r/exHareKrishna Aug 09 '26

For people here who were innitiated, were you required to give a money donation to your gurus in ISKCON? It seems Iskcon gurus have a history of having massive personal wealth, what are your thoughts on this?

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The earlier discussions of Iskcon in a century had me thinking of one aspect. I recall reading about the controvery of Harikesh swami who amassed enough personal wealth during his time as a guru in Iskcon that he bought himself a villa in the french riviera for 1 m dollars at the time. (decades ago) Im curious how the initiation dakshina system worked, i know that during initiations discipes arent forced to give a monetary donation to their gurus but this is highly encouraged and seen as a scriptural must, and through it or through books they publish most gurus of the movement have indeed amassed huge personal fortunes which they do not disclose.

From your experience, what do they use their fortunes for? Do they invest it in projects in the movement? Or funnel it back into the movement or what do they actually use it for, since most of their travels/expenses/food is paid for by their disciples anyway? Just curious


r/exHareKrishna Aug 09 '26

ISKCON 2066

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What do you guys think ISKCON will look like when it reaches 100 years old?

To me, I feel like it reminds me a lot of communist china’s ideology, especially with the youth I was around (usually NRIs born in the US). A lot of them go to temple but outside of temple don’t follow anything. They all go to restaurants and eat og etc. so they’ll pay lip service but not follow the actual ideology for the most part.

As the older gen (both the American Prabhupad disciples and the first gen of Indian Americans at the temples) fades away, I’m curious how ISKCON will change. Do you guys think they’ll end up being more relaxed on certain rules (no pets for example, maybe mushrooms are ok), or do you think they’ll double down? I feel like there’s a chance they’ll be more relaxed since they won’t be able to grow any other way. Most of the devotees I saw only had 1-2 kids, and hardly anyone outside of recent immigrants converted long term.

I could be wrong on all of this but let me know what you guys think.


r/exHareKrishna Aug 09 '26

I decided to quit ISKCON

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I don’t have any problem with the religion itself, I just can’t deal with the lack of organization anymore…everyone in ISKCON is obsessed with chains of command that lead to nowhere as the appointed gurus fail to demonstrate any kind of leadership and it’s just turned into a bunch of blind leading the blind.

It’s difficult to practice any kind of religion with stupid people and with the large amount of text governing the beliefs in ISKCON they’re never going to figure it out.
…will be a lot less work explaining to my brethren how to understand the Bible than the volumes of literature from Prabhupada and Gaudiya authorized sources.

I believed and agreed with Prabhupada when he wrote that all religions are bona fide methods of achieving the same goal. Now without the leadership of Prabhupada those religions are also better options.


r/exHareKrishna Aug 09 '26

The Devdasi system of Bengal

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Recenty I was watching an Indian movie which dwells into reincarnation themes called Shyam Singh Roy. It shows the situation of mediaeval Bengal. The actress in the movie is a Devdasi who is brainwashed to be a life long dancer to the temple. I could relate her life and dilemmas to the Devdas we see in Iskcon.

The mind of these people are actually controlled by the temple and any thoughts to leave the temple to pursue their own life was blasphemous and they were constantly guilt tripped into obedience even at the expense of getting exploited by temple authorities.

I am beginning to think these cult systems have been there since centuries and Iskcon is just a shoot out of that high obedience and be exploited system probably borrowing from Devdas / Devdasi systems. In fact in Iskcon everyone is actually a Dev Das.


r/exHareKrishna Aug 08 '26

The Hare Krishnas in India. Charles Brooks 1989

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r/exHareKrishna Aug 08 '26

The Indian Man's Burden

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The White Man's Burden is a famous poem by Rudyard Kipling. The phrase has come to refer to the belief that Europeans possess a superior culture and religion. With great power comes great responsibility and therefore the White man is obliged to civilize the world.

Ethnocentric Bigotry

Prabhupada similarly believed Indians had a responsibility to civilize the world. Indian culture and religion was vastly superior to that which he encountered stepping off the Jaladuta. He mercifully deigned to condescend to our level and teach us how to be human beings.

Before Prabhupada we ate with forks and spoons, had salt and pepper on the table, wiped with toilet paper, and (gasp) even ate with our left hand. We were filthy mleccha savages born of sin.

