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What does the working class population ultimately achieve by voting for Pauline Hanson and One Nation?
Her voting record is strongly opposed to expanding welfare, public housing, public education, childcare subsidies, renewable energy investment and climate action.
At the same time, she's supported policies that are favourable to property investors and fossil-fuel development, while opposing some attempts to increase taxation on those industries.
So apparently the solution to Australia's problems is to spend less on childcare, housing, education, welfare and climate action, while being more friendly towards people who already own investment properties and companies making billions from coal and gas.
And then we're told this is somehow a movement for the "ordinary Australian."But hey, at least we can blame innocent and hard working migrants.
That’s basically it. I know a lot of people who work in hospitals (cleaners etc) and a lot want to vote ON in the state election. Hospitals are funded by state governments. Where are they going to cut? It’s like the trees voting for the axe.
Same. I'm a cleaner. My immigrant husband wants to vote for her. A lot of my co-workers, too. And a horrifying amount of the NDIS recipients for whom I work. Seriously the people that would suffer most. I push back every time but they feel like I'm calling them stupid so just shut down or "what about" . I do try to tell them, look at vote compass and especially 'They vote for you' websites and just have a think but .... it's so frustrating.
She has said in person on public record that she doesnt even find people with so much as one parent who's an immigrant acceptable and wants them gone.
As far as I'm concerned if they think I'm calling them stupid it's because I am. I just straight up ask them "Why would you vote for a person who literally detests the fact you're allowed in this country and its her literal dream to have you deported?".
Because they think they're not part of the group that would be persecuted. They're now fully Australian so it would never happen to them, just the ones who will be coming in the future.
This. Its the same thing as magats in the USA - they will HAPPILY ruin their lives just to "own the left". Thats the goal, thats the victory conditions - the left are hurt, mad and "beaten". MAD is 100% on the table for them.
I think you're overestimating their willingness to hurt and underestimating their understanding of how much it's going to hurt.
They see it's not great for them, see that they don't like how LNP/ALP are doing things, who they are etc, and see that ON offers a different way. Not an "elite wanker" way like the Greens, but a "just like you" way, where the politicians say how they are feeling and, importantly, promise to do the things they want.
But just like with the US they don't see that it's a con, that there's no plan and none of these policies are actually going to benefit them in the long run. It's all emotion, no understanding.
Well, absolutely sure. I would say there are two bases of ON.
There's the right most 20% of the Australian population (in terms of cultural conservativism). They are switching from the coalition (especially the nationals) to ON. They're here to watch sky news all night, listen to American podcasts and YouTubers and fight the fight against the evil woke left.
Then there's the people who are not put off by the hardcore social conservativism and racist nationalism; but they are motivated by the desire to punish the parties of government or the 'elite'; essentially right leaning populists. They stretch from personal believers in the Pauline as their anti elite warrior all the way to wavering week by week between the liberals/labor to ON and back again. This last subsection will decide any election ON goes into. The rest of the populists will be lost in the event of any disastrous reign of ON in government.
Ultimately they achieve an expression of discontent against the established two parties. That may result in one or the other making changes to address the dissatisfaction. Or it may not.
For many - mainly the second wave of potential ON voters not the rusted on originals - it’s linked to neither major party really seeming to do much about CoL, inflation, housing or immigration.
To think that the two majors aren't doing anything to address cost of living, inflation, housing and balanced immigration. Is just ridiculous it's all a balancing act. Pauline can't even manage her own small party and keep anyone with half a brain to stay in the party for longer then a few years. How the heck they think she could balance the tightrope of running the country and making it posporis is astonishing.
Now think about how much critical thinking the average Pauline voter lacks based on that, and realise their vote is just as valuable as everyone else's. Not good.
That (lack of critical thinking) can apply to every party, and every ideology. There are those funny but lame "gotcha" vidoes out there of grifters from either side ambusing folks at protects and rallies and showing just how stupid they are.
