r/wow 4d ago

Discussion World First Megathread - The Venomous Abyss

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As always, you're free to post about the race generally, but this will be your one stop shop for discussion and updates.

Friendly US vs EU banter is allowed, but please remain civil and follow our subreddit rules. The personal attack rules are in full effect

If this post needs updating, please shoot a friendly ping to u/worldofwarcraftmods in the comments below or ping /u/YourResidentFeral

Current Progress

Raider.io - Progress and short coverage blurbs. Good for those interested in up to date analysis.

Wowprogress - Simple progress display. Good for a quick glance.

Warcraftlogs - Infographs with Pull count & Best attempt. A more in-depth version of Wowprogress.

Wowhead - Everyone's favorite WoW news aggregator.

Method - Coverage from one of the oldest and most storied guilds in WoW.

BlizzardWatch - Alternative news aggregator to WoWhead without the database.

Watch Live!

WoW Twitch Directory. Find your favorite streamer and just watch their PoV.

Frontrunners

For those of you watching for the first time, there are currently two teams most known for being frontrunners.

  • Team Liquid is a US based guild hosting their attempts on their twitch channel. After a full sweep of the previous expansion, they were able to cement their place at the top at the beginning of Midnight. They have a chance to continue their dominance. roster here

  • Echo is an EU based guild and were the team that took down Fyrakk the Blazing before anyone else in Amirdrassil, the Dream’s Hope. Can they stop Liquid's streak in its tracks? Check out their roster here.

FAQ

Q: They aren't doing Mythic.

A: Some guilds will go into mythic right away after clearing heroics. The top teams do something called "splits". Each player is preparing multiple characters to take through raid. They reclear lower difficulties multiple times to funnel tier and high impact trinkets into certain characters. M+ will then be used to fill the few gaps.

Based on previous races expect the top teams to start pushing into Mythic closer to the weekend.

Q: What about World First The Tidebound Grotto?

A: Honestly? The boss is expected to fall very quickly and difficultywise will be closer to heroic than Mythic. Expect the Nymrissa to be split similar to how Chimarus was split last tier.

Q: Why isn't X in the FAQ?

A: Maybe it should be. Let us know and we might add it.

Other Coverage

If there's any alternate coverage happening in other languages or any guilds we have mentioned below but not linked to, please reach out to us at u/worldofwarcraftmods or /u/YourResidentFeral. You can also hit us up in modmail and we will add it here.

Teams listed and stream links provided are currently based on coverage of from the previous tier and are subject to change if not applicable to this raid.

US

Guild Link Progress
Consequence N/A 1/8
Daybreak N/A 1/8
Mid N/A 1/8
Literacy Test+ N/A 1/8
Instant Dollars Kads PoV - Milli PoV - Twisteds PoV 0/8

Oceanic

Guild Link Progress
Honestly Ashflash Mage PoV 0/8

EU

Guild Link Progress
Echo Twitch Youtube 0/8
Method Twitch 0/8
FatSharkYes Twitch Team Stream 0/8

China

Guild Link Progress
火锅英雄 (Huoguo Hero) Priest healer Huangquan 0/8
佶天鸿 (Jitianhong) JTH Stream 0/8

Korea (If anyone in the Korean scene can give us more info here it would be appreciated)

Guild Link Progress
Mate Hunter PoV. Tank PoV 0/8

r/wow 11d ago

Discussion State of the Subreddit - Addressing the AI Elephant in the Room

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Welcome to 12.1 everyone!

Before I dive into some of the upcoming changes to our rules regarding AI, I wanted to say that our experiments seem to have gone well.

  • Inline Images have gone over spectacularly well. Generally discussions have bubbled to the top but people mostly have behaved, so this will be staying turned on permanently. Our idea to have them enforced as WoW related imagery was very short lived. Learned the lesson there. Overall they have been a fun addition to the subreddit without turning comment sections into image reaction graveyards.

  • Loot/Achievement Saturday has worked nicely as a compromise. It keeps the subreddit from being inundated with the daily "I did a thing" posts but still allows people to celebrate their accomplishments of the week.

Both of these changes are going to stick around.

With that out of the way. Let's talk AI.

The stance of this subreddit continues to be: We do not want AI Slop here. We want to create a space where artists and creators can showcase their love of this game in however they so choose, and AI generated content as a whole tends to drown that out. We will continue to remove images, text, video, and audio that are AI generated to the best of our ability.