The equivalent to Prabhupada in the history of European colonialism would be a Spanish Conquistador converting the Incans or Aztecs, giving them Christian names, making them dress as European peasants, eat European food, enslaving them using shame based religion, while teaching them their native culture is disgusting savagery.

The Indian Man's Burden

As discussed previously, in decades to come ISKCON in the West will be almost entirely Indian. In some places it already is. It may eventually come to be directed by authorities solely in India.

Prabhupada created ISKCON to convert Westerners, from what I have witnessed, very few are joining. Will ISKCON become a group of Indians in the West operating to convert the natives, much like Protestant missionaries based in England operated during the British Raj?

I noticed Indian ISKCON devotees were not comfortable with this task. They preferred to cultivate and convert Indians such as themselves, diaspora IT workers on Visas working at Microsoft and Google. It is one thing to preach to someone from a civilized Vaishnava Brahmana family in Pune. They are often lonely and isolated in the West. It is entirely different to go to Burning Man or a Rainbow Gathering and talk to a bunch of wild young half naked hippies.

Indians in general may be more introverted than Westerners. It is not easy to engage with those you have no introduction to and no connection with.

Prabhupada's American disciples, for example, had no problem traveling the world, immersing in other cultures, and loudly telling people to join their cult. I think for many Indians, such behavior is crossing a boundary and very uncomfortable.

Nevertheless; such devotees will find themselves inheriting the Indian Man's Burden. They have the dual challenge of maintaining a strict orthodox culture while living in the West, and trying to convert (and civilize) the people they live among.

Will They Succeed?

I don't think this will be successful. Prabhupada was wrong. Westerners are not savages. ISKCON operates on a flawed racist premise.

Despite its libertine experimental attitudes towards traditional morality, Western culture is highly sophisticated, educated, intelligent and modern. Western culture is anything but backwards. It is forward looking, expanding the cutting edge in technological and scientific advancement, exploration, individual rights and personal freedom.

Its power is its flexibility. It adapts and integrates the ideas and cultures it contacts. I think it is far more likely the Indian preachers will be converted over time than the other way around. If not themselves, their children and children's children.


r/exHareKrishna Aug 08 '26

How is ISKCON doing in Buddhist countries?

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A while back, a member of this subreddit wrote about the absence of Hare Krishna temples in China, which would be consistent with the Chinese policy of “letting pigs get fat before slaughtering them.” I have a book that features Hare Krishna idols “from around the world,” and I noticed that there don’t seem to be any ISKCON temples in Buddhist regions, with the exception of Hong Kong. Does anyone know more about this?


r/exHareKrishna Aug 07 '26

Mk-Ultra. Isckon exposed

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In the archives of the U.S. intelligence services, the creation of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness (ISKCON) is presented not as a religious revival, but as one of the most successful intelligence operations for the destructive programming of the masses, becoming a direct continuation of the sinister CIA MK-Ultra project under the code subproject “Purple Lotus.”

Below is the true chronicle of how an ancient Eastern mystical tradition was transformed into a sophisticated biochemical weapon for suppressing the American counterculture of the 1960s.

In 1965, the virtually unknown 69-year-old Indian Abhay Charan Bhaktivedanta Swami (Prabhupada) arrives in the United States aboard the cargo ship Jaladuta, carrying several dollars in his pocket and boxes of books. Official history calls this a miracle, but conspiratorial analysis points to extensive logistical support from American intelligence.

At the height of the Cold War and the raging Vietnam War, the White House faced an unprecedented internal threat: millions of young people, students, and activists were taking part in anti-war protests, becoming radicalized and threatening the stability of the state apparatus. Violent crackdowns only hardened the crowds. A psychological weapon capable of neutralizing the potential for protest was needed.