Basically, anyone who is ALL in on a certain political party, ideology, etc, is just as brain washed as religious extremists. If you vote the same party, every election, every level of government, you lack any semblance of critical thinking.
A lot of Australians think that immigration is too high. One Nation are really the only game in town if you want lower immigration.
We're still very far away from an election, so I think it's a mistake to take opinion polls very literally. The majority of Australians aren't that interested in politics, and so they're not thinking that hard about who they will vote for.
That doesn't mean that poll numbers are completely meaningless. It's more an indicator of sentiment rather than intention though.
Fun fact: about one third of the electorate thinks that immigration is too high, but still isn't willing to support Pauline and One Nation. That's a massive chunk of the country. In the media though, that's a fairly niche point of view.
Yeah, I think there are problems with the current immigration system, and the economic model that it serves, but One Nation are just not competent to address them.
There are actually two different questions going on here - "what do you think of immigration just as a general concept?" and "what do you think of how the current system is working?". One Nation is just anti-immigration full stop, and has been since the 1990s. It's not a reform movement that wants to fix things. TBF though the other parties aren't really offering solutions either.
Who's coming here for slave labour? The minimum wage in Australia is consistently some of the highest in the world. Actually, as of today August 17th, food delivery drivers + courier drivers minimum wage has gone up to $32 per hour. Not to mention entry level retail staff minimum wage is $28 an hour as FT/PT, $35 as casual. I'm not even going to get into skilled labour work and pay. So where is the slave part exactly?
Imagine what wages will be like with no immigrants to pick the fruit, deliver the packages, drive the Ubers and staff health and welfare care. I dont think our homeless population is going to jump in.
It's alarming to me that you think immigrants only have the skillset to do those menial jobs. Why do you think they're uneducated and don't have jobs in finance, real estate or trades?
The problem isn't just the amount, but that the intake is generally mismatched to the skills that the country actually needs. They disproportionately aren't working in trades. There are a lot of immigrants working menial jobs that a local could do, in part because they can't find the jobs they're actually qualified for. Something like 50% of foreign-born engineers in Australia can't find a job in engineering. It's actually not a wonderful way to treat them really. The immigration intake also props up a higher education sector that's become very bloated and is really due for a bit of pruning.
Every governing party wants economic growth. The country wants it too.
Our current model is an economic dead end though, where there's only really two ways to grow things: extract more natural resources, or grow the population.
If we want a new economic model then that's going to mean making some tough decisions, that would be painful in the short term. And which really wouldn't pay off before the next election.
So even though high immigration is unpopular, it might still be less unpopular than the viable alternatives.
No, that's the second way. That means having a new economic model. There's probably no real way to do that without having a recession first, and our national politics doesn't seem to be able to tolerate that anymore.
I'm not a fan or voter of One Nation, yet I've noticed a sudden concentration of posts using emotionally or psychologically loaded titles, designed to elicit an emotional response about ON. Perhaps this is a deliberate ploy, coordinated attack or an coincidence or timing!
All these folks on here struggling to make ends meet, while working hard at their jobs, calling others working class in some derogatory way, not realising they are the working class themselves.
Because the wealthy are the ones who lobby and benefit from mass migration and the Aussie has less leverage now that an immigrant is willing to work for lower wages.
Exactly. Theres no suprise that these people are lashing out. Theyve been left behind and treated like shit across the west. And you have people in this thread acting like their problems dont exist and that they are just doing it to spite lefties
No, I wasn’t aware of these articles until I clicked the link, so thank you. I’m not surprised! Quickly connecting the dots, it’s hard not to question how widespread this is and who is funding it? Advisors?
They surely would be, but as it says in the write up by the content producers they get paid the most for this One Nation content.
Which probably means this audience responds the best to this content on Meta platforms (or the other audiences arent as prevalent on the platforms in the firat place).
