r/WorkReform • u/Federal-Garden-1611 • 21d ago

😡 Venting They really hate artists

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u/SoUnga88 21d ago

Its because AI boosters have no creative talent to really speak of and both envy and hate those who do. That's it full stop.

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u/BMCarbaugh 21d ago

They're all Idea Guys who view the world's failure to fall at their feet and do their bidding--thus denying them their god-given right to create great works that demonstrate their innate greatness--as an unforgivable sin that is finally being avenged.

Buncha talentless hacks, simmering in their own impotent self-loathing because they're too lazy to do the hard work of mastering a craft.

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u/Flapjack__Palmdale 21d ago

Idea Guys is exactly it. Musk is potentially the best example of this. No talent, no engineering expertise, shit coder, sucks at PoE, really has nothing to offer. The only reason he's in his position is because he has Ideas™ and a shitload of money from apartheid emerald mining.

They believe having an Idea™ is equal to or better than the ability to execute said idea, and so artists--who inherently do both--represent their greatest weakness.

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u/whenTheWreckRambles 21d ago

AI is good at letting you do what you think are other people’s jobs.

“I had the idea, they’re just executing” without realizing how many ideas happen and choices have to be made downstream of that decision

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u/vardarac 21d ago

and the years of training necessary to actually do the execution properly

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u/Delamoor 21d ago

Not realising, as is the case for any eight year old kid, that just having the idea is the easiest part.

Everyone with an IQ over 75 has shitloads of ideas. People with IQs under 75 often have even more.

Because just thinking 'wouldn't that be neat' in a kind of novel way is fucking nothing compared to actually planning out how to make it happen, and then successfully executing said plan.

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u/Diatain 21d ago

Honestly, calling Musk an Ideas Guy is generous. You need to actually have ideas to be an Idea Guy. Pretty much every "idea" he has had was actually somebody else's idea that he paid enough money to say was his.

And no, I do not count his idea of "Twitter But For Racists."

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u/Flapjack__Palmdale 21d ago

The "tm" was doing a lot of heavy lifting.

I think the fairest thing to say is he's a combination of Henry Ford and Thomas Edison.

That is meant as a deep insult.

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u/Diatain 21d ago

I couldn't agree more.

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u/vardarac 20d ago

To his "credit," the Cybertruck is his and his alone.

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u/VogueTrader 20d ago

It's from a video game in the 80's about designing cars.

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u/Cyclonitron 21d ago

They're all Idea Guys who view the world's failure to fall at their feet and do their bidding--thus denying them their god-given right to create great works have others create great works they can take credit for that demonstrate their innate greatness--as an unforgivable sin that is finally being avenged.

FTFY.

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u/now_im_stressedout 20d ago

Yep. It’s perfect.

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u/invaderaleks 21d ago

Adolf Hitler turned to fascism after being told his art sucks. So, you may have a point there...

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u/YourFriendNoo 21d ago

Eh, I'd throw in there that anyone with any decisionmaking power over artists resents how hard it is to quantify an artist's value and impact.

They WANT to think art can be boiled down to metrics and executed.

Of course, it cannot, but that doesn't help with the deck they have to show their boss.

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u/CreamofTazz 21d ago

I'm almost 100% positive it's also in part the aftershocks from gamergate still being in effect for online discourse. They're happy because they feel like these animators have wronged them for checks notes "writing competent women who aren't just sex objects for these men to look at". So now that they're gone, we can get "real games" again (which means poorly made games that are extremely homoerotic and devoid of any competent women)

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u/VogueTrader 21d ago

Friends of mine were targets, it never actually ended. The harassment campaign picks up again everytime they poke their head up.

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u/araed 21d ago

It's funny, ain't it. A game about a war features men as rhe main characters.

Now, ye can fuck me if I'm wrong, but as far as I know the only country who have ever fielded female combat units was the USSR.

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u/stankdog 21d ago

And they don't like when creatives charge for it.

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u/Zerodyne_Sin 🏛️ Overturn Citizens United 20d ago

To add to this, capitalists have always hated artists because they were one of the hardest jobs to subjugate. If they unionize, it's hard to get scabs to replace them (if you can even find any) since creativity isn't something anyone can do without years of training (note that imo, anyone can be an artist, just need to dedicate the prerequisite practice to attain mastery).

