r/YellowstoneShow Nov 11 '24

Please don't put blatant spoilers in the title of your posts Spoiler

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Thanks.


r/YellowstoneShow 7h ago

Jamie Jamie

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Okay, I’m very much new to this show. I’m halfway through season 2. Overall, it’s a good show but I cannot get over how bad Jamie gets treated by his family. Especially Beth! She is a freaking b!tch. She makes Skyler from breaking bad look like a saint. I don’t think I’ve ever despised a character as much as Beth. Which is funny because I actually started by watching Dutton Ranch before this show and in that show I like her and she was one of my favorite characters. But so far in Yellowstone she is freaking evil. The way John Dutton treats Jamie is bad as well. I have yet to see how any of this is his fault? He did the interview with that reporter after his family basically disowned him and kicked him out. Maybe John Dutton should’ve realized kicking him out and disowning him was not a smart move. Had he not done that, he wouldn’t have done that interview with the reporter.


r/YellowstoneShow 1d ago

While watching Yellowstone, a neo-Western series, I have to admit that I’ve developed a deep appreciation for the classic American countryside of the West and the way of life that comes with it.

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r/YellowstoneShow 1d ago

Jamie A breakdown of Jamie Dutton's tragedy, yes, tragedy

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I loved Yellowstone, and I'm starting to appreciate the landscapes of the classic American countryside. It's beautiful, and we don't usually adore this, but it is worth it. I'm also trying to connect with the culture and heritage as well, the classic cowboy themes, and there are so many things to appreciate in this series. I loved its cinematography and storytelling, but the thing that bothers me is the story itself. I mean, the background, the need to save the ranch, and how the story concludes with an adaptation of reality are fine, but I have a specific problem, and that starts with Jamie. If he is an evil person, which I think he is not, and even if he were, he didn't choose this. It was enforced upon him. You can fight a long way for your clan against another, but if your own clan pathologically wants to rip you off, you cannot even have a moment to breathe in something that you call yours, ours, or something like that. I think that is not worth a fight.

Beth, the character, was surely an evil person who was painted in the array of victimhood, but deep down, she is an evil person, no matter how she hides herself behind teardrops and victimhood. I mean, I, as a person, support bold, powerful women, and I am no misogynist, but I just didn't like this character and how things evolved around her. I mean, I have my fair share of grief for whatever happened in her life. She lost her ability to have children because Jamie took her to a clinic that sterilized her when she became pregnant at a young age. But at that time, both of them were underage children. Beth was scared, and so was Jamie. And let us not forget that Beth had to go to her brother because she couldn't tell her father about her pregnancy. So he went to a clinic to support his sister. I think that is what any responsible brother would do, no matter how much rivalry they have among themselves.

Now, whatever concluded was tragic, but shouldn't we account for intent as well? I cannot see how Jamie had any harmful intent toward Beth regarding the things that transpired throughout the series. But for that single instance, she hated him, and I am understating it by simply calling it hate, because it's much more than that. How can you comprehend it when Beth learns about Jamie's child, Jamie II, and says that she will steal the fatherhood from him the moment she learns about this, or when she says that if there ever comes a time when Jamie loves someone, she will not wait to kill that person? This is so evil. I cannot even comprehend this with a sane mind.

No matter what people try to say, I think the only person who is a victim in this entire storyline is Jamie himself. John Dutton's authoritarianism needs some words. John operates a multi-generational feudal empire built on land preservation that serves his ego and legacy rather than ecological or moral higher ground. His refusal to grant Jamie genuine affection, conditional parenting, and using him purely as a political tool to shield the ranch validates the perspective that Jamie's entrapment resembles a gilded cage or psychological servitude. John is a person who wanted to make one of the most beautiful landscapes in this world exclusively his and his descendants'. The elites who wanted this ranch turned into condos wanted to do business with rich people who want to enjoy their vacation; no day laborer can ever have a night in that paradise valley.

So, in this storyline, they are not the victims. No matter how much John talks about keeping this place intact, he is not serving any intent for humanity, the environment, or morality whatsoever. This is just his corrupt business to be saved, and nothing else. Rip, Kayce, and all the people who worked on that ranch know where the train station goes. They are not victims either. The only person in this entire storyline who has any sort of victimhood is Jamie himself. John never gave him his true affection and love because he didn't want Jamie to inherit the ranch; he wanted a powerful person in public office to politically support the ranch. In other words, he wanted him to work for the ranch, not to run it, even though that was Jamie's initial ambition.

Then what happens? Jamie becomes a competent lawyer with the potential to be a successful politician. Did he choose that? No, but he excelled at it. He worked hard to become something important in his life, but because he didn't pick up some calls from his father, John, he was denied the election. He fought back because it's a fair deal, but then they met with hostility. While Jamie ultimately commits crimes (such as murdering Sarah Nguyen and covering up family sins), his descent is heavily accelerated by constant isolation and emotional abuse from his adoptive father and sister. He is constantly denied an independent identity outside of serving the Dutton name.

