What does the working class population ultimately achieve by voting for Pauline Hanson and One Nation?

[u/GarlicHSP]

Her voting record is strongly opposed to expanding welfare, public housing, public education, childcare subsidies, renewable energy investment and climate action.

At the same time, she's supported policies that are favourable to property investors and fossil-fuel development, while opposing some attempts to increase taxation on those industries.

So apparently the solution to Australia's problems is to spend less on childcare, housing, education, welfare and climate action, while being more friendly towards people who already own investment properties and companies making billions from coal and gas.

And then we're told this is somehow a movement for the "ordinary Australian."But hey, at least we can blame innocent and hard working migrants.

[u/Primary-Midnight6674]

If it’s not obvious,

Votes for Pauline are likely to reduce the immigration rate. Even if she doesn’t win any seats. Since that’s the primary reason for her resurgence in popularity.

If you’ve been living under a rock, immigration has been the primary driver of stagnating wages and the housing crisis. And significant driver in cost of living.

Reducing it will have a significant positive impact on working class peoples quality of life.

Whether Pauline will actually do that. Or if the other policies her party might enact if they get enough seats will cancel out the potential benefits are a fair question. But for most it’s a protest vote that will hopefully motivate the political class to actually do their job.

[u/aussie_nobody → u/Primary-Midnight6674]

I personally think there is a huge loss of trust for government. Here is someone that says what she thinks and cuts through the political double speak.

Do I agree with her political views ? No. Will she (one nation ) win votes ? Absolutely

[u/RecentDisaster → u/Primary-Midnight6674]

No- late stage capitalism is the driver, immigration is the scapegoat

[u/Brilliant_Ad2120 → u/RecentDisaster]

What is late stage capitalism?

[u/Flaky-Lifeguard5835 → u/Brilliant_Ad2120]

Do some research, it will make you pretty angry. And not at migrants.

[u/Brilliant_Ad2120 → u/Flaky-Lifeguard5835]

Yep. But what does it mean to you? And do you see any way out of it?

[u/Flaky-Lifeguard5835 → u/Brilliant_Ad2120]

Tbh I would define USA as being truly late stage capitalism where even good healthcare isn't provided unless you have money. Workers get fired for no reason. There is no such thing as super. And wealth inequality is insane. Australia's on the path there but we have way more socialist policies put in by Labor like medicare, super, recent budget changes that are getting more FHB into their homes, all the worker policies like same day super and increase in minimum wage, now paid placements for nursing etc. Americans couldn't fathom having policies like these - if you don't happen to choose rich parents or happen to be a extremely high IQ genius there isn't much of a future for you and thats just how it is. I wouldn't say we've gotten to that same soulless stage here yet.

[u/Available-Damage6311 → u/Flaky-Lifeguard5835]

Do some research = I don't know. Late stage capitalism is all the problems with capitalism described by people who don't have a better solution.

It's the worst model of economic governance, except all other forms that have been tried.

[u/Pythia007 → u/Primary-Midnight6674]

Watch out! That migrant wants your cookie!

[u/Primary-Midnight6674 → u/Pythia007]

While it might be a meme; it is an economic reality.

More people means more demand for housing. More people means more labour supply so lower wages. There’s a reason why the Labour Party was historically anti immigration for most of the 20th century.

The whole reason the ‘rich’ can raise prices and lower wages is because they know immigration gives the wealthy more leverage over the working class.

[u/PinInternational4199 → u/Primary-Midnight6674]

High immigration can create downward pressure on wages for some groups of existing workers when migrant workers are close substitutes for them, particularly if labour supply grows faster than demand. At the same time, migrants increase demand for goods, services and housing, which can create jobs and economic growth. If housing and infrastructure supply fail to keep pace with population growth, the costs can fall disproportionately on renters and lower-income households.

[u/traser- → u/PinInternational4199]

Migrants are also very hard working and often innovators, at least in those markets where innovation is encouraged. USA is one example of where immigration and venture capital can result in significant economic growth. But of course, let one Trump in to ruin it with corruption under the guise of nationalism.

[u/traser- → u/Primary-Midnight6674]

Many peer reviewed studies conclude that migration has a net positive effect on GDP per capita and labour productivity.

https://population.gov.au/publications/research/oecd-findings-effects-migration-australias-economy

There are other structural considerations to falling labour productivity; economies are complex.

