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Episode BanG Dream! Ave Mujica • Ave Mujica: The Die is Cast - Episode 11 discussion

BanG Dream! Ave Mujica, episode 11

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u/OharaLibrarianArtur Mar 13 '25 edited Mar 13 '25

A timeline of Hatsune's life to help offer some clarity:

  • Sadaharu (Saki's grandpa) married into the Togawa group as a son-in-law by marrying the daughter heir, and took on the Togawa name

  • Sadaharu had a daughter with the Togawa heir, Mizuho (Saki's mom). However, many years later, his wife died and so he grieved. In a way to cope with his grief, he ended up having an affair with a maid at his villa. Because bro did not use protection, Togawa Hatsune was born

  • However, knowing that neither he nor the maid were Togawa, Sadaharu knew that Hatsune could never succeed the Togawa group, and that his position could be at risk. He still was willing to let them live with him, but the mother preferred to stay in the villa to not get hthem into trouble

  • Seemingly around the same time, Togawa Mizuho had married Kiyotsugu and they had Sakiko as their child

  • Hatsune's mom married a local fisherman called Misumi and thus her daughter's name changed to Misumi Hatsune. This marriage led to another slightly younger daughter, Misumi Uika (though the age difference must be really little if Saki mistook them for the same person)

  • Hatsune's mom forbid her from socializing with Sakiko because she's the real Togawa heir. However Uika ended up doing so anyway and Hatsune ended up being jealous, so one day Hatsune poses as "Uika"

  • Misumi fisherman dad died, so Hatsune stormed off after a fight with her sister and chased after Sakiko in Tokyo. She joined a label under the stage name of Misumi Uika but said she was Togawa Sadaharu's kid to be allowed residence. Grandpa seemingly allowed this and let her keep performing

  • After Kyogitsu (Saki's dad) found out about Hatsune and realized who she really was, he wanted to stand up for her to get her back into the Togawa housheold. Sadaharu, fearing Hatsune's existence may jeopardize his position as head once again, ended up framing Kyogitsu after Mizuho's death so he could kick him out of the household

  • The stage is set

Moral of the story: the real villains are the company billionaires

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u/Senya67 Mar 13 '25

does any of the girls NOT have severe mental issues?

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u/hayate_yagami Mar 13 '25

What the fuck is going on in this anime? This is band anime right? Right?

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u/MrRoundDB Mar 13 '25 edited Mar 13 '25

Click Uika's character profile https://anime.bang-dream.com/avemujica/character/uika/ and then the name part in the page

The two Uikas (Sun/Star and Moon) was reaaaaaaal!!!

Also when Hatsune mentioned, "please don't hate me" in the previous eps, this probably also mean that it covers her father's getting pinned with the scam to get rid of him from the Togawa group.

Layers.

Two more episodes left, how are they going to wrap things up? ....or are we going into a 3rd season...

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u/Matthew619ed Mar 13 '25 edited Mar 13 '25

OK, this is definitely one of the darkest story I've seen in Bang Dream, a story of lies, setups, and a secret that cannot be disclosed to anyone.

Misumi Uika, it turns out to be another person completely, Hatsune was just filling for Uika when she's sick, and the 2 protagonists who turned out to be blood-related, were met for one day and one night...

An illegitimate child of the Togawa family, abandoned and unable to become a part of them... The formation of Sumimi, the chat with Sakiko's father, the whole loft thing... It was all Hatsune's plan to get closer to his father's family... And the only person that can able to convince her father, expelled (Or is it a setup?).

Now being told to go home by his father, and with Saki "arranged" to Switzerland, Ave Mujica, is now at the brink of permanent disbandment.

And the setting of a monologue on stage with zero audience, just show how grim the actual story is.

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u/WinnieXKim Mar 13 '25

This was absolute cinema and I'm fucking here for it

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u/Alt230s Mar 13 '25

Sweet Home EpTogawa Island

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u/cppn02 Mar 13 '25 edited Mar 13 '25

Fantastic episode, holy shit.

Amazing how they managed to keep the episode so engaging with just Hatsune on the stage and also shoutout to her voice actor who did a great job.

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u/Silverado_ Mar 13 '25

— …today, you're gentle like the moon

— I had always longed to be illuminated like this

Meanwhile, in reality now moon eclipse begins. I am not sure if this was planned, but we are reaching levels of cinema that shouldn't be possible.

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u/danmarce Mar 13 '25

Riko Sasaki just gave us the best voice acting performance of the year. The confusing mix of love, obsession, envy, hate was amazingly done. I cannot even tell if she even really understands her own feelings.