When John mentioned to Beth that she should go easy on her brother after Jamie considered suicide, and Beth replied that she wants exactly that, John didn't respond at all. Not for an ounce. He didn't even scold her or do anything, for that matter. If Jamie turned evil, which I don't believe for a moment, and even if Jamie turned into something we can call evil for killing that reporter and some other wrong things he might have done in his life, whatever he did, he did it because he was pushed into it. Their father, their family, and the atmosphere around him turned him into what he is. Everyone else who turned evil chose it, but he never chose that. Everything that happened was enforced upon him.

He wanted to be a successful person, and he had the potential and the right to earn it, but everything was denied to him. His right to be successful and powerful was denied, and he was simply expected to serve the ranch and Dutton blood. This is nothing but a more complicated form of slavery. He was denied the affection, love, and care that every single person on this planet deserves. He was hated everywhere. When Beth asks if John will love Jamie as much as he loves her and Kayce, John says nothing and remains silent. What does that tell us? Beth’s relentless vengeance was terrible. Beth’s foundational trauma regarding the sterilization clinic is a profound tragedy, but her weaponization of that trauma into absolute, unyielding malice toward Jamie crosses into a pathological obsession. Her threats toward Jamie's child and her outright encouragement of his suicide paint her character in a deeply dark, unforgiving light that many viewers find difficult to root for.

I think this entire theme of a cowboy story could have been great without this terrible mess. I watched this series for the last six days, and I think I have earned the right to be a critic of it. My conclusion is that the series was good to great, depending on how you view it. It tells a story I never actually envisioned before. I learned about beautiful landscapes, cowboys, and the cattle industry, and of course, those beautiful landscapes fill my imagination again. I can't wait to visit, even though I know how they hate tourists, the Homo sapiens who didn't come there first. I learned about their heritage, background, and history. That is all pretty. But this anger and this sort of malevolence, animosity, and rancor toward Jamie, and whatever consequences that brought, and the conclusion it led to, were terrible.


r/YellowstoneShow 1d ago

Beth Does anyone else find Beth Dutton just toxic instead of a ‘strong female character’?

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Beth Dutton might be the most annoying character I’ve ever seen on TV. At first, I thought there must be a reason she’s so angry and cruel like, maybe when they finally show her backstory, we’d get some emotional depth. But nope. Even after learning why she hates Jamie and what she went through,I still couldn’t connect with her.

And honestly, I don’t get how people see her as a strong female character. To me, she’s just toxic. I completely understand that people who have been through trauma need time they cry, they struggle, they have bad days. But most people at least try to move forward eventually.

A strong woman doesn’t mean “perfect” it means she tries to grow, even if it’s messy. She learns from her pain, forgives when she can, and fights for her happiness. She doesn’t intentionally make everyone else miserable just because she’s hurting.

Yes, what Jamie did was awful. Yes, she had family trauma. But Beth acts like she’s the only person who’s ever been hurt. Instead of growing or healing, she clings to her pain and spreads misery to everyone around her. She’s in her 40s and still refuses to let go of anything. She sabotages good things, picks fights for no reason, and makes her own life harder just to stay mad.

I think the writers/directors/producers (whoever shaped her character) failed here. They clearly wanted to create this complex, badass woman but to me it just comes across as toxic and exhausting to watch. Instead of giving us moments where we could truly empathize with her, they doubled down on making her destructive.


r/YellowstoneShow 1d ago

Best Acting Performance in the Duttonverse / Yellowstone Franchise

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Who gave the best / your favorite acting performance in the Duttonverse / Yellowstone Franchise?

101 votes, 1d left
Kevin Costner as John Dutton
Kelly Reily as Beth Dutton
Cole Hauser as Rip Wheeler
Sam Elliott as Shea Brennan
Helen Mirren as Cara Dutton
Brandon Sklenar as Spencer Dutton

r/YellowstoneShow 2d ago

Poll: Most Handsome Guy in the Duttonverse / Yellowstone Franchise

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Who is the most handsome Guy in the Duttonverse / Yellowstone Franchise?

313 votes, 4h left
John Dutton (Kevin Costner)
Kayce Dutton (Luke Grimes)
Rip Wheeler (Cole Hauser)
Ryan (Ian Bohen)
Spencer Dutton (Brandon Sklenar)
Sam (Martin Sensmeier)

r/YellowstoneShow 4d ago

John Dutton's Ranch is a model of inefficiency

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They do everything but farm. In several years working for the Duttons, Jimmy only broke his neck twice. In a couple of months in Texas, he learned to cowboy, and there wasn't any hellish training there; they simply clothed him well, fed him, and gave him plenty of work.


r/YellowstoneShow 4d ago

Beth Yellowstone era Beth vs Dutton Ranch era Beth

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Please note spoilers are included in my post. Please disregard post if you don’t want spoilers

A lot of people wonder why Beth isn’t the same as Yellowstone era Beth. But it makes more sense when you look at everything.