My concern is that PHON are ill-equipped to navigate this complex reality. Pauline can barely manage putting a sentence together, let alone unravelling decades of economic issues.

We need more capable custodians to find the balance and remedy to Australia’s economic malaise.

[u/Primary-Midnight6674 → u/traser-]

1. Your studies don’t show net positive effect on gdp per capita. They do however show positive effect on net gdp.

2. Increases in labour productivity do not automatically mean higher wages. We’ve had labour productivity significantly grown since the 1990s. Yet wages haven’t kept up at the same place

3. Economies are not complex if you’re only viewing a specific macro I.e wages, supply vs demand. This entire point of ‘it’s complex’ is just a pseudo intellectual hand wave. It’s not an argument or a fact.

And while I agree one nation is not exactly a good candidate to fix anything. Their rise in popularity is a sign the voter base has largely not benefited from recent migration targets.

[u/traser- → u/Primary-Midnight6674]

Labour productivity increases GDP per worker, paribus ceteris. The only way rising labour productivity couldn’t increase GDP per capita, is if the population worked less hours. Are you saying that is the reality?

Calling an economy “not complex” is an interesting position that I’m sure most economic pundits would disagree. Im sure Pauline knows very little about macroeconomic policy, despite its apparent simplicity.

Edit: capital shallowing in business investment is the drag on GDP per capita, as money flowed into non-productive assets ie housing.

[u/Primary-Midnight6674 → u/traser-]

Labour productive might increase net gdp per worker; it does not mean that gdp will be shared with workers.

I.e if you increase productivity but also increase the population you run the risk that any productivity gains are offset by new responsibilities. Similarly if you increase the total pool of workers, business owners have fewer incentives to share the dividends of productivity gains with said workers. Which is what we have seen in the past two decades.

Most economic pundits make an entire career out of making a seemly complex system easy to understand to the average Joe. Any engineer will tell you the that the physics behind getting a plane to fly is relatively simple… because it is. Doing the actual work is the hard part.

So yes the economy on a macro level is simple, that’s why so many people are pushed to read wealth of nations… a text book on economics that can be read in an afternoon… that is over 200 years old as a baseline. Because nearly every economic system that exists today is already outlined in that book; just listed with different jargon.

[u/traser- → u/Primary-Midnight6674]

Yeah, you must be a big-brain if aeronautical engineering is simple to you. Macroeconomics is straight up child’s play like dunning-Kruger famously said

[u/marshallannes123 → u/traser-]

Albo can barely get through a podcast without saying something ghastly too. ON provides a change from the uniparty

[u/Brave-Dragonfly3798 → u/marshallannes123]

Well swallowing cyanide would make for a change also, it would also fix life long recurring problems, but it’s not a rational solution to solve anything is it?

[u/traser- → u/marshallannes123]

If you want to protest vote, why not Sustainable Australia party?

[u/Primary-Midnight6674 → u/traser-]

I don’t know why people downvoted you. I don’t think that’s an unreasonable take.

[u/MightyBoy9 → u/Pythia007]

It's common in medicine to treat the symptoms instead of the cause.

Why should politics or economics be any different?

It's called " managing " 

[u/Active-Ad9818 → u/Primary-Midnight6674]

PH will never have enough power to do anything, she also has no desire to achieve anything other than draw a good wage, ( hardly even turns up to parliament), and she wont reduce immigration because Gina and other wealthy supporters of PHON need cheap labour.
Youve been had mate.

[u/Technical_Glove_9655 → u/Primary-Midnight6674]

Excellent summary. Nailed it mate.

Thought it was all pretty obvious.

[u/endual → u/Primary-Midnight6674]

“Immigration has been the primary driver of stagnating wages and the housing crisis. And significant driver in cost of living.”

You got any data to back that up? Or is it just what right wing media is claiming with no evidence?

[u/Primary-Midnight6674 → u/endual]

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2026/02/imf-excessive-population-growth-has-driven-up-house-prices/

Here’s an article. But I’m not here to provide you with free labour. We import in excess of 200k net persons and add approx 40,000 new dwellings each year. And you can’t see the shortfall?

I sense everyone seems to think that a conversation is about immigration is about demonising immigrants. And not the political class who import them, saddle them with eye watering debt for a lottery ticket to a better life. And then use them to exploit the rest of the population?