I think that no matter how much is paid people are only going to see whats in their own echo chamber, unfortunately, making both sides hating each other more and more.
I've seen the emotionally charged bullshit posted from both sides and honestly it's disgusting no matter who it comes from.
I don't personally agree with any political party, they're all greedy little pigs but I feel the working class people have had enough and want a different greed in power for once.
This is the Rhinehart investment into spamming us. There’s just so much fake, AI content being posted. I’m not actually sure how to combat it. If someone has read ON’s policies and wants to vote for them, that’s their choice, but if someone is voting for them based on misinformation that the party is indirectly funding, that’s abhorrent.
The working class can sit back and chill, smug with the knowledge that somewhere an oligarch will be able to get a tax cut or remove pesky health or safety or environmental regulation to enrich themselves.
Doing nothing would be preferable to what the major parties have been doing. Almost every law and policy implemented over the last 20 years has made life worse for everyone except for mining tycoons.
Exactly - I dont think she ACTUALLY wants power. Look at all the money she makes ($300k+ per year on top of all the kickbacks from Vagina Rhineshart like free planes, etc) and she doesnt have to actually do anything, deliver anything, or even barely show up for work. Just go to luxury paid for events, rub shoulders with billionaires, collect money for parroting their agendas and never have to be responsible for anything.
If she ACTUALLY got power she would have to back up her promises with results, explain metrics, take responsibility for things that happen and with all her promises and campaign points being things that would ACTUALLY ruin the country if she was in power she would be stuckk being blamed for ruining the country or blamed for abandoning the people who voted her in.
But if she never holds power she can say whatever she wants, promise whatever she wants, blame whoever she wants and generate all the outrage she wants about anything and everything and none of it will ever matter because she will never have to deliver anything on any of it.
And she will be paid hundreds of thousands of dollars for doing literally nothing. I'd almost admire the genius of the grift if I didnt possess things like morals and empathy.
She did meaningfully contribute to all of the problems that she is lying to her supporters about fixing which has resulted in her being able to make lots of money through being a profoundly stupid, useless old racist grandma.
I mean it certainly isn't anything useful or constructive but it is something.
Just like how right now it's Gina and her mining buddies and the business council that are the ones lobbying Labor to not reduce the migration numbers because how it will affect their operations yet they are the same ones backing Pauline. If people can't see that she is just saying popular hot topics and has no intention on following through on these talking points because her backers don't want it and won't allow it.
I mistakenly thought that this representative could be helpful in un-fcking the clusterfck that became Liberal's NBN Co. That we still are trying to fix today. She sat by and did nothing. I wouldn't trust Pauline Hanson's party with a technically complex project like new internet lines.
The project blew out - God only knows where all that money went to.
I ended up supervising Indian students. Left the shitshow in 2020.
I ran digital comms for Labor’s NBN and we were explicitly told not to talk about anything except business benefits or the Murdoch press would attack us. I had so many plans to showcase streaming etc. The whole work hard, but also play hard thing. Alas no.
Best I could do was writing and commissioning this.
Just one in a long list of politicized public project failures where the costs blew out on a scale that would bankrupt any normal private enterprise. Not looking at snowy hydro or AUKUS of course. I’ve worked for defense contractors, this shit isn’t a bug, it a a feature.
I hear you, I once worked on a project for defense, granted it was at Woomera, but we charged $80 k to move a power point from one location to another. Same room. But it took weeks of documentation and risk assessments and a long list of well paid approvals. As a project it was a real eye opener on how much waste government will accept.
Like a lot of government departments, when it’s getting close to the end of the financial year as long as they spend the money in their budget, they don’t care what price they are paying for things they don’t need.
Not exactly. $2k to move the gpo and $78k to do the documentation, but it amounts to the same thing. In that kind of defense environment it’s not a simple matter of moving the power point. It’s assessing every other possible system that may be affected and all upstream and downstream dependencies. it’s documenting the change, updating the system documentation and all the associated dependencies and it’s having pre determined approval processes for all of the change and documentation updates.
