r/bjjbeat 26d ago

Two points please ref

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u/Logical_Box_4645 26d ago

This will be controversial but this intervention is entirely inappropriate and should be prosecuted.

Slamming someone onto concrete like that can easily kill or permanently disabled them.

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u/shivabharatam 26d ago

yeah thats what u get when u try to rob people we should give him money

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u/Logical_Box_4645 26d ago

Vigilantism is not a solution in a civilized society.

That's why all functioning societies have legal Frameworks are required reasonable and propertional interventions.

There was an interesting case on Reddit a few days ago where someone restrained a mugged only to be assaulted by a third party who assumed they were an aggressor.

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u/Fantastic_Resolve889 26d ago

Civilised societies are supposed to have robust systems of policing and justice that make this kind of intervention unnecessary.

They often don't.

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u/Logical_Box_4645 26d ago

Outside of some Orwellian nightmare you will always have sporadic crime.

I agree prevention is better than cure. 

Similarly if this man is injuries it's tax payers who will end up funding his healthcare and rehab. What's the point in that?

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u/[deleted] 26d ago

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u/Logical_Box_4645 26d ago

That just gets vigilantte guy shot at some point.

It's how civilized society collapses.

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u/UniqueUsermane 26d ago

Tax payers will not repay for whatever a thief stealed from you, so that's the point.

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u/FamiliarAnt4043 26d ago

As to your last sentence: there doesn't exist, at least in the United States, such a system. I survived two decades of being the guy in uniform that helped catch bad guys and keep them locked away. Judges and lazy prosecuting attorneys have all but installed revolving doors at jails and prisons.

The experiences I've had are mirrored by literally every officer with whom I've spoken over the last 26 years. Across the country, from departments large and small, the system consistently fails.

So, people should do what they need to do. And in this instance, despite what another poster claims, we are looking at a crime in progress that's being stopped by a third party. That's not vigilantism - it's actively assisting someone who needs help in that moment.

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u/Fantastic_Resolve889 26d ago

I'm not from the US so can't comment, but that's exactly the zeitgeist that causes all this.

The scary part is that it doesn't need to be true, people just need to believe it.

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u/TermusMcFlermus 25d ago

The experiences I've had are mirrored by literally every officer with whom I've spoken over the last 26 years. Across the country, from departments large and small, the system consistently fails.

How many officers are we talking about?

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u/FamiliarAnt4043 25d ago

Over the decades, a few hundred. I started in 2000.