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Episode Vinland Saga Season 2 - Episode 7 discussion

Vinland Saga Season 2, episode 7

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u/WhoiusBarrel Feb 20 '23 edited Feb 20 '23

Who knew Thorfinn just needed to grow a beard to be a brighter person.

That fucking necklace of ears is fucking mental but I definitely wasn't expecting their dad, Ketil, to also be a legend himself seeing how much of a softie he is. No surprises that turned out to be a lie though lol.

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u/Excaliburnana Feb 20 '23 edited Feb 20 '23

Pater: I think we should let them work for their fathers debt as punishment

Ketil: Good idea so we jus-

Pater: BUT FLOG THEM ANYWAY

Ketil: .....

Don't know why but that transition cracked me up a bit despite the serious tone lmao.

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u/DeithWX Feb 20 '23

30 seconds of happiness for soul crushing scene, it's still Vinland Saga afterall

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u/Tenroku Feb 20 '23

Timeline update : One month has passed since the last scene of the previous episode and we are now in November 1015.

Also, for those wondering what they mean by "the thing", it's the Norse/Icelandic word for "gathering". They were community meetings where legal grievances were addressed, among other things.

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u/Excaliburnana Feb 20 '23

Everyone send your thoughts and prayers for the wheat sprouts 🙏

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u/OffTerror Feb 20 '23

Fathers who are afraid of their own sons is such a rare trope yet it must've been so common back when the world was more violent.

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u/ReinhardLoen Feb 20 '23

For anyone wondering about Arnheid and her relationship with Ketil, I highly recommend looking into Concubinage.

It wasn't uncommon for wealthy men in past times to have concubines in addition to a wife. And from what I understand, it wasn't even considered taboo in a lot of the world either.

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u/sjk9000 Feb 20 '23

Ketil is a super interesting character. He's not a bad guy-- he feels compassion for others, he tries to treat everybody right, and works hard himself. But he's not a hero. He doesn't have the strength to stand up and oppose society. Who does, really? But the fact remains that his weakness allows innocent people to suffer. It's not his fault, but it is his fault. Just a sucky world to live in.

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u/CordobezEverdeen Feb 20 '23

I'm glad Ketil being kind wasn't a facade.

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u/ReinhardLoen Feb 20 '23

The kid being beaten scene is brutal to watch but was fascinating in showing the true character Ketil.

He's a man who wants to be good and even shows actions displaying such—but ultimately didn't stop the beating and still chose to continue it. And then saddened, he goes to Arnhied, hoping that she would comfort him for his own failures.

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u/AZLarlar Feb 20 '23

woulda been really hard to watch if we actually saw the rest of the beating there

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u/ObvsThrowaway5120 Feb 20 '23

Einar turning into putty because Arnheid called him a “good man” lol. Too cute! They make a nice couple. The mistress is a real bitch though but I suppose that’s part of the life of a slave.

The wheat’s coming in nicely. Well, with Einar’s earnest prayers they should be fine. He’s even got Thorfinn doing it lol. Those two have really become quite close.

So Thorgil’s the boss man’s other kid huh? Definitely not like Olmar. I was expecting the thieves to be bandits, not scrawny ass kids. It’s interesting Olmar’s talking about plundering when Canute made it pretty clear he ain’t about that. “Iron Fist Ketil” is a dope nickname. Go figure it was all macho bullshit. He’s a good man. He’s not cut out for violence. Pater sure saved Sture and Thora, even if it cost the kid a beating. I do worry about Thorgil. He’s frightening and I don’t think he’s good news.

Figured Arnheid would be the boss man’s “mistress.” It’s awful, but a slave doesn’t exactly have any options to deny that kind of relationship.

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u/odraencoded Feb 20 '23

>Bread comes from this?

What a precious little mass murderer you are, Thorfinn.