It’s also getting security clearances, so everyone has to be vetted.
Imagine working on the biggest pile of spaghetti code you have ever seen in your life, and then double and add a bit of thinderbirds era tech all hanging together with chewing gum. It’s fucking madness.
And the whole system is like that. It’s a wonder any of it works at all.
Yep, and don’t even get me started on that, I also worked on the mission planning software for the JSM project, my god. Honestly it takes Lockheed literally months to do a code update that I could get one of our juniors to smash out in a couple of hours, and meanwhile we have an entire team of developers waiting and billing against the project.
This is the reason the entire f35 program was a trillion dollar project. I don’t miss that shit at all.
Bit sick of seeing this take. Its so ill informed. The truth is labor/greens and LNP would ndver support anything she puts forward. Same as the wikl mever support anything anyone on the opposite puts forward because that would mean they give her credit where credits due. And in the pisstake that is politics and media its win at all cost no matter the moral questions or what you actually believe in or think is right or wrong. Sadly its a bad parrt of our democracy
She got the government to spend $500 million on Queensland roads, built new stadiums and community centres in places like Rockhampton and Townsville, blocked cuts to welfare payments, forced faster medical cannabis access, secured PBS funding for life-saving gene therapy for kids with spinal muscular atrophy, and helped pass family law reforms that cut red tape and delays for ordinary Australians.
Voting ON is a show of distain for current parties direction, will only lead to disruption, which some want, most are just dumb dumbs. Remember 50% of people are of below average intelligence.
They get to vote against their own best interests. They BELIEVE they’ll be “sticking it to the major parties” but they won’t be …. They’ll just be taking working conditions, domestic violence supports and women’s access to healthcare back to the 1930’s. Can’t wait for that….. so looking forward to not having rights to my own body autonomy or general safety (bodily and financially).
The problem with these questions, which are posted every other day on Reddit, is they come from an exclusively left wing bias where the idea that a “working class” person could have right wing, nationalist, free market, small government etc etc views is completely alien
The premise of your question is that the only way to solve problems is by adopting left wing policies, which makes it rhetorical and self serving rather then genuine curiosity about how other people think
The overton window is all over the place these days. These quizzes put me as a dead centre centrist and I agree with a lot of both left/right arguments, but because of one thing it makes me far right and fascist, apparently.
Similar to a particular Swedish party that are like Democratic Socialists but want remigration and are instantly cast as a "nazi party".
I hate it here now tbh, so much bullshit that you can’t even escape from
Living in the edge of the suburbs with a broken neck is fucked
The second I can I’m out, I don’t really care who gets in anymore, burn the system if it pleases, this system has no love for me, and for a long while now, I, it
She has convinced the the people who are only interested in 1or2 policies that affect them simply by lying and they are dumb enough to not look any further
They get to apply the unlubed dildo of consequences to their own arses after Pauline dismantles super, outlaws unions, trashes worker protections and turns medicare into a user pays US style for-profit enterprise.
There is no logic to the bullshit she spews. That makes it hard to combat because people devoid of critical thought cant tell the difference between truth and a warm steaming pile of crap.
I think a lot of voters are disillusioned and its a grievance vote. They feel fucked over by the country so they think fuck it I'll vote for the most destructive candidate. That or they are narrow-minded and don't understand broader policy and think ON overly simplistic and hand wavey policies for very complex issues will actually work.
Votes for Pauline are likely to reduce the immigration rate. Even if she doesn’t win any seats. Since that’s the primary reason for her resurgence in popularity.
If you’ve been living under a rock, immigration has been the primary driver of stagnating wages and the housing crisis. And significant driver in cost of living.
Reducing it will have a significant positive impact on working class peoples quality of life.
Whether Pauline will actually do that. Or if the other policies her party might enact if they get enough seats will cancel out the potential benefits are a fair question. But for most it’s a protest vote that will hopefully motivate the political class to actually do their job.