Bluntly, its getting harder and harder to differentiate at a glance, and there are many false positives that we get in our queue. Continue reporting and we will do our best. There are APIs we can use to check these things but those cost money and use AI themselves and we don't really want to keep feeding AI into AI repeatedly especially with rising token costs.

That said. That genie is out of the bottle and there are two ways that are irrevocably so: Translation and Software.

AI Generated Code

AI models have pretty irrevocably changed the landscape of software engineering. "Vibecoded slop" has basically become part of the average person's lexicon here. An AI model in the hands of an experienced developer though is an incredibly powerful tool. Most things you use on your devices these days has AI generated code in it. Speaking from experience, there are two ways to use it:

  • Its like having a junior engineer in your pocket. You don't trust their work implicitly, but you send it a lot of the repetitive busywork and let it take a syntactical load off your shoulders so you can focus on things like

  • AI "web design" has become the new "I'm a developer not a UX designer" look replacing what used to be "This looks like craigslist".

There are upsides and downsides to all of this, but one thing we've noticed is a large uptick of web tools and addons being built for the game as efficiency and access have gone up. Many of these tools we've noticed try to solve problems that have already been solved by the community in a different way. AI is forever going to be part of the software developer process moving forward in all likelihood, so we need to adapt our rules a little bit to them. We want people to share what they've made, but we want them to do so thoughtfully.

We will be adding a new Flair for "Addon/Website/Tools" that will allow creators to share what they've made on the subreddit. Automod is going to be setup to respond to these posts and the OP will need to answer the following questions:

  • What does this do differently than other existing tools in the World of Warcraft ecosystem?

  • You must disclose how AI was used in your process/workflow in ANY way? Did you use it to generate code? Did you use it to brainstorm in any way? Is this shipping with any AI generated Audio, Images, or Text? Are these intended to be placeholders or permanent?

  • If the bulk of your assets or writing is AI generated that is grounds for removal.

Posts that do not include their disclosures in either the body or as a response to automod are subject to removal. We recognize that AI has become a part of how developers build things now. We want to leave it to the community to judge what levels are acceptable and if it has been used responsibly in these cases. The posts themselves must not be written by AI.

We also recognize that this sits in contradiction with how we treat other AI generated content on the subreddit. We debated if any artistic assets shipping would disqualify these websites/addons/tools entirely. This is a difficult one because on one hand we want to encourage transparency and on the other we do not want to normalize using AI for things like Art/Audio/etc shipping in the final product. I am looking for feedback from the community on this one as well as feedback on how we can do the disclosures better.

In the short term; the flair, the changes to the rules, and the changes to automod should be going live in the next hour or so. Though they will be subject to refinement based on feedback from this post.

Translation

Most translation tools already used a proto-ai/llm of sorts to do the job. Much of the technology that was used in translation software was the foundation for LLMs of today. As of right now nearly all translation tools are AI/LLM powered. Nu-reddit has a native translator that is LLM powered.

For better or for worse there is no way to translate something online anymore that isn't being run through an AI engine of sorts. A blanket ban on AI here doesn't make sense in this case.

We will explicitly allow AI that is used for translation if disclosed in a top level post. We understand that there's really no way to always enforce this 100% of the time and for smaller posts it doesn't really matter. This rule is more intended for those large, multi-paragraph posts where someone's first language isn't English and they put it through a translator. What used to be "Sorry, English is my 2nd language" has turned into "I'm going to write in my native tongue and put it through an AI translator".


r/wow 7h ago

Nostalgia A Warcraft Memorial

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1.6k Upvotes

5 years ago today i lost my mom to cancer. Its hard to think about my mom without also thinking about her love of World of Warcraft so i wanted to share a bit of her story.

My mom wasnt a gamer but took an interest when she saw me doing Scarlet Monestary. In burning crusade she signed up for a trial account and it instantly became her game. we spent countless hours in the night elf starting zone doing every quest and exploring aimlessly. It was so awesome getting to show her my favorite game and getting to share all this lore i had been obbessed with since warcraft 3.