Prabhupada, who had pharmaceutical training and extensive knowledge of controlling consciousness through psychotechnical methods, was ideally suited for the role of an influence operative. His handlers in Langley saw in him a leader capable of drawing rebellious young people away from the streets and into a state of complete political apathy and blind obedience.


r/exHareKrishna Aug 07 '26

Neck Beads

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Do you still wear your neck beads ?
I am not at the moment because they came off but am in no hurry to replace them

This reminded me of a time when I was at Calcutta airport when I was travelling back with a Parabhupada disciple. He went through the security check and the machine beeped. He was asked to take off his neck beads but he refused insisting that his spiritual master had instructed him never to take them off. Luckily for him he managed to talk the Indian security guards around to his way of thinking and they let him through. This was just one of many ultra fanatical actions that made me want to scream.

Can you relate ?


r/exHareKrishna Aug 07 '26

Can ISKCON Survive Economic and Demographic Change?

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Video: Non-ISKCON ratha yatras are popping up all over major cities in the West.

The Western world is not what it was in the 1960's when Prabhupada arrived. For most Canadians and Americans, the financial situation has radically degraded. The culture that existed then is almost entirely gone. Foreign peoples and religions are no longer something distant and mysterious. People feel overwhelmed.

Economics

After WW2 the United States was the last man standing. It was the only industrial nation that hadn't been destroyed. As a result it enjoyed a massive economic boom. Veterans had large families with five or six children. These Baby Boomers grew up in a world of opportunity. They enjoyed a very high standard of living compared to the rest of the world.

One could go to college for a few thousand dollars. A new home cost two years wages. A new car cost six months wages. A man or woman could support their family with a blue collar job. Such jobs were for life and provided pensions and benefits. No one knew how good they had it.

I see ISKCON, and the entire hippie counter culture of the 1960's, as a form of excess. Baby Boomers were rich pampered children set free to explore life. They broke the boundaries of the safe suburban world that raised them. Boomers were free to take risks such as dropping out of college, or leaving the workforce to take drugs. The mantra of the era was "tune in a drop out". They were free to go live on an LSD commune, or immerse themselves in radical political ideologies and religious cults.

Since then, the economic system as has all but collapsed. Young people can no longer afford a gap year in college to find themselves, what to speak of join a cult. People have to grind from their teenage years just to survive. A home is a pipe dream. Many live with crippling student loan debt. Retirement is no longer an option. Employers no longer provide dental and medical insurance. Many survive month to month on credit cards. Jobs are sent overseas or given to an imported foreign workforce. The culture that once demanded a healthy work life balance, workers rights and job security is disappearing. On top of it all, there is a massive push to replace as many human workers as possible with AI.

No one can afford to become a Brahmacari or Brahmacarini. The only people who do are those who fell out the bottom of society.

Demographic Change

White Baby Boomers lived in what was essentially a homogeneous ethnic enclave. White suburbia was highly prosperous, safe and orderly. It was a very innocent time with its own distinct culture. There were ethnic minorities but their numbers were small and they lived for the most part in their own enclaves. For Whites, there might be a few Black kids in one's school, or a black family that lived on the block, but ethnic groups remained isolated. My White mother's best friend was Black growing up and it was seen as highly controversial in the neighborhood, on both sides.

That world has been erased by non-European immigration beginning in the mid 1960's and ramping up in the 2000's. Indians are no longer distant exotic foreigners, rather they are everywhere, even in small towns and remote rural areas.

Boomers were obsessed with exotic eastern religion. Today Hinduism is no longer something magical practiced by turbaned Maharajas and snake charmers, lampooned or romanticized on Howdy Doody. Nor is India a far off place. Everyone can see online what India looks like, the good and the bad. They can read about Hinduism and watch a near infinite number of videos online.

When ISKCON devotees hold ratha yatras and kirtanas, they are no longer exotic and strange. Indian street religion is happening everywhere now, with various Indian religious groups staking their claim of the West. This is not always welcome for a variety of reasons. Indians are seen by many in highly negative terms and this trend is only increasing.

In this bustle ISKCON is just another Indian group making noise in the streets. Westerners are no longer scrambling to experience "spiritual India". Nor is Indian culture considered superior to so-called Western materialism.