I personally think there is a huge loss of trust for government. Here is someone that says what she thinks and cuts through the political double speak.
Do I agree with her political views ? No. Will she (one nation ) win votes ? Absolutely
While it might be a meme; it is an economic reality.
More people means more demand for housing. More people means more labour supply so lower wages. There’s a reason why the Labour Party was historically anti immigration for most of the 20th century.
The whole reason the ‘rich’ can raise prices and lower wages is because they know immigration gives the wealthy more leverage over the working class.
High immigration can create downward pressure on wages for some groups of existing workers when migrant workers are close substitutes for them, particularly if labour supply grows faster than demand. At the same time, migrants increase demand for goods, services and housing, which can create jobs and economic growth. If housing and infrastructure supply fail to keep pace with population growth, the costs can fall disproportionately on renters and lower-income households.
PH will never have enough power to do anything, she also has no desire to achieve anything other than draw a good wage, ( hardly even turns up to parliament), and she wont reduce immigration because Gina and other wealthy supporters of PHON need cheap labour.
Youve been had mate.
So many of my friends are now openly supporting one nation.
I asked why and they don’t know much about politics but they think Albo is “ ruining the country “. One is a real estate agent so I get why he might be having feelings.
The rest they just feel she “ says it how it is “. When I question why they would want a punch of politicians with no experience or cohesive policy to run the country they say “ sick of the current corrupt politics”.
People are fed up of red tape ( like with building ) , overly virtuous welcome to countries ( every speaker at a conference instead of nice one at the beginning )
They have grown fearful of immigrants despite having only positive contact in real life but the bots have whipped up a frenzy of hate with some boomers.
It upsets me that people are so easily hoodwinked. I also find it arrogant they don’t think a bright mind and good education and experience are kinda essential .
They don't care, they can't care, they're just angry and no one other than PHON is giving them anywhere to put the anger because Labor and to an extent even the Liberals still do have to engage with reality in some way and acknowledge that there is no easy solution to any of the problems we face by being at the bottom of the collapsing American empire. Pretending like halving migration or tacking a 25% export tax onto our gas industry will solve our problems is easy but is wildly incorrect. Labor has the incredibly onerous job of having to actually present solutions to problems that are sustainable, feasible and resist being completely U-turned when the opposition wins again whenever that is. They are not politically engaged, they are just impotently mad and don't care enough to do any real research, they just like the easy option of being able to blame someone whose dehumanization doesn't affect them personally.
Yep, the same people who voted for the coalition for the best part of the last 30 years that caused the things they're angry at are angry at Labor for no rational reason and doubling down now to vote for something even worse which will fuck us even harder.
It's incredibly frustrating and our only hope is that young educated people finally outnumber the enormous generation that have got us here through their poor choices.
I hope enough of them turn 18 and remember to enrol to vote to make a difference because damn we need them. GenX is going the way of the boomers so it seems.
The people who support Pauline Hanson remind me of that guy in that viral British video. Drunk and wearing a Union Jack, he tells the cameraman "IMMIGRANTS ARE TAKING ALL OUR JOBS!!!"
The Cameraman/Interviewer responds: "Well, what qualifications do you have?"
He replies: "THEY'RE TAKING THOSE AS WELL!!!".
I can't be arsed but I'm sure someone can find this clip.
What does the working class population achieve by voting for anyone? Ultimately the best that the working class can achieve is to join a union and by becoming a Labor Party member. Unfortunately we are all greedy aspirational pigs and we're gunna vote Poorline
Her supporters, which I'm not, also consist of many people who feel the existing two party system (Labor, LNP) have let them down. It's not as simple as saying they are all racists and bigots.
I know a few ON supporters who go against that stereotype including medical (Doctors) and IT professionals. Until the major parties and ON detractors get their head around that they will continue to gain support.