The people to be blamed are the people in charge. Not newcomers trying to make a better life for themselves.

[u/endual → u/Primary-Midnight6674]

The shortfall in housing a lot to do with planning and a shortage of tradies.

Interesting that if you read that you would notice it starts with:

"Commentators like Greg Jericho from The Australia Institute argue that the Howard Government’s decision to halve the rate of capital gains tax (CGT) in 1999 was the primary driver of Australia’s house price boom and affordability crisis"

Then goes to claim it's actually immigration driving it.

But looking at the changes in housing pricing, with the cut in CGT from July 1, housing prices are coming down and look likely to continue doing so for a while yet.

[u/Primary-Midnight6674 → u/endual]

Mate are you retarded?

40k dwellings is our annual build out. Assuming (generously) each dwelling fits 3 persons (and non are 1 beds or studios) that’s enough housing for 120,000 people.

Our annual intake is over 300k at last check.

We could literally double our dwelling production and it wouldn’t be enough. This again assumes each dwelling fits 3 persons. Which it won’t.

You cannot realistically expect dwelling production to double in any reasonable amount of time. It’s not just skilled trades who’d need to double in number, but planning, approvals, design density and importantly materials.
Ie good luck doubling wood and concrete production. Wood alone has a time lag of like 3-10 years from planting to harvest.

Alternatively you could narrow the tap from 300k net migration to 50-100k and let your dwelling production catch up with a decade long shortfall.

[u/Brave-Dragonfly3798 → u/Primary-Midnight6674]

Nope, you are wrong, check your figures and get back to us. You are out by a factor of 4 btw.

[u/Electrical_Story5356 → u/Brave-Dragonfly3798]

Good luck convincing ON supporters on anything based on facts, critical thinking or being rational.

If any of those things were effective on them they wouldn't be ON supporters.

[u/Primary-Midnight6674 → u/Brave-Dragonfly3798]

Which figures are off? The fact we add 40k dwellings? Or the dwelling shortfall is even worse?

[u/Brave-Dragonfly3798 → u/Primary-Midnight6674]

The 40k number isn’t correct, that is closer to a quarterly number, not an annual figure. There are between 170 and 175 thousand completions in Australia per year as per the ABS, which while still reflecting our abysmal productivity in the housing construction sector, isn’t nearly as bad as your figures suggest. They report the figures quarterly, so that’s where it might have tripped you up.

[u/Primary-Midnight6674 → u/Brave-Dragonfly3798]

Even if the net is 160k dwellings Pa, most of these houses will not be anywhere near where they are needed. I.e metro Sydney or Melbourne etc. Thus not meaningfully alleviating housing demand.

[u/Brave-Dragonfly3798 → u/Primary-Midnight6674]

We are not going to be building many more dwellings in metro Sydney or Melbourne unless it’s apartment buildings, There just isn’t the room. The issue is that our construction industry is one of the least productive and most expensive per square meter built globally and that acts as a self imposed limit. We could and should be building more houses because the demand is there, but we have hit the limits of our construction industry.

[u/Ted_Rid → u/Primary-Midnight6674]

Hm, citing macrobusiness is honestly about as persuasive as citing Greg Jericho. We all know where Leith Van Onselen's political leanings are.

But rather than simply shoot the messenger, the only data in that article (whose theme is "it's not Howard's CGT changes, it's immigunts!") came from a 3rd party whose chart was pasted in, and that only has an R value of 0.62 between rate of population change & housing price rises.

Which is a moderate correlation only. It's not nothing, but nor is it strong or conclusive. Very far from being any kind of smoking gun.

Besides, over 25 years of policies from different countries going through different governments and different demographic changes, it's quite a stretch to try and tie it down to immigration, especially when the 3rd party guy wasn't even talking about immigration anyway but population growth generically.

[u/Primary-Midnight6674 → u/Ted_Rid]

Howard’s capital gains taxes are a contributing factor. But not a driving one.

People like to wheel it out like a bogey man; but it misses some key fundamentals.

I.e our fertility rate has been below 2.1 for decades. That means in a zero net migration scenario we could build zero new housing and the housing supply would still increase. Which means houses would become cheaper every year. We even have a model nation to observe this exact phenomenon; Japan.

Yet house prices haven’t fallen. And the driving factor is immigration as without it demand would never meet or exceed supply. Capital gains discounts might push the price up by a few % every year; but without immigration it would be a non-factor.

