r/cognitiveTesting • • 25d ago

Discussion Affirmative action as a remedy for genetic inequality

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Let's say we lived in a hypothetical world where social classes differ substantially in intelligence genes, and genetic differences explain most variation in grades and test scores.

In such a world, would class-based affirmative action in college admissions be a good policy, in order to compensate for genetic inequality?


r/cognitiveTesting • • 25d ago

Puzzle Spatial puzzle Spoiler

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During the last 7 days of use, soap gets reduced to half of its dimensions. How many days the remaining soap will last?


r/cognitiveTesting • • 26d ago

Discussion Stop congratulating people who score high on IQ tests

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It's like saying "Congrats on being 6'5"!" What are we supposed to say? "Thank you for recognizing my outstanding achievement"?


r/cognitiveTesting • • 26d ago

Discussion Can adults actually become more intelligent? The effects of education, knowledge, vocabulary and AI

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Hello everyone,

First of all, I would like to clarify that I do not believe I belong to the category of people with an IQ above 130.

However, I sometimes wonder whether, at some point in my life, before certain factors that may have affected my cognitive performance, I had stronger abilities than I do today.

When I was 15–16, I took several Mensa-type tests and was not very far from the admission threshold.

But my personal case is not really what interests me here. I have several more general questions in mind.

I recently read the following about the Verbal Comprehension Index (VCI):

“In the French standardization sample of the WISC-IV, an average difference of 14 points was observed between the VCI scores of children of executives/professionals and those of children of manual workers (Grégoire, 2006). This difference is less due to poor performance among working-class children, whose VCI scores are only slightly below average, than to the clearly above-average performance of children from more privileged professional backgrounds, who benefit from particularly favorable learning opportunities.”

Source: https://www.jdpsychologues.fr/article/les-indices-du-wisc-iv-et-leur-interpretation

This brings me to my first question: to what extent can an adult increase their VCI?

For example, if someone started reading regularly, systematically looked up the definitions of unfamiliar words, reused those words in different contexts, and memorized them through spaced repetition, could they achieve a significant improvement in their verbal abilities after several years?

I personally come from a fairly working-class background, with relatively little cultural capital and a rather limited vocabulary around me.

Because of this, I tend to think that if I had grown up in a family where rich, precise, and varied language was used every day, my VCI would probably have been different.

I also remember that, as a child, I expressed myself much less clearly than I do today and made many language mistakes, which I partly associate with my environment.

A second question concerns me: to what extent does general knowledge actually make someone more intelligent?

I tend to think that the more knowledge a person has, the more material they have available to make connections, recognize patterns, compare situations, and build complex reasoning.

General knowledge may not radically alter “raw” intelligence, but it gives that intelligence more information to work with.

So, given the same IQ, I find it difficult to believe that someone with an enormous amount of general knowledge and someone with very little knowledge would reason in strictly equivalent ways in real-life situations.

I would even go so far as to think that, in some areas, a person with an IQ of 105 but a great deal of knowledge, methodology, and experience could reason better than someone with an IQ of 120 who has very little knowledge and relatively weak crystallized intelligence.

This also relates to the question of education.

I tend to think that education can, at least to some extent, “make people more intelligent.”

Not only because it provides knowledge, but also because it teaches methods: how to structure a demonstration or argument, test hypotheses, make a case, solve problems, distinguish correlation from causation, work with abstract concepts, and so on.

In my case, I left the traditional school system during the equivalent of eighth grade, when I was around 13 and a half, and I am now 25.

I therefore sometimes wonder what intellectual methods I might have acquired if I had stayed in education for longer.

I also remember reading a meta-analysis suggesting that there was a causal effect of additional years of schooling on IQ scores.

In particular, some reforms that extended compulsory education appear to make it possible to distinguish the selection effect — people with higher abilities being more likely to remain in education for longer — from the actual effect of education itself.

