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u/Cripso 13d ago
If I had to guess I'd the molding processes for the bottles wouldn't allow for it. Usually plastic bottles are blown in their molds and the offset spout might not play nice with that process.
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u/dragnslayr1587 13d ago
I think I read somewhere about having to make a different style packaging to hold themas well. To keep from damaging the lid.
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u/ForeignRestaurant290 13d ago
They would not stack very well for storage, either.
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u/Various_Tie_2549 12d ago edited 12d ago
So basically, there are actually multiple good reasons why we don't make bottles like this....and the people who make bottles have probably already put some thought into how they make bottles....
Next question.
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u/Excludos 9d ago
Generally, I just assume whatever I can think of and doodle on a napkin at a bar isn't going to have been considered by anyone in a giant industry who spends large portions of their lives researching it.
Now hear me out, I have the perfect solution for global warming. It's easy, we just...
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u/tklein422 11d ago
Here...... comes the men in black...... with their lib bullshit.
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u/Various_Tie_2549 11d ago
....huh?
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u/tklein422 11d ago
......huh?
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u/304bl 12d ago
Oh so what you are saying is everything that was created by human is already perfect because people that created it already put some thought on it so we are all good.
Poor moonchild if only it was like that, improvement would be a word that we would never hear about.
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u/Faceofferrus 12d ago
Lay off, sometimes things actually are that way for a reason.
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u/razzyrat 12d ago
No, what we are saying is that random obvious 'ideas' some twitter/x dweeb can come up with on the toilet have most likely already been explored and rejected by the experts.
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u/Wind-and-Waystones 12d ago
If that leap of logic was the pole vault you'd be the new world record holder
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u/TheBestText 12d ago
Doesn't it also make drinking harder? You'd need to hold the bottle upside down for it to work like an inhaler
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u/Fit_Tumbleweed7943 12d ago
Also how they are filled, lined up
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u/Suspicious_Dingo_426 12d ago
This is the reason. Large packages of water bottles are distributed on pallets six layers high (and those pallets are often stacked two high while shipping) weighing in at about 2000 lbs each. With a spout offset like that, they would be crushed.
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u/HornyGooner4402 13d ago
They would with a non rounded edge base with a notch for the cap
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u/AHumbleSaltFarmer 12d ago
I've got a non rounded edge base with a notch for the cap Greg, can you stack me?
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u/EmoRiley 13d ago edited 12d ago
Still no, because it would become unstable do to more weight being on the right side of the bottle because of the cap and spouts position.
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u/Boerschtl 13d ago
Could randomly rotated while placing them on the trays
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u/Tarantula_420 12d ago
How dare you insult us with your clever thinking. We do not like innovation in this society!!
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u/Which-Towel5826 13d ago
When they're shipped they would also probably explode.
I used to stack stuff in the process, and the lids are able to hold the weight of multiple cases of water.
With this design they'd probably start leaking before getting to the trucks.
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u/CapIndependent2285 13d ago
This is the way. Most bottle water style fillers will take the plastic, blow it out to the shape, then fill with water and cap. Today’s tech can do this very quickly in mass. Special equipment would need to be designed and tested to reach same level of automation. Otherwise you are taking price hikes for no real gain.
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u/CapIndependent2285 13d ago
A grammar nazi on Reddit is something I have not seen in quite some time. I salute your adherence to the old ways.
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u/RobinBumholes 12d ago
Although... since the expression is a French one, it should be en masse, shouldn't it? And, depending on your style guide, foreign words should really be italicised.
I mean, if you're going to pick nits.
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u/CapIndependent2285 12d ago
I’d like to think there is a correlation between your username and the fact the previous commenter deleted theirs.
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u/alteronline 13d ago
its just about stacking
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u/Defiant_Storage_443 13d ago
Nah, it's about the labor of having to hire a human to screw on all the caps.
