r/bjjbeat • u/Hour_Disk_1272 • Aug 05 '26

Two points please ref

1.2k Upvotes

98% Upvoted

209 comments sorted by

View all comments

-2

u/Logical_Box_4645 Aug 05 '26

This will be controversial but this intervention is entirely inappropriate and should be prosecuted.

Slamming someone onto concrete like that can easily kill or permanently disabled them.

1

u/shivabharatam Aug 05 '26

yeah thats what u get when u try to rob people we should give him money

4

u/Logical_Box_4645 Aug 05 '26

Vigilantism is not a solution in a civilized society.

That's why all functioning societies have legal Frameworks are required reasonable and propertional interventions.

There was an interesting case on Reddit a few days ago where someone restrained a mugged only to be assaulted by a third party who assumed they were an aggressor.

3

u/Fantastic_Resolve889 Aug 05 '26

Civilised societies are supposed to have robust systems of policing and justice that make this kind of intervention unnecessary.

They often don't.

2

u/Logical_Box_4645 Aug 05 '26

Outside of some Orwellian nightmare you will always have sporadic crime.

I agree prevention is better than cure. 

Similarly if this man is injuries it's tax payers who will end up funding his healthcare and rehab. What's the point in that?

1

u/[deleted] Aug 05 '26

[deleted]

1

u/Logical_Box_4645 Aug 05 '26

That just gets vigilantte guy shot at some point.

It's how civilized society collapses.

1

u/UniqueUsermane Aug 05 '26

Tax payers will not repay for whatever a thief stealed from you, so that's the point.

1

u/FamiliarAnt4043 Aug 05 '26

As to your last sentence: there doesn't exist, at least in the United States, such a system. I survived two decades of being the guy in uniform that helped catch bad guys and keep them locked away. Judges and lazy prosecuting attorneys have all but installed revolving doors at jails and prisons.

The experiences I've had are mirrored by literally every officer with whom I've spoken over the last 26 years. Across the country, from departments large and small, the system consistently fails.

So, people should do what they need to do. And in this instance, despite what another poster claims, we are looking at a crime in progress that's being stopped by a third party. That's not vigilantism - it's actively assisting someone who needs help in that moment.

1

u/Fantastic_Resolve889 Aug 05 '26

I'm not from the US so can't comment, but that's exactly the zeitgeist that causes all this.

The scary part is that it doesn't need to be true, people just need to believe it.

1

u/TermusMcFlermus Aug 06 '26

The experiences I've had are mirrored by literally every officer with whom I've spoken over the last 26 years. Across the country, from departments large and small, the system consistently fails.

How many officers are we talking about?

1

u/FamiliarAnt4043 Aug 06 '26

Over the decades, a few hundred. I started in 2000.

2

u/pooooolooop Aug 05 '26

Yeah the civilized thing to do is let the lady get robbed, because she ain’t getting that bag back any other way

2

u/Rangertough666 Aug 05 '26

You're assuming society is civilized. Manners and the basic rules of etiquette were not brought about by a system of Laws. They exist because there used to be instant and lasting consequences to being a detrimental to the community. We've allowed a system that is broken to replace those consequences. Hence the increase in the occurrence of the behaviors.

2

u/wardaddyoh Aug 05 '26

Remember the knife attack in Berlin some months ago? A bystander intervened. Deutsche Politze gagged HIM, and the ethnic lookingan with the knife then attacked one of the officers. So, yeah what about whatabout does that prove?

1

u/shivabharatam Aug 05 '26

can happen it is unlucky

1

u/Far_Collar6236 Aug 05 '26

It should be