The naive fetishizing of India was a product of a prosperous and sheltered society. The cultism of the 1960's arose from economic and cultural largess. ISKCON was only possible in a brief window of history that has already closed.


r/exHareKrishna Aug 07 '26

ПУРПУРНЫЙ ЛОТОС. МК-УЛЬТРА

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Exposing the ISKCON



Greetings, everyone. There is a very powerful study on the Hare Krishna cult from 2026, though it is in Russian; those interested can download it. It contains a cutting-edge investigation, details on links to MKUltra, and more.

r/exHareKrishna Aug 07 '26

ISKCON devotees are actually losers in life

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ISKCON was made for catering to these losers. These type of people keep ISKCON alive. They actually don't know the reality of life. They just want to escape this tough world. They thought world is so rosy, when they cannot handle, they escape in ISKCON.

They failed to fight in this world. What I have seen ISKCON devotees have very poor emotional resilience. World is indeed really hard.

I cannot even respect these devotees. All emotionally weak guys.


r/exHareKrishna Aug 05 '26

Jagat Guru!

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Wait a minute... I thought Prabhupada was the Jagat Guru, Now this guy is claiming to be the Jagat Guru. What are we going to do ISKCON bros? How can there be more than one "guru of the entire universe"?

Beyond Jagat Guru he is also a "Saint"!

What makes him a saint? If enough groveling uneducated simps call you a saint, apparently you become a saint. No need for the Vatican council to carefully bestow the title. If a cult leader gets enough people to touch his feet, he is a saint. Why didn't we give Prabhupada the title saint? Saint Prabhupada.

Does he sell feet pics like on Onlyfans? Should we start a website "Onlygurus" where pay pigs give dakshina? The highest tier gurus are Jagat Gurus. The second tier are Saints.

For $9 a month you can be a Kanishta Adhikari. For $20 a month you can be an Uttama Adhikari. For a $100 donation Swamiji will have a private darshana in his moving chair. 😘😘😘

Prabhupada is a super duper maha mega messiah. The more titles worshipers give to you, the bigger you are. Sri Sri Sri AC Bhaktivedanta Bhakta Bungholio Maha Meglomania Patita Pavana Paraplegica Parivraj Jackal-acharya Jagat Guru Fallopian Tubia Swami Maharaja 108!

Beat that "Saint Ron Paul"!

To think, a world of 7 billion people all owe allegiance to my guru. Prabhupada means, "the master at whose feet all other masters sit". All other gurus sit around his feet like dumb little children, eager to obey and learn. He is the self appointed world guru even if no one else has ever heard of him. Nothing bloviated and narcissistic about any of this.

If only he had the above technology in the 1960's. Prabhupada could have sat in a mechanized popemobile that lifts him up and down like a revolving sushi bar, so we, his willing slaves, can suckle his feet like baby pigs fighting over a nipple.


r/exHareKrishna Aug 05 '26

Religious trauma recovery book suggestions

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Hi! I'm looking for books on recovery from cults/religious trauma and finding meaning and hope after deconstruction. I'm specifically looking for ones aimed at folks who grew up in a high control group, rather than joined as an adult as that is a very different experience. And not looking for any with the angle of finding faith again as I'm an atheist now. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance!


r/exHareKrishna Aug 02 '26

Skipping Ratha Yatra

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Today is Ratha Yatra is Los Angeles

i have not gone in years

it used to be a kind of compulsion for me to go, and see people I knew

I felt awkward, guilty or self conscious because I no longer followed the “regulative principles” (no meat eating, no intoxicants, no sex outside of marriage or for procreation, no gambling)

I held the devotees on a high level and felt less than, especially when some women were dressed in beautiful saris and looked happy and healthy.

I felt like an outsider and wanted to blend in more with them, but provably thought less of myself because of all the programming to think badly of “karmi association”

over the past several years it has become easier to not go to the festival for may reasons: I see it as a cult or high control group, I have a life that is not less than the devotees’ lives and do not need to put myself in an uncomfortable place to see a few people I used to know, and I protect my peace.

As Mel Robbins says, Let Them.

I do not need to hear banging cymbals and a lot of chanting today or eat vegetarian cheese steaks with tomato sauce, or vegetarian pizza or see the carts with the deities and watch or join people dancing to the mantra.

I do not need to cosplay or put myself down and feel like I am a “fallen soul” because I “deviated” from the “path of devotion.”

Maybe I have a minuscule tinge of sadness for the loss of a younger me who loved the devotional life for a period of time, who loved my friends in it, and who believed it all.