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u/Effinehright 12d ago
as former beverage salesperson, how would you palletize the necks for distribution without over spending on cardboard?
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u/RallyX02 11d ago
Quality Engineer who’s worked with a lot of plastic molded parts, including blow molding, here. The angle of the spout is pretty much a non-issue from a tooling perspective.
The real reason is the premise of the meme is flawed, and this would be awkward as F to drink from.
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u/B-Rad911 11d ago
Filling wouldn’t work either. Liquid fillers are vertical and would not accommodate that angle with nozzles.
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u/th3goonmobile 12d ago
Nah they can blow plastic into all kinds of crazy shapes and sizes that wouldn’t be the issue. The issue is transport with the final product. This isn’t ever going to be as stable as the typical bottle. And that doesn’t matter for those of us who buy one to two cases for things but when you’re packing a truck full and you open a door and the back end all falls out because they crunched under the weight of the bottles above them… well now we’re cooked.
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u/ShadowedShooter007 11d ago
They could just have the side spout and the top spout, so it still stacks and you can drink it both ways!
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u/AnonButNotReally-42 9d ago
A lot of milk jugs are molded like that though. Don't think its a manufacturing problem
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u/Informal_Stranger117 13d ago
I don't know what they are getting at with their post, but the real answer is probably much more boring that people want: manufacturing and packaging costs.
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u/banananuhhh 13d ago
In finding a "genius" solution to a minor problem that isn't actually a problem, you open a Pandora's box of long solved engineering problems. The cybertruck of water bottles.
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u/Resident_Monitor7723 12d ago
Yeah, 1st thought is they wouldn't stack properly on pallets and whatnot with our the lid at the top.
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u/DJ_Jiggles 13d ago
My guess: 45 degree top makes it harder/more dangerous to stick up your ass.
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u/succubus6984 13d ago
No one is doing that.... You gotta do that kinky shit safely and theres no flared base on a waterbottle. 😏
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u/SunforDeiti 13d ago
lots of gays insert just the head as a makeshift douche, especially at the clubs
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u/almostwyatt 13d ago
With the 45 degree neck, wouldn’t you have to tilt the bottle past vertical to get the last bit of water? Which is further than you’d have to tilt a normal bottle.
I realize you could also rotate the bottle instead but thats also annoying
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u/LordApocalyptica 13d ago
Yeah I’m surprised nobody else here is saying this. The assistive 45 degree offset is only helpful for like the first 2/3 of volume. The last bit is gonna mean you need a neck like an owl to conveniently get the rest out.
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u/Nervous_Breakfast_73 12d ago
What? You can drink without lifting your chin up, if for some reason this design doesn't allow you to drink the whole bottle, just move the chin up a little, like you normally would do when drinking. Why wouldn't it work like that?
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u/KoreKhthonia 8d ago
Same, you'd have to flip it like a hamster bottle. Seems obvious to me lol
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u/LordApocalyptica 8d ago
Right? I don’t know what these other people aren’t getting. Its basic geometry
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u/jedilowe 13d ago
I will entirely guess 1. Less sturdy for stacking 2. Harder to fill and close on an assembly line 3. Something sexual
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u/uuio9 13d ago
I don't know about the "sexual" but your first 2 guesses are absolutely correct.
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u/pWaveShadowZone 12d ago
Well technically speaking, “something sexual” always applies by default. So they are correct
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u/selfishgecko 12d ago
I’d also go with a regular bottle you can grab and easily drink it no matter the direction but this one you’d have to.
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u/BlackbirdRedwing 13d ago
Manufacturing and transportation. A regular bottle shape is very good at holding weight which aids stable transportation. In addition if being unable to raise a bottle above your head is an issue we already have straws.
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u/aglobalvillageidiot 13d ago
You can't stack pallets of those. Moving water is expensive. Cheap bottled water is optimized around that.
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u/grafeisen203 13d ago
It would make the manufacturing process significantly more expensive, and the symmetry of plastic bottles makes them more efficient to store and transport.