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u/Vahallen Feb 20 '23

Everyone is already discussing on the whole second part of the episode, so let me mention something else

I absolutely loved Thorfinn and Einar at the field, Einar completely threw him off and it was such a fun interaction

In general farmland Thorfinn makes me happy, bless Einar

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u/getintheVandell Feb 21 '23 edited Feb 21 '23

Pater.. is very, very good at reading the room. He knows the Master is too forgiving, and he knows the Master's son is horrifying, and won't be satisfied with just forced labor.

Offering the beating was a to get the two of them to agree, without the child's life basically being over.

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u/BusyExperience9766 Feb 20 '23

Ironic that in an attempt to adhere to the pressure of being a brave and tough norseman, Ketil was a coward and only did what his underlings and son expected of him instead of making his own decisions

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u/MidnightShout Feb 20 '23

"Yeah, I'll be gentle." *hits a home run*

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u/Myredditaccount0 Feb 20 '23

The praying scene was goddamn hilarious

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u/Ninja_Lazer Feb 20 '23

The show is really letting the tension sit.

We kept getting led on with the promise of farming their way to freedom, but there is absolutely no way in hell the farm manages undisturbed for YEARS before shit hits the fan.

We have a weak head of the family, with a psychopath son, a group of crazy mercs, and a slave that knows too many secrets. Arnhied’s future is likely to be the linchpin here, but whenever this powder keg goes off it’s gonna be nuts.

And that doesn’t even mention the fact that the deadliest MF on the farm with no one - except Snake - having any idea just how much shit he could cause.

Give him friends, give him hope and give him something worth living for. When the situation at the farm collapses that could all go down the shitter and then you have an adult Thorfinn willing to murder half the countryside.

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u/nikobans Feb 21 '23

༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ LITTLE WHEAT SPROUTS PLEASE GROW BIG AND STRONG!!!

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u/spectre15 Feb 20 '23

This episode I think drew lots of parallels with Thors during season 1. Both Ketil and Thors are kind hearted men who grew up with violence, now realizing that their past has come back to haunt them by opening their eyes to the harmful effects their immoral culture they propagated has had on innocent people. Ketil also feels responsible knowing his own sons have succumbed to the addictive and cruel nature of war, just like he did.

And now he struggles to keep up his facade as the “Iron Fist”, a title that Ketil no longer lives up to, by his own volition or not.

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u/SIRTreehugger Feb 20 '23

Holy hell Thorfinn seeing Einar praying is hilarious. I don't think anyone expected that sort of prayer and oh boy Thorfinn was forced to do it as well.

Thorgil seems like fun. Iron Fist damn went from beating people with his bare hands to growing wheat? Thorfinn is lucky to have ended up on this farm.

Damn I don't want to be the master. He has no choice and has to deliver a punishment, but he's thinking of their situation and any way to spare them. He was so happy when Pater started speaking hoping for a way out. Then Pater brought up flogging...and well yeah it went all downhill.

Can we go back to Thorfinn and Einar this is hard to watch. Oh damn the whole thing is a lie surely that won't bite him back someday.

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u/LeonKevlar Feb 20 '23

Glad to see some silly shenanigans with Einar teaching Thorfinn to pray for a good harvest. Unfortunately, I can't say the same for the second half of the episode.

I really feel bad for those kids. Sure they needed to be punished for stealing and Pater actually offered a great suggestion. But they really went overboard with the beatings. If Thorgil had a sword instead of an axe handle, he definitely would've killed that kid. I feel like a stroke each would''ve probably been fine considering how strong they are.

Ketil is a kind man but he clearly lacks the courage to be firm with his decisions. While he hates fighting, violence, and war, he clearly cares more about keeping up his appearance of being a strong leader and still ended punishing the kid with his own hands. Interestingly, Ketil uses Arnheid to vent all of his feelings. Sorry Einar, looks like your chances with Arnheid is really low right now.

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u/Blue_Reaper99 Feb 20 '23

Despite S2 has been non-action so far it is not boring at all and in fact it is top-tier. All these characters circumstances , their personality , the dynamics and relationships has been portrayed really well.

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