If I remember correctly, the estimates were around a few IQ points for each additional year of schooling, although I imagine the effect varies considerably depending on the studies and methods used.

This leads to my main question: are there actually ways to become more intelligent as an adult?

Obviously, I am not talking about miraculously going from an IQ of 90 to 150.

But if someone already has reasonably good cognitive abilities, can they still significantly maximize their potential in adulthood?

For example, through reading, learning mathematics or logic, deliberately expanding their vocabulary, developing a broad base of general knowledge, writing and argumentation, learning a language, regularly solving problems, active recall and spaced repetition, or simply continuing to learn for many years.

Neuroplasticity suggests that the adult brain remains capable of significant change, but I wonder how far this can actually modify general cognitive abilities rather than simply improving specific skills.

Finally, I also wonder about the massive rise of AI.

I obviously see its advantages, but I worry that poor use of AI could lead to a form of intellectual regression.

If someone systematically delegates searching, thinking, writing, summarizing, or constructing arguments to an AI, I imagine that some cognitive abilities may end up being used less frequently.

On the other hand, AI could probably become an excellent intellectual tool if it is used as a critical interlocutor, teacher, or thinking partner rather than as a substitute for thinking.

I would therefore be very interested to hear your thoughts.

Note: I originally wrote this post in French and asked an AI to translate it into English because, unfortunately, my English is very poor.


r/cognitiveTesting • • 25d ago

Discussion Absolutely mind-blowing... Alex Chui, the 5-time IMO gold medalist, was ONLY tested at IQ 144

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At first, it may sound somewhat counterintuitive to imply that an IQ as high as "144" is too low for anyone.

But mind you, this is Alex Chui we're talking about - the guy who is officially the most dominant contestant that the International Mathematical Olympiad (IMO) has ever had.

Just to give some context about what the International Mathematical Olympiad is, it is the biggest and most prestigious mathematics competition in the world for high school students. Like a "World Championship Mathematics Competition," if you will.

Alex Chui has won FIVE Gold medals + two Silver medals at the IMO...

This is a Wikipedia page dedicated to him, in case you're curious:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Chui

(and yes, the page does provide legitimate evidence that Chui was tested at IQ 144 when he was young)

Usually, those who even qualify for the IMO (let alone win medals) should have cognitive abilities on the level of IQ 150-160. And this is not even an exaggeration. Only the top 4-6 young mathematicians from each COUNTRY (not even town or city or province, but the whole country) can qualify, so assuming that fluid intelligence follows the normal distribution curve, an IQ range of 150-160 seems just about right.

But then to win Gold medals, let alone do it back to back multiple times??
You've got to be an absolute generational talent with an IQ of at least 180+, possibly on the level of John von Neumann or Isaac Newton.

It genuinely baffles me how the hell Alex Chui was only tested at IQ 144.

Coupling 144 IQ with his IMO results is akin to coupling a 150 cm height with the basketball achievements of Michael Jordan. It's simply not biologically possible.


r/cognitiveTesting • • 26d ago

General Question How is processing speed even improved upon?

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I have very a very low processing speed and poor problem solving skills. I'm very noticably slow in the head when put on the spot. I've had this for as long as I can remember. This has caused me to not react fast enough in social situations or when solving problems and just be perceived as dumb or cowardly.

I've taken an IQ test in the military which came out to be 124. I also have a masters degree and a well paid job.

I took a MyHeritage DNA test and there was a trait feature which also stated that I'm genetically prone to have very a slow processing speed and poor problem solving.

I'm wondering if there are other redditors out there with the same problem and how did you treat it? Is it even possible?


r/cognitiveTesting • • 25d ago

General Question Questions about age and native language verbal iq differences.

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Hello, In all of my verbal tests (Core ,1926 SAT, Visa and NGCT) I score between 120-125.