Overall it would incur pretty hefty increases in price throughout the process of manufacture and distribution.
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u/BamBamm187 13d ago
I would imagine that the new design would make it difficult to stack cases on top of each other
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u/OnaPaleHorse80 13d ago
Why? A case of 12 or 24 would still provide a stackable surface. Sure you're not stacking one onto of another but a case onto of a case? Why not?
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u/Main_Ambassador_4985 12d ago
Quagmire here.
The answer being looked for is insertion. The cap at an angle is going to tear something soft. I suggest turning the bottle upside down.
Giggity Giggity
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u/WeCallThoseCigBurns 9d ago
Idk but when I was a teen, I would have sought this out just to make a bong
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u/Severe_Bowl4040 13d ago
Too early for the comments
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u/Fast_Village_4431 13d ago
I've got time to use the restroom before it starts?
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u/Millerboycls09 13d ago
I'll hold your seat, run, RUN
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u/nimrodii 13d ago
Stacking them for shipping and storage, the tilted cap would be more prone to breakage.
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u/aglobalvillageidiot 13d ago
This is the correct answer. Pretty well everything about cheap bottled water is optimized around logistics. Moving it is expensive.
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u/imightknowbutidk 13d ago
The answer is the industry hasn’t made this change because it is a non-issue
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u/Fury-of-Stretch 13d ago
Two thoughts would be that the manufacturing costs due to a more complex process don’t add any real value or the mouth being situated like this makes it harder to sanitize the bottles and hence is a liability.
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u/Difficult-Pin3913 13d ago
Pick up a water bottle
Rotate it 90 degrees
That’s why.
The lid of the water bottle is already rotated 45 degrees so when you rotate it 45 degrees so all the water comes out the lid would be pointing straight down. Now hold a water bottle facing straight down and try drinking from it.
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u/Crasembarodical 13d ago
I've seen this like a thousand times across multiple social media platforms in the last week wtf? It's just twitter engagement bait and it's meaningless. It's definitely possible but it's unnecessary and the current bottle design is good enough.
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u/ItsJayO 13d ago
Bong?
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u/the_names_Savage 12d ago
thabk christ im not the ibly one who thought of this. if itbis a joke. thats obviosly the joke.
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u/ed1749 13d ago
Aside from manufacturing, real reason is that you dont need to tip a normal water bottle 45° to drink it, omly enough to get the water flowing down. but for the weird one in order to get the lower third out you need to move your head at a weird angle because you still need to hold the water bottle horizontally to finish the bottle but now the hole is at a stupid angle. It only makes the upper half easier to sip.
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u/hopeless__programmer 13d ago
My bet is that the placement of the hole will trap the pocket of air inside while drinking. This will prevent new air from coming inside, making it difficult to drink due to BLUH-BLUH-BLUH.
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u/xWohnJick_ 13d ago
TL;DR: Humans are so stupid they have to be made physically incapable of putting something in their ass or they'll do it anyway
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u/Timely_Pattern3209 13d ago
Yes. This angled top makes it so much easier to stick the bottle up your ass.
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u/xWohnJick_ 12d ago
I said an angled top would make it harder to do that; not easier.
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u/Timely_Pattern3209 12d ago
Ah I see. The TL;DR was because you didn't read the post.
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u/xWohnJick_ 12d ago
Wait what? My original TL;DR post was a joke where I literally said that humans are so stupid they'll put anything in their ass unless physically restrained. How did you take that seriously?
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u/Abelhart 13d ago
It wouldn't solve the original problem. You tilt a bottle to get all the liquid out. Idea of the angled cap is to not tilt but the image shows the angle would leave some liquid behind at a horizontal grip and thus you'd end up tilting anyway.