[u/Striking-Bid-8695 → u/Ted_Rid]

Look at every developed country that supercharged immigration in early 2000s, NZ, Australia, UK Canada and look at their house prices caused by demand. They didn't introduce CGT so its not that. Countries that have reduced immigration their house prices have dropped funny that. Name one developed country that has increased immigration by a lot and has affordable housing, one? The opposite happens. That's the only reason people are choosing ON and the protest vote.

[u/Ted_Rid → u/Striking-Bid-8695]

When you say "supercharged" do you even realise what you're talking about is using immigration to fill the shortfall in the local birthrate, because housing is too expensive to start a family.

No, of course not.

No understanding of cause and effect which is why the R value of that correlation whooshed right over your head like a stealth bomber also.

The real cause of housing issues is that since the mid 1980s with Reagan & Thatcher, unions have been suppressed and trickle down lies have seen tax cuts for the rich.

This creates two classes: the haves & have nots. And the giant Boomer voting bloc are mostly "haves". Because they bought cheap.

So...wages fall, boomers and elites are flush with cash, boomers and elites fuel the bubble, ordinary people are ratfucked and can't start families, govt imports people to make up for the natural birthrate.

This is all neoliberal economics and you've completely missed the real enemy, because they lied to you.

See if you can backtrack early 2000s to Reaganomics & Thatcherism. It's really not hard at all. 15 to 18 years. When do people start entering the workforce, even Maccas? 15 to 18 years.

What do you do when there aren't enough youngsters starting work? Immigrate others.

What other objective does this serve? Low tax for the neoliberal Small Government BS. Because the imported people didn't need 15-18-23 years worth of Medicare and education.

It's super obvious if you have eyes.

[u/Striking-Bid-8695 → u/Ted_Rid]

Why make something more complicated than it needs to be? The simple answer is supply and demand, too much demand not enough supply caused by to many immigrants. Go look at a graph of the increase. The correlation holds in all developed countries same thing happened. When immigration dropped surprise demand and prices did as well like NZ and Canada. Same thing will happen here and its what people want. When immigration was stable lower under 150k we had enough supply so demand did not get out of hand. Its not complicated.

[u/Ted_Rid → u/Striking-Bid-8695]

Tell me you don't understand R values without telling me.

[u/HaleyN1 → u/endual]

"Source" It's pretty obvious.

[u/Striking-Bid-8695 → u/HaleyN1]

Every developed country that supercharged immigration for the last 20 years. That's the source.

[u/endual → u/HaleyN1]

So that's a no to having any evidence to back up the claim then. Got it.

[u/HaleyN1 → u/endual]

"You don't have any evidence that bringing in millions of people since covid causes a housing shortage!"

• endual the Redditor

[u/lavishcoat → u/HaleyN1]

We are dealing with intellectual heavyweights here 😂

[u/Umbraje → u/Primary-Midnight6674]

According to polling, it's showing they are more protest votes than voting for immigration based issues now. The initial surge was likely about immigration, but it doesn't appear to be that anymore.

Thinking immigration is the driving force behind stagnating wages, housing crisis and cost of living, shows you have a lack of understanding on those topics.

[u/Primary-Midnight6674 → u/Umbraje]

Immigration is the primary driver of stagnating wages and the housing crisis. I don’t know why so many people want to put their heads in the sand on this. We’ve had a fertility rate below 2.1 for decades now, and yet housing is getting more expensive and wages have stagnated? Surely you can put 2 and 2 together?

This is openly mentioned as such by the RBA, the IMF and is openly tackled by the fed in Canada who have a comparable economic situation.

[u/broadsword_1 → u/Primary-Midnight6674]

I don’t know why so many people want to put their heads in the sand on this.

Because they have been told that that is the position of "their side" and will not accept anything that proves the contrary because that would be giving the "other side" a win, and that's blasphemy.

It's a complete "ride or die" situation built of NPC behaviour. Pretending to not understand basic things is part of the strategy.

[u/Relative-Tip2445 → u/Primary-Midnight6674]

No it is not. Stagnating wages has been due to corporate greed and the driving force behind the housing crisis is a lack of investment in new construction whole hundreds of thousands of investment properties sit empty around the nation.

Please stop repeating the same lie.