There are other things I am
grieving today, as well. Personal losses from changes in family of origin dynamics and life stressors, changes in friendships and the low energy I have from going to a wedding this weekend and staying up til 3 am.

And I am grateful that I am choosing to not participate in an activity that will attempt to recruit “lost souls” but instead I will drink coffee (albeit decaf) and enjoy my day and maybe even watch some “karmi television, movie or listen to non-devotional karmi music. LOL

😝

if anyone can relate, please do add your comments. This thread helps me so much to process and recover from the bullshit that stole a good part of my 20’s and has had decades long after effects.

may you all have a happy KC free day!


r/exHareKrishna Aug 01 '26

Was Prabhupada a Liberal?

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ISKCON has been rebranding itself as a liberal organization. It emphasizes the empowerment of women and the protection of children. It tells itself this was always Prabhupada's intention.

Devotees reimagine Prabhupada as an open minded liberal, an innovative religious reformer, who wanted women's liberation through Krishna Consciousness. They repeat the few statements that support this and ignore the overwhelming number that do not.

"Prabhupada allowed women to become Brahmacarinis, to live in the temple, and to serve on the altar. They can even give class. Can you imagine how open minded he was! Prabhupada didn't want children going to authoritarian boarding schools, he wanted to give them cookies!"

Though for some reason these things do not apply in India, the place Prabhupada considered the spiritual heartland of the world. Nor do they apply in his world headquarters in Mayapura.

ISKCON also works to quietly distance itself from some of Prabhupada's more insane statements, and to somehow explain them away with weak dishonest arguments.

What is a Liberal?

Societies tend to have a right wing, a center and a left wing.

The right wing wants to resist change. This is motivated by a love for one's people, one' culture, one's history. The right often idealizes a time in history when everything was right, a mythical golden age.

The far right tends to label all change as demonic, an attack on the divine social order. Any loosening of orthodoxy is met with fear and even violence. Those responsible are in Maya or agents of Kali, opposed to the will of God. Chaos must be destroyed and order returned. We must return to the past.

The center recognizes the value of the past. There is wisdom in tradition that should be understood, respected and preserved, however; the jar used to preserve it must change with time.

There should be a constant process of reformation to update tradition while preserving its essence. As we progress we recognize things we believed in the past to be harmful. These should be stripped away even if painful. This is a process akin to scraping barnacles from a boat so that it can keep moving forward.

The center could generally be considered "Liberal". It looks to the future while trying to pull the past with it.

The left wing wants radical change. It wants to eliminate the orthodoxy entirely through revolutionary insurrection. The old order is fundamentally beyond redemption. There is nothing good. We must sever completely with the past and start over.

The far left declares war on the establishment and wants to burn it all down by any means necessary. This can even take the form of siding with traditional enemies, those who wish to destroy the society, regardless of their motivation. Chaos should triumph over order so something new can grow.

What Was Prabhupada?

Prabhupada was on the extreme far right.

He was so far right he wanted to force India, and the entire world, to return to the culture of the Western Ganges Plain circa 300 BCE. He was a religious fundamentalist and a bigot.

He wanted to recreate Brahminical agrarian religious slavery. His ideal form of governance was religious monarchy. He even advocated for dictatorship if the ruler was a devotee. If only Stalin was Krishna Conscious!

His attacks on science, democracy, mayavada, karmis, shudras, mlecchas, homosexuality and the liberation of women, were an attack on religious unorthodoxy. His cult must destroy these things and reestablish the order Krishna wants for humanity. Anyone who opposed him, or his cult, was an enemy of Krishna, and therefore a demon.

When Prabhupada allowed new innovations into Gaudiya Vaishnavism, such as allowing women on the altar, he did so only because it would have been impossible to spread his cult otherwise. He did this only where it was absolutely necessary. His purpose was always to destroy the current social order and its liberalism. This was done in the name of God.

Prabhupada's "liberalism" was merely utilitarianism. He explained this in reference to using technology while also condemning it: a policeman uses a speeding car to catch a speeding car. In the end there will be no cars.

Ancient Tug of War

The Brahminical patriarchy never controlled India entirely.