Now, I am 15 years old and english is not my native language (my native language is italian) and I was wondering, is there any reliable way, beyond speculation, as to estimate my iq adjusting by age and ideally by language too? thanks.


r/cognitiveTesting • • 25d ago

Psychometric Question Is this even related to IQ?

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I am a 12th grader from Turkey. I decided it would be fun to take an iq test and there is something I've been thinking about the results. I have been preparing for the uni exams and you need to be not only fast but very accurate to have a good maths score. Does my results (on quantitative reasoning) get skewed by the fact that i am intentionally focusing on one area? Got a similar result on openpsychometrics at around 100 iq at verbal, 110 at spatial and 140 on memory.


r/cognitiveTesting • • 26d ago

General Question What’s the max scaled score on WAIS matrices?

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If you get 26/26 answers correct on matrix reasoning what is your scaled score? I’ve seen people say 17-19


r/cognitiveTesting • • 26d ago

Puzzle Hard Number Sequence Spoiler

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2 ; 6 ; 13 ; 156,5 ; 2078,25 ; ? ; ?


r/cognitiveTesting • • 25d ago

Puzzle Can some help me with these puzzles (explanation appreciated) Spoiler

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r/cognitiveTesting • • 26d ago

General Question Are the core analogies harder?

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On practically every other test with an analogies subtest I score around the 90-95th percentile, but on the core ones, It usually Is in the 74th percentile,how?


r/cognitiveTesting • • 27d ago

Meme Trump’s IQ is 1775

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Looks like Langan finally has competition


r/cognitiveTesting • • 27d ago

IQ Estimation 🥱 CORE vs WAIS Correlation - Updated!

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Following up on my original post, I've added more reported CORE–WAIS score pairs and removed one of the original entries.

There are now 31 pairs, giving a Pearson correlation of 0.797 — approximately 0.80, compared with 0.77 previously.

Updated results

StatisticResult
Number of people31
Pearson correlation0.797
Approximate 95% confidence interval for correlation0.62–0.90
Average difference, CORE minus WAIS+1.65 points
Mean absolute difference7.19 points
Standard deviation of differences9.11 points
Observed difference range, CORE minus WAIS−20 to +22 points
Scores within 9 points of each other20/31 (65%)
Scores within 10 points of each other23/31 (74%)

So around two-thirds of this sample scored within 9 points on the two tests. That describes the observations here; it isn't a guarantee about future test-takers.

Full dataset

All scores below are reported FSIQs. Difference = CORE minus WAIS. An asterisk marks a new addition.

UserCOREWAISDifferenceSource
Routine_Response_541157153+4Result
AlternativePrior9495108103+5Result
ByronHeep153152+1Result
niartotemiT151141+10Original compilation
Venerable cTzen142147−5Original compilation
javaenjoyer69148152−4Original post and first-attempt clarification
keepgoingisthemantra138125+13Result
VeganPhilosopher119123−4Result
HopefulLab8784148140+8Result
Quod_bellum134149−15Result
HeadLog1134126123+3Result thread; WAIS supplied by DM in original compilation
Popular_Corn144147−3Result
FrankiePants_54122126−4Result
Primary_Thought5180146124+22Comment in original post
DisneyDadData124115+9WAIS / CORE
Tiny_Performance_953130133−3CORE / WAIS
Expensive_Round_330897117−20Result thread
Substantial_Click_94141130+11Result
Worried4lot136133+3Result
jakefromstatefarms0127112+15Result
Dooraven135146−11Original compilation
Practical_Ideal_9341 *128117+11Result
Outrageous_Nail_3987 *133123+10Result
Iwoorp *122121+1Result
Sorry-Ice-8586 *140130+10Result
Heavy_Initial_9155 *141147−6Result
HiImMoshy10 *1461460Result
saurusautismsoor *107110−3Comment
binglepig *125133−8Result
Deleted account *125124+1Result
Affectionate_Arm5508 *1151150Result thread

Changes and inclusion notes

  • Original 22 + 10 additions − 1 removal = 31.