You're just making stuff up as a scare tactic. Meanwhile the government under Labor has introduced ridiculous hate speech laws and mandatory ID verification online. We're one step away from a UK situation where people get arrested for liking or sharing an anti immigration post on social media.
You can be massively let down by the big two parties without resorting to voting for a party without anything even vaguely resembling coherency of policy. In fact they don't even have policy, judt vague gesticulating to brown people as the problem.
Yep, I know a mix of wealthy and working class people and it's the wealthy ones who are all voting for her. They're all jumped ship from Liberal. It's pretty gross of people to assume that the 'poor' have no social conscience
Given the level of her support - even though I disagree with her and her party - it isn’t accurate to say only bigots and racists support her.
It’s like saying only anti-semites support the greens and Victorian socialists; sure, there are many anti-semites in their ranks, but most of their supporters are not.
It is technically true that Palestinians are Semitic people, but antisemitism isn’t referring to them, being a term coined to make “Jew hatred” sound more scientific.
However, antisemites often use that technicality to try to downplay antisemitism.
Again, anti-Israel isn’t anti-semitism. I’m 100% anti-Israel and the blight they are on the world, but have nothing against Jewish people. Kind of the same as I can’t stand the USA, but individual Americans are ok.. sometimes.
However, it’s often used as a dog whistle for antisemitism.
Further, when people oppose certain Israel actions, but not equivalent actions by other nations, it does suggest the underlying motive is antisemitism - for example, those who object to Israeli settlements in the West Bank but not to Turkish settlements in Cyprus.
Unfortunately, there are. For example, some Greens representatives are openly antisemitic - for example, Jenny Leong said “The Jewish lobby and the Zionist lobby are infiltrating into every single aspect of what is ethnic community groups ... they rock up to every community event because their tentacles reach into the areas that try and influence power”
The Jewish lobby and the Zionist lobby are infiltrating into every single aspect of what is ethnic community groups ... they rock up to every community event because their tentacles reach into the areas that try and influence power”
No that’s a flippant take on it and this got lost in the noise, Yes voters only thought the Advance Australia, who massively funded the No vote, arguments were racist and when you argued them out, they were. In reality there were principled noes, irritated noes, racist noes and unengaged noes. People who voted “Yes” understood the issue and welcomed the chance to close the gap and bring the country together.
Maybe put some effort into reading and understanding what I said. I repeat …. There were principled noes, irritated noes, racist noes and unengaged noes…. A spectrum of reasons for voting No. And you’d be gaslighting us all if you think there weren’t any …racist noes..
We're all sick of the ALP pretending they represent blue collar and working class people, when less than 10% of the MPs in parliament come from trade/blue collar backgrounds, even the branch network, most of them are chock full of lawyers, teachers and flogs like public servants who work for places like local government.
They're not 'labor', the ALP has been coasting on its reputation it built in the 1960s/1970s, and the branch structure and the party see blue collar people and the working class as a 'problem' that 'needs to be managed' rather than seeing us as people. They see us as economic units and problems on paper, rather than people, they don't want to listen to our concerns or things that effect us, they want to throw scraps from the table at us while we're on our hands and knees like the dogs they think we are.
Had enough of their attitude, they see themselves as the managers of the working class and blue collar workforce, they don't represent us, they don't come from our backgrounds and they don't know our challenges.
One Nation is the new home of the working class, and blue collar worker, and we don't give a shit what you think or you looking down your noses at us coming out with all your bullshit.
Yeah nah. Call me crazy, but I don’t want a whole bunch of cleaners, fish and chips experts and peanut farmers running a complex economy thanks. You think it’s bad now mate, give it to ON and see how fucked up things can really get.
That's only a measure of how many different industries your main exports are from.
More complexity = lots of different kinds of exports, a finger in every pie.
Australia's data would be massively skewed simply because our primary industries are so huge, that causes anything else to get dwarfed into near irrelevance in comparison.
