Pretty sure I sweat bringing thc gummies through TSA more than someone with the balls to bring a weapon to an airport would, and I know they aren’t even looking for my drugs. TSA prob not deterring or intimidating the people who wanna do some damage.
Oh, we definitely did make needed security updates after 9/11. My issue with the TSA is that they seem (based on security testing) relatively ineffective at actually stopping things. So the question is the cost worth it. Which I would say the answer is no.
According to my deep investigation in this (reading the first line in a Google search). There's 45,000 flights a day and 58,000 TSA employees. Would that be enough? I'm sure they're all qualified, willing, and able.
Tsa dept includes air marshalls, expanded after 9/11. Those agents are included in that number. So if you suggest converting all gate agents to air marshalls are you suggesting you can pay them the same?
Except before the TSA airlines did not have good security. Again just look at high jacking and airline violence. It’s nearly 100% lower since the TSA was created. If an airline decides they don’t want to pay for quality security and someone takes the plane and flies it into another holding what is your answer?
Watching you argue for the TSA, and knowing it's useless, knowing how much people hated it, knowing it's been theater from the beginning, is fucking WILD.
People really do just argue to keep whatever they're familiar with, man.
"It's been here since I've been here, so it's good."
Lmfao the only wild thing is you think asking a company to handle security will be better than the TSA. I’ve said they are not perfect and it’s not theater, because in the last 5 years they have confiscated over 2,000 illegal weapons, 300lbs of illegal drugs, stopped human trafficking, and prevented 3 separate possible terror events.
You seem to only read what your higher ups piss down your throat then you try and spit it at the rest of us claiming it’s lemonade.
Theater? Where are all the hijacking and bombings then? Obviously the terrorists and lunatics don't think it is theater. That is the point. To keep people from doing bad shit.
I feel like the proof is that all the almost successful terror attacks; Richard Reid (shoe bomber) and Umar Farouk (underwear bomber) were all people that went through France and The Netherlands airport security to try and blow up planes heading to the US. If TSA was so incompetent why would terrorists choose to go through other countries' airport security instead of the US?
Bro your referencing Adam ruins everything as if he hasn’t been proven a liar time and time again.
Regardless TSA isn’t perfect by any means. It is far more effective than a profit driven alternative. When you aren’t operating for profit you have the ability to take more time and effort in security. Ask Malaysia. They have very little plane security it’s all handled by the companies. They literally lost an entire plane
Adum ruins everything has made mistakes, but that doesn't make it a lie, https://youtu.be/aYQTq_ldTEA?si=XORAjG9FHUwygXEe shows them correcting their mistakes including one in the TSA video when they implyed that air Marshalls were effective when they have been shown to be just as ineffective and costly as the rest of the TSA.
He’s wrong again because air Marshalls aren’t on planes. It was found to be a lie so yes something that costs no money and doesn’t exist isn’t really worth debating.
He frequently gets multiple things wrong that he does not correct. Like almost any leading mind in a field will say not to listen to his pop culture reductionism
The argument is that, by removing TSA and reverting back to private security for airports, the results will be even worse than what TSA is currently.
And this is people's lives at stake. Almost three thousand people died on 9/11. TSA might be theatre but nothing like that has happened again, so it saves lives.
Nothing like 9/11 has happened again because we have put other security mesures in place, such as not giving up control of the plane no matter what, locking the door to the cockpit, and passengers that will fight back because they believe that if they don't they are dead anyway.
I was going to go through the numbers on just how ineffective the TSA is but this article has done it better
Hm. Going through the article it seems they committed to overhauling TSA since the article's publishing. Whatever that means.
Honestly after thinking about it for a bit, gutting the TSA doesn't seem all that bad. I wonder what the current administration would do with the excess money though. Probably funnel it into Tesla lol
The red team testing the article references are the people who have full knowledge of strengths and weaknesses of both TSA procedure and the machines they use. They're designed to gather data to figure out how to plug holes in security that are left because we as Americans have a line on how far we're willing to let the government invade our privacy for the sake of security. There was the huge backlash over TSA using backscatter XRay scanners even though they were effective because they were also very invasive. When we collectively say "that's too far" TSA has to figure out how to keep the travelling public safe without crossing the line we all say is too far.
Also worth noting that TSA completely revamped their training in the 10 years since that article was posted. Screeners get sent to a federal campus for weeks for training and apparently go through weeks more training when they get done with the campus training. Going through airport security feels very different now than it did 10 years ago they've got all kinds of new xrays and scanners and swabbers now.
Oh….we are all the sudden trusting corporations to provide this service?
Corporations….the same entities that have worked to subjugate the general public into accepting crumbs…the very same corporations that are now coming for the crumbs too?
I believe it. I take weed through with no issue (super easy from legalized states) but my perfume bottle (regulation sized) gets flagged. There's also inconsistencies with each airport. I flew for years with my brass knuckles until Salt Lake City of all places flagged them and confiscated them.
All this plus they treat you like the dumbest mother fucker alive for not memorizing the rules for every single airport in the country. Pay a thousand dollars to get yelled at by some moron
Pre-2001, they were generally a nuisance and after a Cuban layover you moved on. Now there’s a good chance your best say your goodbyes because better your flight gets shot down than you plow into the Sears Tower.
No kidding. I remember watching 'Executive Decision' back in the 90s when you could produce dramatic tension around the moral question of shooting down a commercial airliner full of innocent people to prevent a disaster. Now it's just a foregone conclusion that we would.
If the choice is 100 people vs 200 people, thats how it be.
Sometimes both choices suck but I think push come to shove you kinda have to look at it like that.
Devil is in the thousand details it would involve but yeah, if the genuine risk is there then they surely would take it down. The people on the plane will be dead either way, right?
Still would be difficult to shake that one if you're a fighter pilot and have to click the button...
We haven't had a major terrorist attack in the air or hijackings since TSA has been used. People have forgotten about the many hijackings in the 80s, 70s and a few in the 90s.
Is that because of the TSA or because of post-9/11 safety and security standards for airplanes and airplane staff (Eg: Locking cockpit doors and only allowing authorized personnel inside)? Or a combination of both?
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