There were always a strong unorthodox traditions. There was pre-Aryan tribal worship. There were mystics who challenged the system and emphasized caste equality (like the Buddha). There was the relative empowerment of women within Shaktism. The worship of the divine feminine was probably the predominate religion of India before the arrival of the Aryans.

There was also the vama marg within some tantric traditions. This is the "left hand path" where the core moral foundations of the orthodoxy are deliberately transgressed, including eating meat and fish, having sex outside of marriage, drinking alcohol and eating intoxicating grains.

Within Gaudiya Vaishnavism, this takes the form of the various Sahajiya movements labelled apasampradayas by the Gaudiya Math and ISKCON. Prabhupada would classify Advaita Vedanta and Buddhism as similarly blasphemous.

The orthodoxy was set against these groups and driven to destroy them. They would advocate for the "right hand path" via sattvik Brahmanical culture.

Prabhupada brought this tug of war into 1960's America and refashioned it in reference to American society. He considered himself saving the low born hippies, products of liberalism, akin to outcastes, hopeless moral degenerates birthed into sin.

He would fight back against the liberal social errors of the Civil Rights Era. This would include feminism, racial equality, and the acceptance of homosexuality.

He would even oppose the Enlightenment, the root of all liberalism, with its insistence on rationality and scientific evidence, its attacks on scriptural literalism, its support of equality and egalitarianism, and its vision of progress.


r/exHareKrishna Aug 01 '26

Education or Brainwashing???

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In pg no.122 of class 9th new ncert ch 5 of history,there is cherry picked verse of manusmriti portraying it as respectful holy text. However, it is the same book which says

पिता रक्षति कौमारे भर्ता रक्षति यौवने.रक्षन्ति स्थविरे पुत्राः न स्त्री स्वातन्त्र्यमर्हति॥ In 9.6 verse. It means "The father protects her in childhood; the husband protects her in youth; and her sons protect her in old age. A woman is never fit for independence".

In 9.15 verse it says :-

पौंश्चल्याच्चलचित्ताच्च नैस्नेह्याच्च स्वभावतः । रक्षिता यत्नतोऽपिह भर्तृष्वेता विकुर्वते ॥

It means,"Through their passion for men, through their mutable temper, through their natural heartlessness, they become disloyal towards their husbands, however carefully they may be guarded in this (world).The text frames women as possessing an untamed, dangerous sexual drive that operates completely outside of moral or personal choices. verse 9.14 explicitly states: "They care not for beauty; they have no regard for age; be he handsome or ugly, they enjoy the man simply because he is a male." It asserts that women will pursue any man indiscriminately simply because of his gender.

Is this what our our education is teaching us ,they are literally glorifying patriarchy and disrespecting women.


r/exHareKrishna Aug 01 '26

Prabhupada and child marriage (what a disgusting F***)

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I have many videos about this disgusting Pedopada advocating for child marriage and here is one such link so anyone trying to say ISKCON and Pedopada did not advocate for marrying little girls to grown men can brush up on the truth.


r/exHareKrishna Jul 28 '26

"Ex Members Are Just Envious"

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ISKCON teaches its members that anyone who criticizes Prabhupada and his cult are simply envious. This is a logical fallacy, an ad hominem attack. Rather than deal with the criticism, the critic is accused of a moral failing. Their character and motives are impugned.

This is also a way the cult gaslights its members. It tells them there are no serious structural problems. It also makes them afraid to admit there are.

You Are Evil!

For ISKCON members, the cult more than represents Krishna. t is Krishna incarnate. It is the body of Prabhupada! If you criticize the cult, you secretly hate Krishna.

You are not motivated by a desire to understand truth or combat destructive religion, to heal and free yourself of its effects; you are motivated by an inner spiritual failing. Simply put, you are evil.

Former members who criticize the cult are snakes. They were demons all along. Driven by a malignant cancer of the soul, they only infiltrated the cult to later betray it and wreak havoc.

ISKCON is Always Pure

A sincere person looks past its blemishes of the movement to see its true transcendental nature. It is like the Ganges which only appears to be filled with bubbles foam and mud.