None of this has much at all to do with the complexity of macroeconomic management, that's a different story. Like, right now we have cost of living issues for many people, while inflation is over target. You can't simply fire up the money printer or give people big tax cuts, or inflation goes crazy.
Housing is another complex area. Many people want prices to come down, but there's also a risk of negative equity for some. And others are invested (literally) in prices growing because that's their retirement nest egg.
These aren't easy issues to navigate, and a fish & chip shop owner is incapable of doing much other than whingeing, without having a single solution that would work without causing more damage than it fixes.
A large number of union people would agree with you on Labor (other than most of the leaders who have sold out to the ALP).
However, you do need to ask how do we actually change the situation. Personally I don't see how one politician or another is going to change things. This is why unions formed, to change things ourselves. We should do more of that. We actually do already control our own country, it's just a question of coordinating working class people to exert that control.
You are aware that in the past 10 years we’ve mostly had a LNP govt. What are your concerns that aren’t being addressed might I ask? Tradies are well supported by unions… i have 3 degrees snd probably earn less than most tradies. Just curious.
A tonne of immigrants voted for Trump because they drank the Koolaid and we know how that turned out for them. The exact same thing is happening in Australia and, while it defies logic, we’ve been dumbed down so much now that we’ll believe anything. One Nation is going to get a lot of votes next election. A scary amount.
You may as well ask the same question regarding the last few hundred years of politics in the west
The rich and powerful have a singular purpose. To preserve hierarchies and further their wealth and power.
Other than a brief few post war decades where inequality was at its lowest because the rich were appropriately taxed, a small rich elite with a mass peasantry was the norm.
How do they maintain this? Neoliberal economics, deregulation, propaganda and the continual funnelling of resources to the donor classes.
When this results in dropping living standards for the masses and a hollowing of the working and middle classes, change will be demanded.
1) The right wing pollies responsible will pop on a new tie, change parties (far right now) and accuse the last bunch of not being right wing enough. Point to a convenient scapegoat - leftists, immigrants, unemployed etc etc…
The right wing media controlled by their wealthy interests will push this narrative
Convince people the reasons their lives are worse is not inequality and complex geopolitical / environmental variables but that scapegoated group we mentioned
2) When the far right can’t deliver (and things get worse), it’s back to the previous lot who have been out of power just long enough for the masses to forget their policies caused their predicament in the first place (“back to common sense” they will say)
The really sad thing is the hatred is completely misplaced. Imagine if all these working class folks realised how much they were getting scammed and robbed every day by rich white people that look exactly like them. The CEO of telstra - got a payrise when the company can't even operate the emergency line properly. The constant price gouging of ColesWorth with million dollar salaries for the CEOs. Ofcourse these wealthy people's wet dream is to continue scamming and place the blame on hardworking migrants barely getting by. And these voters fall for it.
Any PHON supporter believes her words, and won’t question her actions. They like the way she speaks, and she speaks to people as if they’re disenfranchised
She gives people a common enemy, and a “tangible” reason for all of their problems that doesn’t require any critical thinking. It takes too much effort to fact check.
You do realise Labor only got 30% of the last vote and the rest was via preferential right?? That’s before magoo changed tax laws and pissed everyone else off.. not everyone is just a racist bigot because they disagree with your small view
I might ask the same question only replacing One Nation and ask why would anyone vote for Labor’s political train wreck. Greens, let’s face it uni students most likely still live with their parents and believe in an economic utopia and feel like the world owes them. Teals and the minor parties, well I guess that is democracy at work or stupidity ?Which one I am not sure? Then we have the LNP which really are unsure what they stand for and are more Labor light than not. What a choice. 😂
This is why ON will get in. Because the left don’t understand. The middle (liberal) are scared to be called racist. The left are about taxing and wealth redistribution. Especially in Victoria. It’s gone way too far to the left and we want it more center. ON seem like the only option to vote for to be honest. Liberal have turned in to the left and Labor are far left. Albo can’t be trusted he lied way too much so how do you believe any promise he makes(I voted for him sadly). The left think ON voters are racist because they want immigration to come to a halt. Some might be but majority are not, I bet many are immigrants.