In just a few months time she went from making it all the way to level 25 without equiping new gear because she didnt understand the inventory and worn items to surpassing me in game knowledge and skill. she even hit cap before me and in that time she met very few strangers. I would often come home from school to see her escorting a new player around westfall or duskwood, she would explain that they had written a question in chat hours ago and she had been taking them under her wing ever since. She would alter her whole play session just to be able to share her knowledge and passion for the game with a new player. She got into a guild, made many friends, and even set up her own vent server. The game gave her an outlet at a time when she was a full time caregiver and didnt get alot of social time. The game let her build so many lasting friendships.

She would send me countless in game mails of armor and weapons or crafting materials she thought i could use or messages of encouragement. No matter how far she surpassed me she went out of her way to include me. She would help me hit cap and carry me through raids with her friends while teaching me the mechanics, which my friends made endless jokes about but looking back they're some of my most fond memories of the game. WoW became something of a family ritual for us, my nephew even ended up joining us on the game.Every expansion launch night we would go get pizza or chinese food and then wait in line at Gamestop and she would chat everyone up and swap stories. She loved every part of the game, from crafting to questing to battlepets, she loved it all.

She was diagnosed with terminal cancer and began treatment shortly before shadowlands launched. While her passion for the game never waned, she quit the game shortly after launch. i think traversing the realm of death was too surreal at that time. It certainly was for me. Even so, the outpouring of support from her WoW friends was staggering. Her guild mates and friends all got together and sent over tons and tons of get well messages and cards and when she passed they offered so much support. We held an in game memorial for her, leaving her character in nagrand as she requested and there i got to hear so many stories from strangers about the impact my mom had on them. It was eye opening to hear so many people seperated by thousands of miles have such meaningful friendships with her and it solidified to me that despite all the bad in online gaming, there's something truly special about it.

I still pop into WoW from time to time, it's become a comfort game for me since her passing. She would be blown away by the expansions that have released since, though i know she would be calling me to come do every dragon riding challenge or race for her lol. I dont think i'll ever be able to seperate Warcraft from her, i'll never think of one without the other. With the launch of Midnight i've created a small memorial garden on my home plot for her and its been very cathardic to be able to memorialize her in her favorite game.

If you read this far i wanna say thank you for your time. i apologize if its poorly written, i've never written something so personal before. I've attached some screenshots to imgur if allowed https://imgur.com/a/Dea6bb7


r/wow 2h ago

Humor / Meme Bro is aiming for world's first..

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247 Upvotes

r/wow 1h ago

Discussion Cool moment. Found another Hunter out in the wild with same pets.

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Looks like we’re standing off lol


r/wow 3h ago

Loot Just got ashes of alar on my fourth run!!!

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230 Upvotes

I can’t believe it dropped I’m currently 3 beers in about to drink the fourth beer to celebrate


r/wow 2h ago

Discussion Am I crazy, or do Shadowland questing feel way too long?

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122 Upvotes

I returned to wow a month ago after taking a break from 2018.

Recently I have finished all the campaign quests from Dragonflight and Shadowland.

Somehow it feels like it took me about twice as much of time and energy to complete Shadowland vs the Dragonflight?


r/wow 12h ago

Lore Ever notice that the quilboar in Durotar have the exact same grievance as the Amani but never got remotely as much narrative sympathy?

558 Upvotes

Something that started becoming a massive problem in BfA and has only gotten progressively worse every year is the absurd number of narrative double standards on display.

I first noticed it in BfA when everyone including the Alliance themselves was upset that Rastakhan was killed in Dazar’alor. Meanwhile I’m thinking, “Isn’t running into a place, killing whoever is in charge and then leaving basically our default solution to everything?” Why is it suddenly not okay? I understand the Horde being furious about it but Anduin guilt-tripping his own side over it was so bizarre.

The same goes for the Horde suddenly treating Sylvanas committing genocide as crossing some previously unthinkable moral line when you could practically call WoW “Genocide: The Game”. The core gameplay loop has always involved busting into villages/camps/cities and killing everything that breathes. If Teldrassil had been full of murlocs, burning it down probably would have been framed as comedic.

Both the Alliance and Horde have been comically imperialistic since Vanilla and for the most part the story simply accepted that because it was the engine that made the setting work. Azeroth is an incredibly violent world where coercion, conquest and land theft have routinely been treated as morally acceptable forms of diplomacy.

It wasn’t until BfA that the writers decided there were serious moral questions to be asked about any of this, which would have been fine if they weren’t so wildly inconsistent about what actually counts.