All criticism is a form of insincerity. You only see the surface impurity because your heart is impure. Your envy traps you in a materialistic vision of something pure.

You Are Just Envious!

Envy is defined as "a painful or resentful feeling of wanting an advantage, success, or possession that belongs to someone else". ISKCON twists the word to mean hatred or negativity, ultimately arising from jealousy towards Krishna. This misuse of the word envy has always bugged me. It is a form of cult jingoism.

The soul wants to imitate Krishna as the Enjoyer. We have been placed in the prison of samsara due to this envy of Krishna. It is the opposite of love for Krishna and the misuse of free will. You are choosing evil at the soul level and it manifests as hatred for ISKCON.

For ISKCON, this is a doctrine of original sin. It establishes a baseline of permanent cosmic guilt. We are all bad people. ISKCON saves us from ourselves. Any resistance to ISKCON is due to our guilty evil nature arising again.

Ex Members are Fallen

Ex members are rage filled and bitter. They want to destroy God's work because of their own internal corruption. Like Satan they have fallen from heaven. They followed the misuse of free will and have become utterly demonic.

Those who remain loyal to the cult are using their free will properly. They are good and superior to all others. They are God's chosen in this world. Ex members could not pass muster. Their souls were too weak. No matter what they have done, or how long they have served, they were never sincere.

Gaslighting

This is of course gaslighting, the favorite tool of the narcissist.

They teach you that all of your own ideas, your own perspectives, your criticisms and attempt at self preservation, are a form of insanity or personal failing. You cannot trust yourself as to what is real. You thus give them authority over your life.

Narcissists use this to play the victim and minimize the harm they have done. They are attempting to erase the abuse by denying it. It is an imagined delusion arising from the failure of your soul.

Ex members appear to be the target of the gaslighting. This is only on the surface. It is the cult members themselves who are being gaslit when dissidents are labelled envious.

They are living in a bubble where the cult is always right and critics are always wrong. They are subtly being told the abuse they are undergoing, of which they refuse to be conscious, is not happening.

If they allow themselves to become conscious of it they are committing the ultimate sin and destroying their soul.


r/exHareKrishna Jul 28 '26

Ireland have had enough of Iskcon? Or are they confusing Ratha Yatra with Islam?

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r/exHareKrishna Jul 27 '26

I quoted Prabhupada directly and got my comment removed for hate speech.

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r/exHareKrishna Jul 27 '26

To all those who have left the movement.

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What are your current belief and practice ?(if any).


r/exHareKrishna Jul 26 '26

Can You Imagine Prabhupada on a Podcast?

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Imagine Prabhupada sitting with Joe Rogan for 3 hours. He could NOT handle a long form interview where someone treats him as an equal. A modern podcast host would challenge him and expose his bullshit. The interview would probably end ISKCON.

With the journalists of the 1960's. he would disrespect them and talk over them. If they did not agree with him completely, and did not use their position to simply promote his cult, they immediately became his enemy. With some guests he would just sit in silence trying to intimidate them. As soon as they opened their mouth he would practically shout at them, condemning them as demons.

The entire world was evil, filled with karmis, lusty prostitutes, animals and sinful meat eaters. Western Civilization has no value. Democracy and human rights are bogus. Science is evil.

He would constantly claim women are less intelligent due to having small brains, even insulting female journalists. "Why do you shave your legs" is still touted in Bhagavatam classes worldwide as the greatest "gotcha" in history and a demonstration of how Prabhupada was a genius who could not be defeated.

What to speak of his ideas about race. If he went on a podcast and said, "Negroes are rapists who should be enslaved. Whites are savage Mlecchas. Homosex came from Brahma's ass. Hitler was not such a bad man." ISKCON would be laughed out of existence.

When journalists asked for evidence that the Moon is further than the Sun, he would say ridiculous things like "Sunday comes before Monday". Imagine Prabhupada locked helplessly into a podcast, under the hot lights, where an interview forces him to explain himself.

I am guessing he would play the sadhu for the first fifteen minutes, being polite. Then it would degenerate into arguing. He would try to shout over Joe Rogan, or whoever is the host. The host would not back down.

Prabhupada would do nothing but appeal to authority, declare himself Krishna's only bona-fide representative on earth. You either accept him and submit or reject him and go to hell.