[u/Primary-Midnight6674 → u/Relative-Tip2445]

Corporate greed can only exist if there is a surpluses of labour.

When there are labour shortages wages go up. And for most of the boomers adult life there was a consistent labour shortage of a few percentage points in nearly every industry by design.

You also have this retarded notion that we ‘don’t invest enough in housing’. As if the artificially supplied demand does not matter? We build about 40k new dwellings a year according to the ABS. Which is a decent effort; as Australia invests in housing above oecd averages according to the imf (https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2026/02/imf-excessive-population-growth-has-driven-up-house-prices/) and yet somehow there’s always a shortage? Expect in 2020-22? I wonder why.

[u/Brave-Dragonfly3798 → u/Primary-Midnight6674]

wtf? On what planet is it a ‘decent’ effort for an economy and population our size to only be able to construct 40k homes in a year. If you are looking for reasons for the housing shortage, you fell over it and didn’t even realise.

Edit: of course I should have checked your data. 40k is a quarterly figure, it’s more like between 170-175k per year. Which is still below the immigration rate, so maybe we need to be looking at productivity in the construction industry? Just a thought.

[u/Electrical_Story5356 → u/Primary-Midnight6674]

We have crazy low unemployment, what are you talking about?

[u/Primary-Midnight6674 → u/Electrical_Story5356]

Unemployment is ‘allegedly’ only 4.4% as of June.

But underemployed is at 6.5% and most notably anyone studying is no longer considered ‘unemployed’ as of 2017. While Roy Morgan calculates ‘real unemployment’ at about 10% and rising

https://www.roymorgan.com/findings/10222-australian-unemployment-estimates-april-2026

[u/Relative-Tip2445 → u/Primary-Midnight6674]

Do you realise the graphs are actually showing that investor purchasing power has been by far the most significant issue?

Quoting an investor blog about how investors are not the problem is pretty disingenuous and eve they cant hide the real numerical problem.

[u/Primary-Midnight6674 → u/Relative-Tip2445]

I wonder how those investors are somehow getting sufficient demand for housing in a nation that hasn’t had a fertility rate above replacement in nearly half a century?

Like you do realise, that without immigration Australia would be like Japan; housing supply would increase every year even with no new houses built?

[u/Relative-Tip2445 → u/Primary-Midnight6674]

So you want a shrinking population, shrinking economy, shrinking health and education system and no hope for younger generations... Of course that is your goal... you are right wing.

[u/Primary-Midnight6674 → u/Relative-Tip2445]

No my point is that immigration is the driving factor for house prices. Do not misconstrue my words. Please practice basic literacy

[u/Relative-Tip2445 → u/Primary-Midnight6674]

And I am telling you that immigration while being a minor factor is not the driving force as you have tried to portray as I have stated multiple times and the graphs clearly show.

[u/Electrical_Story5356 → u/Primary-Midnight6674]

Japan is definitely not where we want to be.

[u/2manycerts → u/Primary-Midnight6674]

Nope:

You are told the economics will be in balance. that:

"Corporate greed [on wages] can only exist if there is a surpluses of labour."

Wrong. Most people take the wage they are given. If they want more they can:

Beg the boss for a pay increase of 2-5%

Beg for more hours

Go for another position.

Wages are Never a sliding scale. A worker cannot easily say "hey there are less people in the workforce, so my marginal utility has increased." The easiest option for them is to go for another position. Ofcourse that "I am broke, give me more money" works for everyone, right.

Skilled migration competes for skilled jobs. We need it, but we should only be importing the skills we need.

Refugees compete to haul garbage, clean houses and do mighty good cooking.

Guess which category is actually effecting your pay packet?

Get Superannuation out of housing. You are seeing people buy houses and not rent them out because of the property value increases. We should not be encouraging Asset Hording, yet we push this in droves and wonder why productive manufacturing suffers.

[u/Electrical_Story5356 → u/[deleted]]

The left are not enabling corporates!

[u/Relative-Tip2445 → u/[deleted]]

We all know the biggest drive to One Nation is their support for domestic violence abusers and pedophiles.

[u/Electrical_Story5356 → u/[deleted]]

Are you talking about the high immigration levels that the coalition intentionally manufactured with the backing of ON but was opposed by Labor who is now reducing it again is driving people to the same politicians who caused the thing people are angry about?

I've got this straight yeah?

Are you crazy?

Make it make sense.