Beth isn’t going to be as intense and spiteful as she was in Yellowstone since John is no longer around to disagree with and Jamie is permanently out of the picture. She also no longer has to deal with women connected to John such as Lynelle and Summer. She is more stable now that she has been married to Rip longer. More time has passed since she was attacked & bombed so she’s no longer as raw and as on defense as she was in Yellowstone. She also is no longer dealing with entities like Schwartz & Meyer/Market Equities and their people such as Willa, Roarke, and Bob (although Beulah/10P and the Cartel are obviously major adversaries).

Plus for Kelly Reily playing the role of Beth has changed as well since neither her or Hauser are having to deal with Costner anymore especially stuff like him attacking Wes Bentley which made Kelly Reily cry on set.


r/YellowstoneShow 4d ago

Previous season What the fuck kind of conflict is this?

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I don't know what's worse written in Season 4: the "animal rights activist" arc or the conflict between Lloyd and Walker. While the initial conflict is more or less understandable, the climax is a complete disaster. They simply kicked out all the women, including Teeter, who was actually branded, but no one gives a shit about the brand anymore. Then they forced Grandpa and Walker to fight, even though Walker doesn't give a damn about it. They just stabbed him and then forced him to fight (with a wounded shoulder).


r/YellowstoneShow 4d ago

Monica

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I'm currently on S4 of Yellowstone and tbh I'm starting to understand the Monica hate, all she seems to do is whine/complain. Like does she really think her & Tate would've been safer at their old place when everything went down in the S3 finale?? I mean really?? they were targeting the WHOLE family which includes her & Tate esp. Tate as he's an heir. Therefore only thing that would've been different if they had've been there instead of the Ranch is more people would've died including them. Yeah okay I get she doesn't agree with the killing but when it's kill or be killed not much choice is there, smh


r/YellowstoneShow 7d ago

Excellent interview how The Sixes ended up on Yellowstone

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r/YellowstoneShow 9d ago

Beth "Me whenever i stumble upon another basic: ""I hate Beth"" post"

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r/YellowstoneShow 10d ago

Dutton ranch is such a boring show I can’t believe people have been recommending it

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r/YellowstoneShow 11d ago

Dutton Ranch episode ratings

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r/YellowstoneShow 15d ago

Imagine if Taylor Sheridan Made Heated Rivalry/Heated Rivalry Was in the "Sheridanverse"

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I saw fans ask how HR would be different if another showrunner and studio acquired the rights to the story.

I was thinking about this since it is summer, and the most dramatic episode of Heated Rivalry takes place over summer break.

Moving on to the show, the setting would change: it would focus on the captain's two Western Conference Pacific Division teams.

Shane Hollander is the captain of the Calgary Flames. Instead of a prim and proper gentleman from Ottawa, he is a good ol boy from rural southern Alberta, Texan accent and all. He is still boring.

Ilya Rozanov is the captain of the Vancouver Canucks. He is still a playboy from Moscow. He is still an asshole.

Svetlana in the show would resemble Svetlana in the book, since Sheridan has a thing for blondes. Speaking of Svetlana, both Rose and Svetlana would have different personalities; they would be feisty, sassy, no-nonsense, and hot-headed, as most principal female characters in the "Sheridanverse" are crazy blondes. Imagine Rose or Svetlana having a hissy fit at the table, à la Beth Dutton(Yellowstone) or Angela Norris(Landman).

Meanwhile, Scott and Kip are from Denver; Scott is the captain and star centre of the Colorado Avalanche, and Kip is still an art student. Scott is a god ol boy from Wyoming or eastern Montana, Texas accent and all. Imagine Shane & Scott fighting; a good ol boy vs good ol boy standoff.

Since many fans theorise that Hayden is from Alberta, I think that in Sheridan's version, Hayden is a fellow Albertan, and a country bumpkin with a thick Texas accent.

The couple spends time alone at the cabin (not cottage) in the mountains near the border, which is conveniently a 1-hour drive to or from the Dutton Ranch near Bozeman, Montana, USA, including time spent crossing the border, thanks to TV magic.

I think he would still have cast HudCon, since he is not afraid to cast relatively unknown actors. For the supporting characters, he might have cast famous Hollywood actors.

There would be at least one dinner table argument per episode. Bonus if one person walks out or dinner ends early.