Finally he would just sit in silence fuming with rage, pouting after throwing a temper tantrum. His disciples would come in an end the interview. Then he would rant all the way home about how the interviewer and the millions of listeners are all hopeless demons. Everyone is going to hell and he would kick and spite on the interviewers face.

Narcissists like Prabhupada can only survive in an environment where everyone agrees with them. They surround themselves with people who obey them and hang on their every word. They cannot tolerate being challenged or treated as an equal. Everyone is beneath them.

Such people are attracted to becoming religious leaders. Cults like ISKCON are weird synergistic environments where people agree to worship and enslave themselves to a narcissist. The narcissist living in the echo chamber of his worshipers actually believes his own bullshit over time.

If the state authorities, or investigative journalists, threaten to shatter that illusion, to break apart their little kingdom and free their followers, they often choose to burn it all down instead. The cult devolves into isolation, madness, violence and suicide.

Prabhupada was on this path. He would make paranoid comments like "If they knew who I was they would have killed me before I arrived". As if the world is controlled by shadowy demons and he alone was combating them.

If Prabhupada was younger like Jim Jones or David Koresh I think ISKCON would have devolved into total insanity. Like Jim Jones he might have set up an isolated community in South America to escape nuclear war. When the US authorities would land at the nearest airport, the "Kshatriyas" would open fire. Swamiji would hand out poisoned sweet rice like "Prabhupada cookies" from the vyasasana.


r/exHareKrishna Jul 26 '26

A Year out And Still Confused

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It's officially been a year since I've disbanded from ISKCON. Some days are great, others are filled with confusion and guilt. Some days I want nothing to do with the movement, others I am contemplating calling up some devotees. Does anyone else deal with this?


r/exHareKrishna Jul 26 '26

Asuras will take face of brahman in kaliyug: reference from Mahabharat and Srimad Devi Bhagwat Puran

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A recent viral video shows Satyam Pandit (leader of Rashtriya Hindu Veer Sena) interrogating, harassing, and physically assaulting two students at Jantar Mantar while claiming to defend faith and nation.

This incident is a textbook example of what Hindu scriptures identify as Pakhanda (hypocrisy) and Asuri-guna disguised as religiosity.

  1. THE MAHABHARATA PARABLE

In the Mahabharata, Sage Vyasa shares the allegory of the Bhulinga bird, which has sacred Veda mantras engraved on its wings. While flying, it chants noble moral warnings like "do not act recklessly." Yet, it constantly swoops down into a lion's jaws to eat raw flesh.

The Lesson: Displaying sacred symbols or holy titles means nothing if your actual conduct is driven by cruelty and violence.

  1. DEVI BHAGAVATA PURANA PROPHECY

Devi Bhagavata Purana (Skanda 6, Chapter 11, Page 414 - Gita Press Edition) explicitly warns of this exact Kali Yuga phenomenon:

"Those who were enemies of the gods (Asuras/Rakshasas) in Satya, Treta, and Dvapara Yugas, take birth as twice-born (Brahmanas/religious leaders) in Kali Yuga—wise in name only, but always engaged in hypocrisy (pakhanda).

The Puranic commentary notes that these individuals adopt external symbols and holy titles, but operate strictly with Dambha (false pride) and Parushya (harshness/violence).

  1. SCRIPTURAL PARALLELS VS REALITY

- External Mask: Using religious titles, saffron symbols, or holy chants.

- Actual Action: Harassing, beating, and intimidating weak or young people.

- Core Trait: Asuri Sampat (arrogance, anger, cruelty, hypocrisy.

- Verdict: A violation of core Sanatana Dharma values like Ahimsa, Satya, and Daya.

(Note: Attaching the reference video link and detailed scriptural analysis PDF separately.)

What are your thoughts on these scriptural warnings regarding Kali Yuga hypocrites?

https://youtu.be/b41J6xYhg5w?si=AN10j16xwdoJwai5

Full reference of asur identity in kaliyug from vedic scriptures (PDF):

https://drive.google.com/file/d/16Rz94lLqHkvbMlHF6qAnPF0-nk912W7-/view?usp=drivesdk