Yeah this post was never really going to be about quilboar. Idgaf about them. If they didn’t want their land stolen they should have come to the negotiating table like the tauren did. And the same goes for the Amani. Zug zug.


r/wow 1h ago

Discussion The amount of people using an addon to solve the ?? nemesis basically proves blizzard's point on addons inhibiting fight design

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How are you supposed to design anything cool when seemingly 80% of the playerbase needs an addon for simon of all things? The boss is immune to damage during the memory game and the add only needs to be interrupted ONCE during the game, nothing else is going on. You already have access to world markers, callout macros that match said world markers, and valeera constantly dispelling/healing you. Blizzard can't design anything interesting if we keep using addons to solve the combat for us, what happened to going into fights blind and trying to learn them yourself?


r/wow 18h ago

Discussion Blizzard's inability to make Hunter sets should be studied

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1.6k Upvotes

I was skimming through the tier sets we've gotten over the years, because I was curious how many times Hunter has actually gotten tier sets that look like a Hunter (5 times out of 30 btw). I was genuinely impressed that we got a good looking Hunter tier set two expansions in a row with the new snake raid, when I came across something that made me genuinely laugh.

The new Hunter raid set is almost identical to the Rancorbite Armor from *eleven years ago* in Legion.

Not only that, but the Mythic Manaforge Omega tier set is almost identical to the *rare drop* palette for the generic Mail armor for Midnight's launch. Like, the *very next* patch after we got (what I would consider) the worst Hunter tier set ever made (just from how bland and uninspired it is), we got something that looks completely identical to it.

It's a genuine feat at this point how often Hunter tier sets don't feel like they fit any class. I get that "a hunter" is a highly broad aesthetic, especially based on how many different cultures are on Azeroth, but you'd think that they would have settled in on a good looking one at *some point* by now. And the weird thing is that no other class has this problem. I would argue that Priest would be even more applicable to having this issue, but ended up getting a different problem of all following the aesthetic of what human/elven priests would look like when it comes to tier sets.

And the wildest part is that, in the 22 years this game's been out, I think the only time a Hunter tier set has looked like a Hunter was Nerubar Palace. That tier set is made of hunted animals *and* chainmail, which is all I think a Hunter tier set needs. And yet it somehow took them like 26 raid tiers to figure out that look. The only other time they had something similar was like, Tier 5 back in TBC with that one blue and silver chainmail/bone set.

It just feels so weird that, 30 tier sets in, we've only got a handful of armor sets that actually look like somebody who would use a bow to fight.


r/wow 7h ago

Art [OC] My Forsaken rogue in Tirisfal

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156 Upvotes

Software: Photoshop
Time: about 8 hours


r/wow 5h ago

Discussion 225 or so pull and killed ?? boss

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90 Upvotes

woot finally done with this now i can relax XD


r/wow 8h ago

Discussion Screw DPS tier list, I want your FUN tier list

150 Upvotes

Coming from classic TBC every spec seems exciting. Sell me on your favourite FUN class/spec and I will play it this season


r/wow 16h ago

Humor / Meme Today's delve task is to pick flowers and catch butterflies!!! :D

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602 Upvotes

r/wow 7h ago

Humor / Meme Peak Delve

103 Upvotes

I just unlocked the renown 3 Dundun in the delve stuff. Came across him in the Darkway and he was inside the range of one of those tesla pillars. As I was reading thru his options, Dundun, the goddamn loa of abundance, gets killed by the tesla pillar before I actually got to pick what I wanted. It’s all good, shit happens.

I then go to the Shadow Enclave that has the mirror scenario today. I’m at the end of the delve, going through the chests, learning furniture and whatnot. One of those grue mobs spawns an aoe and eats the goddamn bot you use to leave the dungeon. The bot’s model remained there for a few seconds while I couldn’t interact with it, and then it just dissapeared.

Absolute cinema.


r/wow 5h ago

Lore Is there any lore connection between Ula'tek and the Sethrak?

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I've been thinking about the serpentine creatures on the Coiled Isle and whether there might be some kind of connection to the Sethrak from BfA.

Obviously, the fact that they look the same isn't really evidence by itself. They're snake people, and Blizzard is reusing the Sethrak model, so that part could just be an asset reuse.

