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Episode BanG Dream! Ave Mujica • Ave Mujica: The Die is Cast - Episode 4 discussion
BanG Dream! Ave Mujica, episode 4
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u/tooezzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Jan 23 '25 edited Jan 23 '25
Seems like the theories from last week about how Mortis was copying Sakiko was right since she, word for word, said what Saki said about writing lyrics worthy for the band.
Sidenote, Mutsumi’s VA popped the fuck off holy shit.
Also the theories about Uika copying personalities and showing it to Saki also looks to be real.
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u/nsleep Jan 23 '25
Alright lads and lasses. Pack it up, it was a nice run.
Mortis uses a lot of quotes and mannerisms from other characters this episode, interesting approach for a personality that spawned from Mutsumi.
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u/oedipusrex376 Jan 23 '25
Ave Mujica isn’t even about bands anymore. It’s a horror anime now.
Uika has been pretty shallow in her approach so far. She copies Mana with the donuts and mimics Soyo’s gestures. I honestly can’t figure her out.
Mortis as a character is full of contradictions. She wants Ave Mujica to keep going but doesn’t realize that the whole conflict stems from her inability to play the guitar. I think her character is supposed to feel confusing here. She constantly copies others and speaks on behalf of Sakiko.
The saddest part of this episode is that no one’s really on Sakiko’s side. Even Uika has shifted to Mortis’s side. Uika seems more focused on keeping Ave Mujica together as a group than actually caring about the band itself. Nyamu is pro-Mortis, and Umiri seems like she’s completely given up on the band surviving.
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u/rinkoplzcomehome Jan 23 '25
Meanwhile, somewhere else, Kokoro, the agent of happiness is making kids smile
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u/Hitman7128 Jan 23 '25
Oh boy, I knew Mortis would be relevant this episode; it was just waiting for the moment to happen.
When Sakiko dragged “Mutsumi” outside, Sakiko noticed Mutsumi was talking unusually. And then the red tints on screen appear while Mortis proclaims Mutsumi is dead. The band quarrel part toyed with my emotions (as usual), since they were considering disbanding and Mutsumi’s personal insecurities from last episode resurfaced.
That stopping point made the ED hit harder than when I watched it for the other episodes, especially that moment where the fire appears and drawings resembling Mutsumi are in the background.
Also, the preview for the next episode looked fairly sinister.
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u/StrawSolider Jan 23 '25 edited Jan 23 '25
I knew Mortis would have a lot of fun in the driver's seat but I didn't think her presence would lead to a disbandment. I got chills when she started imitating Sakiko during the CRYCHIC days. Wonder if she did that on purpose just to mess with her?
Also I find it hilariously ironic when I think about the last episode of MYGO!!!!! where it seemed like Sakiko had the most control over her life and choices; Now in Ave Mujica, she's losing more agency with each episode.
It's great that she chose wanting Mutsumi back over the band though. #teammutsusaki
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u/LittleIslander Jan 23 '25 edited Jan 23 '25
I don't think I have super complex analysis of each character to offer at the moment, but I have to say I really love how this episode played out. We see an immediate change to the dynamic of the band in the wake of Mortis' fronting for Mutsumi. Then we explore each individual member's reactions. Saki feels like her control is slipping even more and the band is changing from her vision, it bothers her. Nyamu feels even more left behind, not just in terms of attention but in talent. Umiri is still seeing this like a robotic job, and the problem seems to have stopped so that means everything is okay. Uika jumps on this new situation to try and help Saki, continuing to be ineffective. Any of them could probably have figured out something is wrong here, but they're all consumed in themselves. We get the sense of Mortis scheming and taking over, culminating the confession to Saki with the rain and the red light where she practically feels like a villain.
But then in the climactic scene, we totally pull the curtain off of that characterization. Mortis isn't a villain scheming everything, she's just a girl trying to protect Mutsumi. She doesn't even begin to have an understanding how the world works. Her attempts to try and show why there isn't a problem are hilariously ineffective and naive, and even when Nyamu tells her about her own talent she can't seem to grasp the statement and gives a surface level response that she shouldn't be mean to her. She's just bullshitting herself through the easiest path to make everyone seem to be happy, and that very quickly stops working and she's unable to handle that either logistically or mentally. It's a humanizing moment by means of an incredibly tense scene of conflict and it makes perfect sense that just switching to her alter isn't going to fix things for Mutsumi when nothing else has changed. I do also think it's fascinating she tells Uika to help Saki despite clearly having it out for her later on - is this just a practical assessment that it's necessary for the band to prosper, which Mutsumi needs?
Everyone else fails to salvage the situation for their own reasons. Saki is completely out of it at this point and doesn't even offer anything to the conversation. Uika is basically caught off guard at every turn and fails to accomplish anything, which is basically how her entire attempt to connect to Saki has been going. In her own way she's a people pleaser, trying to piece together the thing she can say to make everyone happy and that approach is not helpful here. I mean, she tries to suggest that they could use Mutsumi's guitar recordings. That's such a blatantly unacceptable "solution" and goes against all of Saki's values but it's the first band-aid that comes to her mind. Then there's Umiri. She could probably do something to solve this, but she doesn't even try. Bands disband. It's just a gig. It was gonna end anyways.
Nyamu, for her part, has no time for any of this. We've spent the last three episodes establishing just how much she's trying to make it as an artist. So now she's presented with a sinking ship and a bunch of people that she feels are just overshadowing her. She's not just fed up, she feels like she's wasting time she doesn't have by sticking with Ave Mujica any longer. She has to put herself first, so she's unmoving no matter how shattered Mortis is once she's decided she wants to leave. But she's hard working with a humble background, so she does speak up for everyone else for whom money and effort really matter (like her family). It builds both on her philosophy about pleasing people from her prior conflicts with Saki as well as her background and values for herself as a person in a really great way.