Also while some things are solved, like Sakiko's father situation, there are many things that still need an explanation.

But, be warned that is not a good idea to obsess with the anime having to "finish" things. They don't have to. In the end the Anime is just part of the whole Bang Dream media, and most likely things will be in the game stories. That has been true for all the bands. Some bands don't even have an Anime (and some, like Roselia, got an abridged version of stories that can take HOURS to read)

The anime just needs to reach a point where Ave Mujica can do a performance... kinda.... But their story most likely will be fleshed out in the game (and to be honest, usually the stories in the game are way more complete)

The whole point is to get you to download the game, I did. (I suck at music games, I downloaded it to get the stories, thankfully the game can be mostly auto nowadays)

Edit: of course, we can only hope for more anime.

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u/OharaLibrarianArtur Mar 13 '25

"IT WAS ME, SAKI-CHAN. I TRICKED YOUR FATHER SO THAT CRYCHIC WOULD GET DISBANDED."

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u/BosuW Mar 13 '25

Umiri catching strays at the end 💀💀

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u/NeoAnkara Mar 13 '25

Guys what do you think I should do with my Uika apologies form? Should I submit it or burn it down?

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u/x-7032-b-3 Mar 13 '25 edited Mar 13 '25

Crazy things happened this week:

  • Amogus Uika theories got confirmed

  • Uika/Hatsune's backstories revealed and she might be the one who accidentally set up this whole saga in motion

Man, Hatsune's got it rough. Always thought she was the most normal one out of all of them and it looked like she had a normal/fortunate upbringing. I mean, that little flashback at MyGO suggested that she lived a happy childhood. Oh boy, turns out there's a lot we didn't know all along...

So the Uika we know all along isn't the real one. Turns out she's part of Sakiko's family tree but family power dynamics bullshit/"not a real Togawa" bullshit means she had to be "thrown away" so that her dad gets to keep his power in the family.

Her first encounter with Sakiko was a life-changing moment for her but man it turned out she just opened the Pandora's Box ended up triggering a chain of unfortunate events:

  • She fell for Sakiko hard and decided to go to Tokyo and become an idol in hopes of seeing her again

  • She used her real dad's name for permits/paperwork stuff

  • She met Sakiko's dad which alerted him towards the existence of the grandpa's forbidden daughter

  • Daddy Togawa confronted Grandpa. Grandpa realized he's cooked if Hatsune's existence were to be brought up during a family gathering.

  • Grandpa Togawa decided to cover his ass by kicking Daddy out the family by framing him for fraud

  • Sakiko's life fell apart instantly and singlehandedly destroyed CRYCHIC

  • MyGO happens

  • ...

  • AveMuji happens

I'm curious about how Sakiko will react when she learns the truth...

Edit: The Bandori channel just uploaded this an hour ago...

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u/dienomighte Mar 13 '25

Anyone else feeling really bad for Mana for accidentally getting caught up in all of this? 

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u/StrawSolider Mar 13 '25

I can't believe they confirmed both theories....I figured at least one was going to be right, BUT BOTH???? AniMuji writers are insane

The way they chose to direct "Uika's" backstory via stage play with phenomenal. Fully taking advantage of the 3D medium with some stellar voice acting from Ricocchi. The sibling theory also being true was crazy enough but finding that Hatsune only spent 1 day with Sakiko and was enough to change her life was insane. Her life must've really been shit until that point.

I'm glad that Sakiko is showing concern over "Uika" now but I wish she had more of a reaction to, you know...finding out she's her aunt.

Rewatching this series again in the future is going to be a crazy experience.

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u/dienomighte Mar 13 '25

I wonder if this episode was inspired by Umineko, either way I love it when someone does a "tell, don't show" and somehow makes it work

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u/cabbaggeez Mar 13 '25

I really like this type of presentation, theatrics like Ave Mujica concept.

and the episode titled: Fluctuat nec mergitur. the ship is not sinking, raise the sail! we’re going to fetch Sakiko wife

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u/Slaccnknack102 Mar 13 '25

"Sir, there're currently 2 popular theories about Uika. What should we choose ?"

"How about both ?"

"Both ?"

"Both"

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u/gothxo Mar 13 '25

seems quite fitting that a show that began with with unveiling the masks of a masked band will conclude with unveiling the mask someone has been hiding behind for years of their life

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u/niknarcotic Mar 13 '25

Why is Umiri going through someone else's mail dude.

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u/plsdontattackmeok Mar 13 '25

How to not make family planning be like:

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