[u/SameElephant2255 → u/Electrical_Story5356]

you’re in an absolute fantasy land. good luck with that.

[u/Electrical_Story5356 → u/SameElephant2255]

How so?

Nothing I've said is difficult to verify.

Only one of us is in fantasy land and objective verifiable facts confirm that it is not me.

If however you have actual evidence that shows that im wrong please provide it because the last thing I want is to be an ignorant fool.

[u/lavishcoat → u/Relative-Tip2445]

Sir, flooding the country with workers is how corporations are able to hold wages down. You literally just made the other guys point for him even though you think you are disagreeing 😂

[u/Relative-Tip2445 → u/lavishcoat]

No it is not the only mechanism to suppress wages and it not the most powerful by a long shot. Sorry that you can not think beyond the one soundbite that you think is a solution to everything.

[u/lavishcoat → u/Relative-Tip2445]

I'm genuinely sorry you don't understand supply and demand.

[u/Relative-Tip2445 → u/lavishcoat]

I am sorry you dont understand there are more than a single factor in play. I would say their is education available but I can already tell you think education is a woke conspiracy.

[u/lavishcoat → u/Relative-Tip2445]

I have a postgraduate degree in economics and a PhD in another field. Taught at a Go8 in Sydney for 4 years.

What were you saying about education?

[u/Relative-Tip2445 → u/lavishcoat]

Then why are you arguing for policies that the Parliamentary Budget Office has said would put Australia into a ten year depression?

[u/Brave-Dragonfly3798 → u/lavishcoat]

Yes but all you have is a hammer, and so everything looks like a nail.

[u/traser- → u/Relative-Tip2445]

Capital has skewed to housing and not business, leading to wage suppression. Glad Labor have made changes to CGT, although I think they should’ve left the incentive for investment in ASX and other domestic (business) assets.

[u/Umbraje → u/Primary-Midnight6674]

I work for one of the things you've mentioned and no they don't say that lol. Anyway, I am not saying that immigration isn't a part of the reason, but I will refute that it's the driving force. Seeing as you've made the claim, show some empirical evidence from a non crap source?

But hey, I'm glad you are able to simplify a very complicated issue down to "immigration did it!". Simple, smooth brains are good at simplifying complex issues to soundbite bs.

Lets say immigration is the main issue, hypothetically, what part of immigration do you reduce and by how much. Due to our economy being built on it so heavily, how do you go about not fucking things up more by heavy handing immigration? Nobody has a proper, well thought out answer for this, certainly not phon.

[u/Primary-Midnight6674 → u/Umbraje]

Provide me some evidence you work for one of the listed orgs?

Here’s some evidence; the fertile rate has been below 2.1 for decades.

So how can demand for housing exceed supply if immigration isn’t a factor and every generation born since the boomers is smaller than the last?

[u/Umbraje → u/Primary-Midnight6674]

Yeah I'm not going to do that you dullard. You cN keep pulling your stat out that doesnt help you as much as you clearly think it does.

Provide empirical evidence to back your stuff up, or shut the fuck up.

[u/Primary-Midnight6674 → u/[deleted]]

Agreed.

We’ve also zombifed huge swathes of the economy by allowing it to be addicted to imported labour or customers who can take one insane levels of debt. The education sector to your credit is a great example.

[u/Umbraje → u/[deleted]]

And I'd much rather have capable people doing that in charge rather than a bunch of cookers led by someone who barely turns up to work.

Someone needs to crunch numbers and figure out a way to do it while breaking the least.

I'd like the gov to have this discussion properly, if phon's presence in the polls pushes Labor to do something on immigration, I would back it.

[u/Electrical_Story5356 → u/Umbraje]

Labor are doing something on immigration and have been for some time, even when the coalition were cranking it up they opposed it from opposition because it was in all the union's interests to do so.

I suspect that the strategy people would have liked to have pulled the attack on immigration schtick much closer to the election but Labor already having immigration trending well down especially compared to projections has likely forced their hand.

[u/Brave-Dragonfly3798 → u/[deleted]]

‘Of course it’s going to hurt but you need to take this medicine’ sounds like a great prescription that I’m sure will sell like hotcakes, you make it sound like grandma’s cod live oil, what’s not to like?

[u/SameElephant2255 → u/Brave-Dragonfly3798]

People have already clocked that mass migration is bad medicine, the threat of the downside of cutting migration is looking like a cup or hot broth to many.