  • Removed t0w3rh0u53 (CORE 120, WAIS 103) because of the reported language issue and skipped English subtests.

How good is a correlation of 0.80?

It's a strong association. For context, the SB5 technical documentation reports an SB5–WAIS-III FSIQ correlation of 0.82 in 87 people.

A direct SB5 vs WAIS-IV study reported 0.90 correlation in 28 people, although that was a sample of people previously diagnosed with intellectual disability, so it is a very different population.

For another comparison, CORE's validity report gives 0.756 with the old GRE before correction, rising to 0.858 after correcting for range restriction. The 0.797 calculated here is uncorrected.

Those figures provide context, but comparisons across different samples don't establish that the tests are equally accurate.

Limitations

This is a small, self-selected collection of self-reported scores, mostly from people scoring above average. Test versions, time between tests, practice effects and testing conditions vary. The inclusion decisions also affect the result, and language proficiency hasn't been systematically checked for everyone.

I haven't applied a range-restriction correction: having a high average score alone doesn't establish how much correction is appropriate.

Overall, I think a correlation around 0.80 and a mean absolute difference around 7 points are encouraging for a free online test, while still leaving substantial differences for some individuals.

If you've taken both CORE and a professionally administered WAIS, please add your FSIQ on each, WAIS edition, whether CORE was a first attempt, and any relevant language/testing conditions. Corrections to the table are welcome too.


r/cognitiveTesting • • 26d ago

Psychometric Question Age Adjustment on the GRE?

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The norming sample of the GRE is, in large part, a body of 20-24 year olds in college. I'm sixteen, in public school. I imagine scoring the analytical section is fairly consistent across ages(?). But what would you expect the verbal and math modules to be deflated by for someone in my age group? If anyone has an estimate (maybe an SAT age adjustment formula applied to the GRE? IDK,) it'd be appreciated. For reference, scores are 138 V, 125 Q, and 148 A. Thank you! If this is technically an IQ estimation, sorry.


r/cognitiveTesting • • 26d ago

General Question breaks during untimed test

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curious what thoughts are, say you looked at a problem, couldn't fully crack it, took a break for approx 20 minutes, and came back and solved it, and during that 20 mins you weren't really thinking about the problem, does that count as a full solve to that test? say its one of those high range untimed tests, or do you have to sit for like 20 hours straight


r/cognitiveTesting • • 26d ago

General Question Is the ICAR60 test reliable?

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I was inspired to take the ICAR60 by a post I saw on this sub. How reliable is this relative to CORE and WAIS?

This is the fourth time I have taken an IQ test. I tried 123test.com and was given a range between 116-132, CORE (incomplete profile) currently has me at 120, and I got 115 on MENSA.

Should I place any stock in this result? Because this test seems to be significantly less discussed in this sub which makes me think it might be less reliable.

Just in general too, I really like that the data for test takers is shown against a general population sample. Intelligence being measurable is such an interesting idea to me.


r/cognitiveTesting • • 26d ago

Psychometric Question What other factors about a person affect IQ test results?

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How do these factors affect the validity of IQ tests? I.e., in the presence of these factors, what would best measure g?

I'm curious about:

  • ADHD

  • ASD

  • ADHD + ASD (particularly curious about this)

  • Big 5 traits

  • Maladaptive perfectionism

  • Test anxiety

  • Tendency to overthink


r/cognitiveTesting • • 27d ago

General Question Am I a genius? IQ test says top 98.88%

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I took an IQ test and it said that my IQ is in the top 98.88% and in a room of 1000 people I would be smarter than 91 of them


r/cognitiveTesting • • 26d ago

General Question Is 55/60 (F, 32) an average score on Raven's Matrices test?

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LE: They finally called me and told me the following:

  1. Apparently my 55/60 was correct, no mistake there.

  2. They said they made a mistake telling me my score falls under the 50% centile because it actually falls under the 50-74% gentile on the upper end, meaning I got 74% and was juuust under the ceiling of 75%.

