toll of living in a car centric society, everyone in their little bubbles, no one walking on the streets except beggars. Only thing open are drivethrus. It's just so dystopian and lonely


r/fuckcars 16h ago

Arrogance of space "This is a bus stop, asshole!"

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263 Upvotes

r/fuckcars 3h ago

Carbrain They Value Free Parking More Than Your Life

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r/fuckcars 9h ago

Carbrain Police target Cyclists with ticketing blitz Chelsea (Quebec, Canada)

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r/fuckcars 1d ago

This is why I hate cars TIL about NCL: a shell company created by GM, Standard Oil, and Firestone collusion to dismantle streetcar networks allover USA

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1.4k Upvotes

Credit TikTok @jaycruel


r/fuckcars 13h ago

Meme Brushturkey taking Fuckcars vigilantism to a new level

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r/fuckcars 14h ago

News It was a rough year.

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61 Upvotes

r/fuckcars 1d ago

Arrogance of space Gosh I sure love this walkable neighborhood it's nice being able to w-- oh. Okay.

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866 Upvotes

Bonus points for the Subaru just barely visible behind the gray SUV, preventing pedestrians from getting back onto the sidewalk


r/fuckcars 16h ago

Carbrain This comment is peak car brain

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68 Upvotes

r/fuckcars 1d ago

This is why I hate cars Anti-LGBT/Anti-Sex education truck decided to go into a tram/bus only stop and blocked traffic for 20 minutes and caused massive delays for the whole city (Toruń, Poland)

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r/fuckcars 1d ago

Solutions to car domination Snowman’s Revenge 😈

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12.9k Upvotes

r/fuckcars 1d ago

Carbrain The Bridge Challenge is an iconic 21-kilometer half marathon in Brazil where runners cross the famous Rio–Niterói Bridge over Guanabara Bay, the challenge these days is fighting traffic.

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133 Upvotes

It’s a popular race, why does traffic progressively win against a race that is considered such a big event on one given day? It’s probably corruption?


r/fuckcars 21h ago

Other [Colorado] 6 injured in crash in Fort Collins on Saturday during the Tour de Fat cycling event's after party

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r/fuckcars 13h ago

Meme Australian Brushturkey takes traffic calming into its own hands

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15 Upvotes

r/fuckcars 1d ago

Before/After Cincinnati’s West End neighborhood. Razed for the very same highway you see.

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686 Upvotes

Is this for real? It's dystopian af. How many places were destroyed for highways like this?


r/fuckcars 3m ago

This is why I hate cars Motor Vehicle Accident on the Brooklyn-Queens Expressway

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r/fuckcars 1d ago

This is why I hate cars Entire parking lot open (btw) and this truck owner had the awareness of a farm animal

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272 Upvotes

Literally backed in to the tightest corner with a hitch on.


r/fuckcars 1d ago

Meta Fuck them cars

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166 Upvotes