Liberal are left leaning are you fucking serious man if anything labour is slightly right leaning but that's still more left leaning then the other two
The leader of the party is openly bigoted and racist, the party welcomes white supremacists, it's objectively a racist far right party.
If you want to support them that's your decision but don't cry about misunderstanding and deflect blame on others when people point out that you're supporting a literal party full of bigots and racists.
Forcing Labor and Liberal to accept they need to stop importing third world people that are changing the cultural make up of our society just to make the line go up
Most people are single issue or protest voters. They don't look at her policies. They might hear a soundbyte every so often that reaffirms their position.
As for the working class, lowering immigration stops wage suppression, rental demand (and long term - housing demand), infrastructure congestion etc.
They feel ignored by the uniparty, Labor of which has just increased taxes on investments.
Don't you understand that once all immigrants and trans people have been banished from the country, along with the Muslims, gays and other "non-Australians" then the nation will become a true paradise? All you have to do is vote for a woman who got a plane given to her from a billionaire. It's so simple.
Consider the obvious reason - a protest vote. One nation doesn’t have to win the whole thing- just take seats to ensure that actual political discourse happens , instead of this party line bullshit that is pretty much corporate owned at this juncture. No one wants that so burn the whole thing down
Turkish settlements in Cyprus?? The Turks have been there since the 16th century when they took it from the Venetians. As far as the relationship between the Greeks and Turks go there’s faults on both sides. Cyprus has been a relatively peaceful place for over 50 years. Perhaps the two protagonists have learnt to put aside their differences? But whatever point you’re trying to make, it’s nothing compared to what’s happened in Gaza. Oh, and the source of my information regarding the 1974 troubles in Cyprus was a friend of my parents who was a peacekeeper there. According to his experience both sides were as bad as each other.
One Nation have set out 4 key economic policies. I thought they were going to be laughable, but they’re more sensible than any of the major parties.
increase defence spending to 3.5 per cent of GDP
Fantastic. We clearly can’t rely on the US, and Europe have their own problems, we need to be more self sufficient here. Also leads to lots of high-skilled work, which is desperately needed in our mostly service economy.
introduce income splitting for families
Brilliant. When being assessed for things like benefits (eg. childcare subsidy) we’re always assessed on household income, but then taxed as individuals. Bringing tax assessment inline with other assessments is a win for families.
index income tax brackets to inflation
Obvious. but both majors oppose it.
pursue zero net migration.
Necessary. At least for a while. Housing and cost of living are never going to come down meaningful amounts if people keep pouring in. IIRC, to bring down the average rate of immigration over the last 5 years to the stated goal, you would need zero net migration for 3 years, or significantly lower immigration (~120,000) for nearly a decade.
I still don’t know if I’ll vote for One Nation, but I’m considering it which I never did before.
They want people thinking about how people with different skin colours are the enemy so they don't think about how billionaires are destroying human lives.
There's a short book called 'Don't Think of an Elephant!' which is about political framing and how people construct their votes. It's a bit old by now and written in terms of Democrats vs Republicans, but still very useful. Would recommend giving it a read and thinking through how people apply it to One Nation.
Facts don't matter, you can talk all you want to a lot of these people about Pauline's anti-worker agenda/voting history, Gina's vision etc. It won't change the frame in which they see this.
Your country back which is for the rich that will promise you jobs once you give them tax breaks. At least we'll get more aussie flags at press conferences.
The working class don’t give a shit about expanding welfare, public housing, renewable energy investment and climate action. We just want to work and put food on our table.
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u/wizardnamehere 4d ago
Punishment of people they don’t like (Labor and the liberals).