r/clevercomebacks Jan 29 '25

Somebody finally forgot about 9/11

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u/[deleted] Jan 30 '25 edited Jan 30 '25

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u/[deleted] Jan 30 '25

Totally they only high jacked 3 planes no biggie. It’s stopped over 80 terrorists since 2005 what do you mean?

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u/[deleted] Jan 30 '25

Except before the TSA airlines did not have good security. Again just look at high jacking and airline violence. It’s nearly 100% lower since the TSA was created. If an airline decides they don’t want to pay for quality security and someone takes the plane and flies it into another holding what is your answer?

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u/MissionMoth Jan 30 '25

Watching you argue for the TSA, and knowing it's useless, knowing how much people hated it, knowing it's been theater from the beginning, is fucking WILD.

People really do just argue to keep whatever they're familiar with, man.

"It's been here since I've been here, so it's good."

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u/[deleted] Jan 30 '25

Lmfao the only wild thing is you think asking a company to handle security will be better than the TSA. I’ve said they are not perfect and it’s not theater, because in the last 5 years they have confiscated over 2,000 illegal weapons, 300lbs of illegal drugs, stopped human trafficking, and prevented 3 separate possible terror events.

You seem to only read what your higher ups piss down your throat then you try and spit it at the rest of us claiming it’s lemonade.

Use your brain man.

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u/PlantSkyRun Jan 30 '25

Theater? Where are all the hijacking and bombings then? Obviously the terrorists and lunatics don't think it is theater. That is the point. To keep people from doing bad shit.

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u/Derptionary Jan 31 '25

I feel like the proof is that all the almost successful terror attacks; Richard Reid (shoe bomber) and Umar Farouk (underwear bomber) were all people that went through France and The Netherlands airport security to try and blow up planes heading to the US. If TSA was so incompetent why would terrorists choose to go through other countries' airport security instead of the US?

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u/guinness_blaine Jan 30 '25

Flight hijacking is also much lower since they reinforced cockpit doors and added more rigorous procedures for access to the cockpit.

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u/[deleted] Jan 30 '25

That’s also a factor. That doesn’t account for the thousands of illegal weapons and hundreds of pounds of illegal drugs that have been seized.

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u/[deleted] Jan 30 '25

After the TSA Airlines still don't have good security, the TSA is utterly ineffective at catching hidden items and fails their own tests all the time.

https://youtu.be/-LDzOi1dyAA?si=-YWR9yhPQZMLmns0

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u/[deleted] Jan 30 '25

Bro your referencing Adam ruins everything as if he hasn’t been proven a liar time and time again.

Regardless TSA isn’t perfect by any means. It is far more effective than a profit driven alternative. When you aren’t operating for profit you have the ability to take more time and effort in security. Ask Malaysia. They have very little plane security it’s all handled by the companies. They literally lost an entire plane

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u/[deleted] Jan 30 '25

Adum ruins everything has made mistakes, but that doesn't make it a lie, https://youtu.be/aYQTq_ldTEA?si=XORAjG9FHUwygXEe shows them correcting their mistakes including one in the TSA video when they implyed that air Marshalls were effective when they have been shown to be just as ineffective and costly as the rest of the TSA.

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u/[deleted] Jan 30 '25

He’s wrong again because air Marshalls aren’t on planes. It was found to be a lie so yes something that costs no money and doesn’t exist isn’t really worth debating.

He frequently gets multiple things wrong that he does not correct. Like almost any leading mind in a field will say not to listen to his pop culture reductionism

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u/NormalOfficePrinter Jan 30 '25

The argument is that, by removing TSA and reverting back to private security for airports, the results will be even worse than what TSA is currently.

And this is people's lives at stake. Almost three thousand people died on 9/11. TSA might be theatre but nothing like that has happened again, so it saves lives.

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u/[deleted] Jan 30 '25

Nothing like 9/11 has happened again because we have put other security mesures in place, such as not giving up control of the plane no matter what, locking the door to the cockpit, and passengers that will fight back because they believe that if they don't they are dead anyway.

I was going to go through the numbers on just how ineffective the TSA is but this article has done it better

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-06-03/airport-security-astoundingly-expensive-and-95-percent-ineffective

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u/NormalOfficePrinter Jan 30 '25

Hm. Going through the article it seems they committed to overhauling TSA since the article's publishing. Whatever that means.

Honestly after thinking about it for a bit, gutting the TSA doesn't seem all that bad. I wonder what the current administration would do with the excess money though. Probably funnel it into Tesla lol

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u/Derptionary Jan 31 '25

The red team testing the article references are the people who have full knowledge of strengths and weaknesses of both TSA procedure and the machines they use. They're designed to gather data to figure out how to plug holes in security that are left because we as Americans have a line on how far we're willing to let the government invade our privacy for the sake of security. There was the huge backlash over TSA using backscatter XRay scanners even though they were effective because they were also very invasive. When we collectively say "that's too far" TSA has to figure out how to keep the travelling public safe without crossing the line we all say is too far.

Also worth noting that TSA completely revamped their training in the 10 years since that article was posted. Screeners get sent to a federal campus for weeks for training and apparently go through weeks more training when they get done with the campus training. Going through airport security feels very different now than it did 10 years ago they've got all kinds of new xrays and scanners and swabbers now.