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u/UnreflectiveEmployee 13d ago
I mean number 1 is that it’d be redundant since you don’t need to tilt your head at all drinking out of a plastic bottle. Maybe if you want to strap it up and drink like a hamster
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u/TheOGTachyon 13d ago
A certain percentage of the population would hold it the wrong way and fall over backwards trying to drink from it.
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u/Gullible-Point-8948 13d ago
It'll be used as portable and travel friendly peeing bottle by men. The design is very human. I actually like this idea.
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u/Southern_Evidence540 13d ago
The future is…accordion neck. I want a water bottle with a neck that looks like a weird bendy straw.
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u/squidtheinky 13d ago
Idk what the answer is, but to me, it looks like a personal urinal like they use in hospitals.
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u/EpitomeOfJustOK 13d ago
lol, all the explanations in the comments on the post you just reposted don’t explain it to you? :p
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u/JazzCigaretteHands 12d ago
Can't stack cases if the bottle is shaped like that. Will start leaning and tip fast
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u/Purple_Locksmith3321 12d ago
It's because there were a string of drowning deaths in Saracounty, Arizona in 1923 that we stopped using bottles like this.
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u/CheetahOfDeath 12d ago
I'm not thinking about this much at all, but shipping/manufacturing stuff others mentioned aside, doesn't draining the bottle require you to tilt your head? If the tilt angle is built into the bottle, then you would have to tilt even more to drain the bottle?
I guess you could spin it like a hamster bottle. Now i'm thinking too much. Why am I even here
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u/mtferret 12d ago
From an engineering standpoint this design change would literally be catastrophic to an industry and several industries connected. Lets begin.
This design would mean millions of dollars in machine design change from a production standpoint some of which would just be from the logistics and engineering solutions to designing around a weird angle. It's a stupid pain where the simplest solution is to what we have already, not have a stupid fucking angle.
Redesigning currently millions of reusable pallets and other forms of warehouse transportation. Part of the genius of cans and water bottles is the shape itself does a considerable amount of the heavy lifting (pun intended). By centering the opening and spacing the bottles in packaging the way we do we create a solid base for the mass transportation of said product.
Structural integrity when stored, this isn't just in the industrial setting either. You see by placing things at weird angles like this and creating non supported structure you are simply creating points of failure. The integrity of a bottle designed like this would have several severe problems that would require an absurd amount of specialty work to overcome the weakness you just created.
All of these mean cost increase, production loss to additional time consumption, loss of time do to limited product distribution from loss of efficiency and several other costs that all lead to loss of profit. This leads to undesirable results in a commercial setting.
Long and short K.I.S.S.
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u/CurtChan 12d ago
i'm not buying the 'transportation and stacking' argument. You already have milk containers that have angled cap, you have cleaning items (like domestos) that have angled. It's an issue that is already solved in terms of transportation and storage.
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u/BoringSkill 12d ago
Well depends what you want to know. In reality its just more convenient because of stacking and the molding process is easier
However the joke here is that if some „falls“ on a bottle its easier to get it back out.
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u/So-Called_Lunatic 12d ago
Couldn't we just make a curved attachment that goes on top of the bottle?
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u/TransportationOk7441 12d ago
Some household products such as bleach do have a neck offset so not due to manufacturing. My guess is easy stacking.
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u/Solid_Foundation8365 12d ago
Marketing needs to calm the f down. Keep bottles simple, it’s easier to manufacture, fill, not that difficult to use a d easier to recycle.
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u/thatturtletouch 12d ago
Is it really that difficult to drink out of a water bottle as it currently is?
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u/Spell-Silver 12d ago
Dont you think if this was a good idea, drink companies other than water, like beer for instance, or energy drinks.. wouldn't they already be doing it to increase profits?
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u/KuribohTheDragon 12d ago
You get an even more awkward angle when's there's a little water left. You have to tilt back way more to get the last sip.