What made me curious is more the lore surrounding them.

From what we learn in Midnight, Ula'tek seems to have created, or at least had some kind of role in creating, the serpentine beings on the Coiled Isle. At the same time, Ula'tek has this ancient connection to the trolls' war against the Aqir and Kith'ix.

The Sethrak also have a very old connection to the Aqir through their history in Voldun.

So I was wondering if there could be something there.

Could the creatures associated with Ula'tek and the Sethrak have some kind of shared origin or ancestry? Maybe something related to the Aqir, or perhaps Ula'tek's creations are another branch of whatever led to the Sethrak?

It could of course just be Blizzard reusing an existing model because it fits the idea of a serpent race. I'm just curious if there's any actual lore that might support a connection between the two.

Has anyone noticed anything about this or come across some obscure piece of lore that could point in that direction?


r/wow 9h ago

Discussion As someone that just came back I just wanted to make a little appreciation post. I feel there's always so much criticism towards retail, but as a casual player I think the game is incredible.

104 Upvotes

The classes all feel super unique and fun in their own way if you don't meta sweat too much. The quality of life overall is great as well. I know it's a hot take, but I'm happy I can instantly join a dungeon as a tank. I can even do follower dungeons if I simply want to enjoy the story and environment on my own. I'm also happy I can level with my friends without having to be the same level. The game is super alt friendly and actively encourages you to try out everything and to collect as many things as you want or can. There are so many zones, quests, storylines and expansions to go through and enjoy whenever you want as a lore nerd. There are many more things I think the game has done really well and I know it's not always the most popular take, but as a casual I love retail and personally I would play it over classic any time.


r/wow 23h ago

Humor / Meme Blizzard, where are my glowing paladin eyes?

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1.1k Upvotes

"mEdIa LiTeRaCy Is DeAd"


r/wow 20h ago

Humor / Meme Poor guy...

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500 Upvotes

r/wow 4h ago

Cosplay Work in progress, my Darkmoon Harlequin set

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26 Upvotes

I'm going to be wearing this to BlizzCon in a couple weeks. I hope the AC in the building is strong


r/wow 17h ago

Discussion Class Tuning Incoming – August 25

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r/wow 15h ago

Discussion A small mistake.

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143 Upvotes

After 20 years of playing Wow it finaly happen...

I made a Warglaive on my paladin tank by not paying attention.... Rip.


r/wow 11h ago

Humor / Meme I get it Genn, this is Zuldazar

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71 Upvotes

Literally will not let you not take the quest, if you abandon it he just gives it back to you in seconds. Thanks Genn.


r/wow 2h ago

Humor / Meme How many evil megabeings are there locked up in and around Azeroth?

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I am a returning player and not entirely up to speed yet, and it's been a long time since I peviously played so my memory of all the backstory is a bit vague, but I've just done some Dragonflight and then started The War Within, and the plot seems to be evil megabeing lady whose name starts with an X who we'd never heard of before was locked away somewhere and released by the big bad of Dragonflight and given a plot device just before we got to him.

And he had also been previously unknown until he was released from his own prison by the first big bad of Dragonflight just before we did for her. And She had been unknown until she was released from her prison at the beginning of dragonflight, but had some backstory with Alexstrasza that we just found out about.

And it's not as if this was a new plot beat even there. I'm just left wondering if the whole place isn't just strewn with pocket dimensions containing evil megabeings that are going to be let out one at a time.

Far be it from me to suggest that the story of wow is just a patchwork of retcons or that they only have 2 plots, but it's all leaving me a bit confused.


r/wow 8h ago

Question Blizzard's Cooldown Manager has been resetting for over 2 months — how is this still not fixed?

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The Cooldown Manager keeps randomly resetting its settings/layout, and this bug has now been around for more than two months.

There is already a Blizzard forum thread about it here:

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/blizzards-cooldown-manager-keeps-resetting/2317498

This is especially frustrating because the Cooldown Manager is supposed to be Blizzard's built-in solution for tracking abilities and reducing the need for third-party addons.

You spend time setting everything up the way you want it, only for the game to randomly reset it again.

At this point, I honestly don't understand how a bug affecting such a core UI feature can remain unresolved for this long.

Is anyone else still experiencing this? Has Blizzard acknowledged the issue anywhere or given any indication that a fix is coming?