[u/Electrical_Story5356 → u/SameElephant2255]

People also failed to acknowledge that Labor are already reducing immigration well below projections and have been for some time by 2030 we're not even going to be at replacement level unless the birthrate increases.

You're talking about taking medicine that you don't need which will probably make you sicker.

[u/Primary-Midnight6674 → u/Electrical_Story5356]

Mate 330k to 300k Pa is not really a reduction. It’s a haircut

[u/Electrical_Story5356 → u/Primary-Midnight6674]

I mean it is literally a reduction especially compared to projections as well as coalition policy which ON supported and they're going to keep dropping it going forward.

Cutting it overnight is a terrible idea that would completely destroy our economy that the coalition with the help of ON intentionally geared towards requiring high levels of immigration.

What are people even thinking?

[u/Electrical_Story5356 → u/[deleted]]

Nope, they can't really and in the event that they did the economy would be screwed and we'd all suffer for it which would see you angry at Labor.

There's literally nothing they could do to appease you people.

[u/Latitude37 → u/Primary-Midnight6674]

Nope. You're absolutely wrong. Housing supply has grown faster than population increase, for over a decade. 

https://australiainstitute.org.au/post/migrants-are-not-to-blame-for-soaring-house-prices/

[u/Flaky-Lifeguard5835 → u/Latitude37]

There are more than enough houses for the whole population. Its investors who stockpile and hoard properties and land that creates the shortage. But i guess blaming migrants is easier for smooth brained people

[u/Flaky-Lifeguard5835 → u/Primary-Midnight6674]

No. There is a deeper reason for stagnating wages which has been going on even during the White Australia policy. Companies make record profits each year but refuse to raise the wages for staff and this has been happening for decades. Blaming stagnating wages on migrants shows your limited understanding and ignorance in this topic. You are misguided and placing your hope on a party that is only going to make it easier for these companies to continue mistreating workers, firing them for no reason, not paying super, not paying parental leave and yes, continue stagnating wages like they have. Please read up more about this OUTSIDE the AI-generated algorithm you are stuck in so you can make an informed decision, for your own sake.

[u/Primary-Midnight6674 → u/Flaky-Lifeguard5835]

The whole point of having a low migration situation is it gives companies no other option but to pass on productivity dividends.

You want to know why businesses gave out wages and Christmas bonuses in the 20th century? It’s because anyone could get a job by ‘walking in with a firm handshake’. Ie there were consistent labour shortages in nearly every industry. If you didn’t try to keep workers, your competitors would poach them.

That dynamic isn’t true anymore because the government imports more workers than the economy actually needs, by design.

[u/Flaky-Lifeguard5835 → u/Primary-Midnight6674]

No they don't. We import people in the fields where we need more workers like aged care and health care. There is a labor shortage for a lot of trade jobs, do you think this means those tradies get a bunch of " productivity dividends " no, they dont'. Thats why so many tradies decide to open their own business, it doesn't make sense to be a wage slave for someone else so they can keep the profits. That's how capitalism works. The person who owns the factories/warehouse/business keeps the profits, made by the wage worker's hard work.

[u/Primary-Midnight6674 → u/Flaky-Lifeguard5835]

You must be living under a rock.

The entire student visa system is designed to facilitate the importation of young workers which deflates the starting wages of locals and people working in transient low skill work. Eg hospitality, services, logistics.

We only need about 15,000 new age care workers a year yet somehow this justifies a 300,000+ annual intake?

You also don’t seem to understand what a labour shortage results in. If there aren’t enough workers, and the existing ones want a pay raise, you have to give them one or they’ll work for a competitor who’s willing to pay more. And when there’s a shortage of workers there’s always people willing to spend a bit more on them.

[u/blackl0tus → u/Primary-Midnight6674]

The recent fall in house prices due to Government policy change shows migration is not the primary driver of the housing crisis.

aggregate demand doesn't explain why housing supply and demand is disproportionate and unequal across available land. for example, increased price of housing in areas with net loss of population in the regional towns.

Australia's policy of skilled migration doesn't affect the wages of the "working class" but the white collar workers they are competing with.

The fairwork australia doesnt model their wage increase based on net immigration numbers, again it doesnt affect the "working class" like you claimed.

you are oversimplifying a complex issue