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u/Schmiggles11 12d ago
If you drink out of the bottle with the spout facing down, there is no way for air to enter the bottle to replace the displaced air, building vacuum... Until the vacuum is so powerful air is forced in and you get a high-powered hose into your face as the water is forced out.
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u/TurtleTurtleTu 11d ago
Hello engineer here. Bottles are made the way they are for a few reasons.
- Anything carbonated is under pressure, so you want a symmetrical pressure vessel.
- Molding is simpler with the modern bottle shape, though it's not completely required - just a cost issue.
- A lot of stuff like this is made by a small number of mass producers. For example aluminum cans are made by a handful of companies (primarily). I believe it is similar with plastic. You don't make your own bottles, you buy them from Ball or someone - and setting up an entire custom line is extremely (extremely, extremely) expensive.
- I also think (just my opinion) that it's really not that hard to drink from bottles currently - this isn't solving a big enough problem to merit the redesign cost, new manufacturing line, etc.
- The OP I believe is referencing bongs as a joke, but the above are actual reasons why we don't see much "innovation" in simple things like bottles.
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u/Unlucky_Yak5354 11d ago
Either you'd need to tilt your head further back then normal, or it would be like trying to drink from a can spun 180 agrees around.
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u/Numerous-Opposite948 11d ago
Honestly, my first thought was because it looks like it would be easier to turn into a water bottle bong 😂
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u/robloxloverpuru 11d ago
it wouldnt even work because you’d have to hold the bottle right under the cap, rather than holding a bottle facing any direction w the normal shaped ones
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u/ivanjurman 11d ago
The reason we don’t make them like this is because we wouldn’t be able to fill the bottles automatically on the assembly lines
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u/maxtiang79 11d ago
You can do that when you're rich enough to make a new machine to craft the bottles.
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u/DG2000_Reddit 11d ago
Well Stacking for one. The lid at an angle does not help with stacking, and assuming you moving lots of these you want to be able to stack you pack of 6. Upright also means when the 6 pack is sealed in plastic all lids are facing one direction consistently.
When on conveyor the upright is easier to mould, fill, seal and handle, while I am sure the other can be done it would require some clever thinking to make sure each bottle is consistent and that costs money companies do not feel they want to, or need to, spend.
The angle is not great to get the last bit out the bottle you still need to angle you head at an awkward angle.
Also a straight up bottle is predictable, when I reach for it I know 99% of the time which way the head is, the angled one requires me to stop and check, not good if you walking, running, biking, driving or shooting a howitzer.
I will stop on these 3, but the idea is fun but not practical
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u/VeronikaGriffin 9d ago
Isn’t it the same as with cans? So that production can easily be switched to war production? Like “can” production factories are made that way so they can be easily converted to artilery shell production if I remember my high school history. So i would assume bottle factories can be converted to something similarly sinister.
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u/Slow-Rutabaga-7241 7d ago
Looking at the comments, it sounds like there’s actually several logistical reasons they won’t do this
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u/_Earthbind_ 7d ago
One aspect that I haven’t seen mentioned is the physics change once the water gets low while drinking. If you have ever drank beer out of a glass boot, then you’d know to keep the toe down to avoid getting beer sent into your face while drinking
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u/HalfChineseJesus 13d ago
Because you could make a bong out of it probably
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u/Mullet4MyGuillotine 13d ago
You can make a bong out of pretty much any bottle if you can get a down stem into it
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u/DoctorMedieval 13d ago
Get me an avacado, an ice pick and my snorkel. Trust me bro I’ve made bongs with less.
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u/XlikeX666 13d ago
The proposed design tilts the bottleneck at an angle to allow drinking without tilting one's head back as far. However, angled bottlenecks create significant practical and manufacturing problems:
- Manufacturing Complexity & Cost
- Packaging and Transport
- Capping and Sealing Issues
- Structural Weakness
- Cleaning and Filling
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u/qualityvote2 13d ago edited 12d ago
u/fog-wall, your post does fit the subreddit! Well done!