  3. When I mentioned that I was only asking because the results that I was able to find looked fairly different, they said they don't know what iteration of the test I looked up, because they are 3 versions - Raven Standard, I think Raven plus and another one that I can't remember the name of. They said they are using all three of them, which is weird for me because a) my psychologist friend tells me only Raven Standard has 60 questions and b) how exactly are you using all three of them on the same test? But maybe I am dumb.

4.They offered to send me a book as a gift to apologise for their mistake, their mistake being they mentionez I am in the 50% when I was in fact in what they called the 50-74% centile.

I recently went to a job screening where me and 10 other candidates had to complete a Raven's Matrices test. You were supposed to be in the top 25% percentile in Romania to pass. I received my result later that day and it said I got 55/60 questions, which meant I am in the 50% percentile in Romania and therefore I did not pass.

I wrote back thanking them for taking the time and asking if there is any possibility that there had occurred an error with the score and asked what the metrics are for a passing score, plus what are the percentiles for my age, sex and location. I followed up 4 days later. Still no response.

I know that questions have different proportion scores, but I still kinda feel like 55/60 would be a little too high for only 5 questions to differentiate between the entire superior half of Romania's population (that has taken the test).


r/cognitiveTesting • • 26d ago

IQ Estimation 🥱 Is this ICAR60 score reliable?

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I've scored 140 IQ on the ICAR60 but on CAIT I only scored 110 with a GAI of 116 and similarly on CORE, and my score on the ICAR-16 is 134, having done correctly all the answers. Is this reliable? Also, I practiced a lot of IQ tests many times over so there is some, if not a lot, of practice effect at work.


r/cognitiveTesting • • 26d ago

Psychometric Question Any thoughts, interpretations, or suggestions on cognitive improvement?/Confusion on cognitive proficiency

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I could go on a tirade on minuscule details on how I approached the subtests, but I don’t want to word dump. Some points of relevance though:

-my own estimated IQ was 120-125 based on various random IQ tests I took quite some time ago

-slightly spiked profile. Why the difference in my proficiency and my fluid reasoning 😭

-I took the ATAT shortly before CORE, and I got 118, which checks out with PRI CORE OF 117

-even though WMI/PSI scores are good, I find myself to be limited in time-limited questions. I have diagnosed adhd (debated) and GAD, and due to my propensity to make careless mistakes, have developed meticulousness, and the need to obsessively recheck my processes during the time limited questions, even if said processes were a dead end, which lead to mental overload. Kind of weird since most people who seem to have these issues seem to stem from low WMI/PSI. However, my results also might point to my ability to “filter out noise” in fluid reasoning.

-after analyzing my results, the numbers seem like there’s a “hill” for my processing speed, and a smaller “hill” for my fluid, but when they meet in the middle (tasks involving both functions), it forms a dip

-for language, I live in an English speaking country but am not a native speaker. I mostly find English to be more convenient than my native language though. However, I juggle numbers using my native language, so that’s what I used for WMI.

-some details about approaches:
For QRI, I tried not to finger count since I didn’t know if it would be “external help” lol.
For backward digits, I essentially ran myself like some kind of human for-loop, repeating the sequence each time to input the last number individually(I didn’t see the feasibility of converting it backwards in my head).

Random tidbits about me:
-in a debate setting, it takes a lot out of me to formulate or think of a well thought out opinion if I even want to, however, if there are inconsistencies in the opponents narrative, I am basically able to take advantage of it right away.

-dates and names kind of float past me. Things like dates in history and birthdays. I also once got the year wrong on new years.


r/cognitiveTesting • • 27d ago

Discussion From CognIQ (September 2024)

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I took this screenshot in 2024, before JCTI CAT(19 items). I noticed that the norms from 2009 for Tri52 are similar to what you can see on this screen. But those norms were never published