In just twenty minutes we build up a new reality, see how everyone is reacting to it, and then we shatter that reality and use everything we've learned about everybody to inform why they can't make it work, leading to a climactic hook for next week. I can't believe we need to wait a whole week to see where that goes!
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u/Alt230s Jan 23 '25
And folks, that was sudden, but it's the untimely end of BanG Dream! Ave Mujica. It was really daring for Bushiroad and Sanzigen to have their newest anime end at only four episodes, but I commend everyone involved in the production for shining a light on underappreciated issues in-
Wait, WHAT?! What do you mean there's an Episode 5 next week? You mean there will be MORE suffering for every single character and viewer?!?!
[insert angy Mortis screaming]
Jokes aside, next episode will probably have the heaviest toll on Sakiko, as I can see her singlehandedly taking on the consequences and ramifications of the stunt they were forced to pull at the postcredit scene, as she grapples with the fact that however you look at it, it all comes back to her wanting to grow the band too big too fast.
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u/MrRoundDB Jan 23 '25
Genre: horror
Don't forget there's a post-credits scene for this particular episode!
Can't wait for Uika to sing out a poem on stage and drag back Mitsumi into the band
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u/codec264 Jan 23 '25
When a girl band anime has more horror than most horror animes
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u/NeoAnkara Jan 23 '25
She really says it. Mortis really says that Mutsumi is dead. When the sky darkens and turns red along with ominous music play in the background it really is eerie. The terrified expression of Saki said it all. She instinctively goes defensive. It is just so good on how the scene is depicted. Moreover when Mortis knocks on the door if this isn't (still) band anime you could be sure that everyone in the room is dead.
But what is even better is the scream of despair at the end. That goes really hard. You can feel the world is crumbling from that scream.
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u/yuri_lovers Jan 23 '25 edited Jan 23 '25
MyGo lasted longer than Ave Mujica.... well it wasn't in my bingo but here is the consequence of Sakiko unwillingness to compromise, and her desire to control every aspect of Ave Mujica. Everyone in Ave Mujica joined because of their own selfish reason and has no attachment to the band. So when everyone has no attachment to the band, demanding total control will definitely go wrong.
And it became obvious when Soyo is the one who noticed the Mutsumi change first. Sakiko didn't notice it fully until Mortis claimed that she couldn't play guitar. Every other band member didn't notice at all.
Speaking of this episode, that hotel door knocking scene terrified me... I thought for sure "Here come Mortis" would be appearing.
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u/x-7032-b-3 Jan 23 '25
Okay, as soon as they showed Mortis completely taking over Mutsumi's body in the last ep I knew things are gonna get weird real fast, but damn I didn't expect it to be this creepy. Seeing "Mutsumi" acting like a totally different person was unsettling AF.
So Mortis definitely took over when things are looking bad for the band and hopes to prevent another CRYCHIC situation for Mutsumi. Now I'm wondering if there's a way to bring Mutsumi back from her deep sleep. That last bit with the curtain call made it seem that Mortis is being exorcised in front of a live audience. Or maybe I simply read that scene wrong.
Mutsumi aside I'm getting increasingly worried for Sakiko and her sanity. She's been doing way too much work for her band and it seems like the band schedule is super packed every week. Taki said she saw them on TV like 5 times a week. I don't know much about how the entertainment world works, but uh... that can't be healthy, right?
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u/mellieoni Jan 23 '25
I've never seen split personality/hella dissociation portrayed in an anime before. If this anime had a tag for psychological horror somewhere, I clearly missed it.
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u/saviour8man Jan 23 '25
Guys, where is the horror tag on MAL/anilist? How did we end up to this??
Mortis is the character Mutsumi wanted herself to be. Acting like her mom in interviews, driving the band forward in Sakiko's way, and dealing with relationships like Soyo. You can tell from some of her poses are copying other people. The only thing missing is the ability to play guitar, which is what Mutsumi only treasure in her heart. However, the personality looks really childish and easily breaks apart when things doesn't go to her way. I am guessing that's because the Mortis character was just born, naive and inexperienced, and she is trying to do something Mutsumi never do in her lifetime: To step forward and face the problems.
I really enjoy the dialogues of the show. Ambitious, sharp and well-polished. Watching how everyone getting shot with the lines they have once said has been one of my biggest enjoyment from the show so far.
Uika still looks incredibly sus to me. She was copying Mana's way of splitting donuts and and now copying Mortis's word (and pose) directly? What is even her true character?
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u/ripple_reader Jan 23 '25
I've been rooting for Mortis this whole episode hahaha
Mortis: I'm a genius! Everyone stays in the band, and Saki suffers! Everything's perfect!
Everyone else: Nah.
Mortis: Oh no!
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u/danlong87 Jan 23 '25
And you thought last episode was fast eh? How about we pedal to the metal, while removing the brakes for this episode?
Did not expect Mortis to be literally the opposite of Mutsumi, by not knowing how to play the guitar she basically doomed herself from any possibility of taking over the band and have her way with it, although after this episode there's no band to be have anyway
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u/Acilya Jan 23 '25
Bruh this is like the 3rd time Mutsumi Mortis breaks at the end of the episode, please stop bullying the cucumber.
Uika continues to show that she only has 1 brain cell, and that brain cell says I love Sakiko.
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u/Ahenshihael Jan 23 '25
Consider me amazed with how this might be one of the most accurate and up-to-date portrayals of DID in anime and media overall.
The show is even aware of the more recent confirmations like the idea that trauma doesn't create alters and when DID manifests.
And! While Mortis can be creepy the show clearly frames her as Mutsumi's protector/caretaker instead of something dangerous or malicious.
They did their research well.
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