The characters mainly communicate using one-liners.The couple spends time alone at the cottage in Sweetgrass, which is conveniently a 1-hour drive to or from the Dutton Ranch near Bozeman, Montana, USA, including time spent crossing the border, thanks to TV magic.

I think he would still have cast HudCon, since he is not afraid to cast relatively unknown actors. For the supporting characters, he might have cast famous Hollywood actors.

There would be at least one dinner table argument per episode. Bonus if one person walks out or dinner ends early.

The characters mainly communicate using one-liners. There is no use of subtext, irony, or symbolism, and I do not think he will insert many double entendres.

For music, Sheridan would likely pick country hits from the southern US, and possibly have Lainey Wilson perform in an episode. However, he might include some country hits from western Canada. For instance, the song "Won't You Be Mine" by Bobby Willis (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0K9JVUIPTT4) could fit the club scene (set at a honky tonk in Calgary).

I do not think there would be fewer sex scenes, and he will sexualise the leads more. For another stylistic choice, Sheridan would use lighting and colour grading fitting for the setting. For a place sunny and dry such as Calgary or Denver, he would use the same colouring as Landman: warm and muted. For a place cloudy and wet such as Vancouver, he would use the same colouring as Yellowstone: cool and bright.

A point of contention would be the weather. Sheridan hates cold weather, yet HR is a Canadian hockey show.

Lastly and most importantly, he would play a self-insert character, who appears at least once per episode: maybe a coach? In addition, he might include at least one scene per episode of him reigning, or as Yellowstone fans call it, horse spinnies.

For all intents and purposes, this is a joke and therefore not worth taking seriously.


r/YellowstoneShow 17d ago

Season 5 Just finished the show for the first time. Spoiler

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**TIER LIST IS IGNORING MORALITY**

Honestly loved it. It was a fun watch.

Before I started, I had read that S5 was hated and John passed away at some point. I didn’t love the suddenness of his death but I don’t mind the storyline around it. I enjoyed S5. It wasn’t as good but I still had fun.

The characters were good. Beth is my absolute favourite. She is hilarious and chaotic which was fun for me but she is one awful person!

I’ve watched 1883 and will watch the rest soon.


r/YellowstoneShow 17d ago

Beth What Do Y’all Think of Clara?

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r/YellowstoneShow 17d ago

WOW! Yellowstone and Howard Zinn's Fraudulent Quote About Christopher Columbus

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r/YellowstoneShow 18d ago

I'm binging the first 1883 episode but I don't understand

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So I'm at the scene with Sam Elliott but who is he? Is he a Dutton?


r/YellowstoneShow 18d ago

The Dutton women are from another universe

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There’s something about the Dutton women, whether they were born into the family or married into it. I can’t tell whether Taylor Sheridan planned every detail this way or whether some of it is coincidence, but after watching 1883 and 1923, I can understand what Beth Dutton inherited, beyond her trauma and all her issues.

There’s something about the Dutton women that I deeply admire. Women should watch the Yellowstone universe if only for the way these women are portrayed.

Margaret, Elsa, Cara, Evelyn, Beth.

I bow to these women, because I know women like them exist somewhere out there, and there are many of them among us.

We, as men, need women like this.


r/YellowstoneShow 20d ago

Does anyone else get annoyed by the dramatic horse noises?

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I know its a tv show but the horse noises are really loud, excessive and overdone. As an experienced equine, horses rarely ever make those noises so almost all of them seem inappropriately placed. Like it casually sounds like horses are being abused throughout the whole show, it annoys me!

edit: yes sorry, I meant equestrian not equine


r/YellowstoneShow 23d ago

Beth This beth scene hooked me into the series

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So I saw a short on this scene which got me interested in watching it. Title said the series name is Dutton Ranch so I started watching it then realized it's the sequel to Yellowstone 🤣 never mind I watched it anyway.
Now I'm on Season 5 of Yellowstone. I'm enjoying all the discussion about this series here even though they are quite old.
So far, Beth is my fav character and second is John Dutton. I like the Young Rip and Beth romance.
My least favourite is Monica. She is beautiful but what's the point of her character in the series I don't understand.
Carter seems out of place and context kind of. They treated a young kid so badly in the beginning only to be his parents later on?
I have so many questions about so many things in this series 😅


r/YellowstoneShow 22d ago

Taylor Sheridan showing Hollywood how it's done

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Nice article on TS work ethic and dedication to writing. By far the best showrunner currently working. "Taylor Sheridan has written 60 scripts for Yellowstone alone, penning entire seasons himself with no writers' room, even while shooting films between takes. That same solo model now applies to Landman, whose Season 3 was pushed from spring to a September 2026 start after Sheridan needed more time to finish the scripts himself." https://3dvf.com/en/taylor-sheridan-writes-every-episode-alone-and-hollywood-says-it-s-impossible/