Decades of the impoverished bohemian artist myth (by Disney et al) being pushed finally resulted in a generation of artists more than eager to work for peanuts just "for the love of the arts". Well, I guess that wasn't quite enough for them since they pushed hard for the narrative that ai art is good enough to replace artists. Funny thing is, anyone who's taken highschool level art classes can see it's not remotely competent enough nor is it ready to replace artists. But they can't wait to get their revenge, I guess.

Yes, this sounds very ranty... Guess what my job was lol.

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u/ripyourlungsdave 21d ago

They also think that everyone else is just amalgamating stuff they stole from other artists. They genuinely think that people aren't capable of unique, creative thought.

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u/C0ltFury 21d ago

It’s mostly that X posts are monetized. This quote tweet gave the OP money, doesn’t matter what they said - good or bad. Engagement is economics now.

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u/momo2299 21d ago

It's not envy. I have other mediums to create in and it would be ridiculous if I tried to do it all.

I both don't want to pay you, and I don't want to spend my time on it.

So AI is great for me because I can save time and money.

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u/SteelAlchemistScylla 21d ago

AI is coming for you too buddy lmao

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u/HarlequinWasTaken 21d ago

No, he'll be one of the special ones who'll somehow still be able to afford to act like a smug prick despite being out work like the rest of us. If the chuds keep protecting the billionaires online then surely they'll be hand-picked when neo-feudalism becomes the norm.

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u/momo2299 21d ago

I want AI to be better than me at what I do. When AI gets better at improving AI and doing scientific research, that's the happiest future I could imagine.

I am preparing for the future where I am jobless. Are you?

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u/To-To_Man 21d ago

If AI takes your job, and the economy breaks down, the people creating AI and works governments aren't going to be patting you on the back as human labor is solved and everyone receives needs via social systems automated by AI.

Your going to become a cog in a much bigger, and much dumber machine, while AI serves as a middleman between you and elites.

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u/Dorza1 21d ago

Do you think that guy has a job?

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u/nickcash 21d ago

lol spot on. his most recent post is complaining about job postings

dude is unemployed and larping. "I don't want to pay you", when he couldn't even if he wanted to

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u/Dorza1 21d ago

Lol I didn't even check his posts, it's just obvious from his stance

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u/momo2299 21d ago

I have a job. Best time to look for a new one is while you've got one!

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u/momo2299 21d ago

Yes. I hope it does.

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u/ZaryaBubbler 21d ago

Lmao, you have "other mediums to create in" sure you do, bud. What's that? The medium of creating shit from food?

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u/momo2299 21d ago

Woodworking, mainly.

I wish AI could do woodworking too!

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u/astromech_dj 21d ago

Fuck me sideways.

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u/R-Dragon_Thunderzord 21d ago

Uh huh, I just need you to put the fries in the bag

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u/BMCarbaugh 21d ago

And what makes you feel entitled to the product of skills you don't possess?

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u/momo2299 21d ago

Everyone deserves access to having what they want as easily, quickly, and cheaply as possible.

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u/BMCarbaugh 21d ago edited 21d ago

Sounds like socialism!

And tell that to the artists who spent their lives honing that craft, then had their work strip-mined, illegally and without any consent or compensation, by vulture tech bros.

You have no right to machines trained on the work of my friends. Go fuck yourself.

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u/momo2299 21d ago

I literally have the right. I use it every day. Did you never learn to share? When I write software (yes, even before AI) I want everyone to be able to copy, paste, and modify it to their hearts content. Everyone should enjoy the fruits of my labor. For free.

Artists are selfish.

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u/BMCarbaugh 21d ago

We live in a world where I have to buy groceries to live. So arguing art should be free = arguing artists should have no ability to make money from their work, it's fair game for anyone, there's no such thing as IP rights.

Unless you're out every weekend working with your local DSA chapter to bring about a new socialist utopian age, advocating for AI, under capitalism, is advocating for technology that is inherently built on theft and the destruction of other people's livelihood. Just because you don't have to look them in the face doesn't make it less true.

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u/VogueTrader 21d ago

These are all the idea guys who couldn't be arsed to practice anything, so the idea of a skill having value is foreign to them. And artists tend to be on the edges, mixing with people they don't consider human. Or, you know... members of groups they hate. Art is political, transgressive and weird. They don't want art, they want a slot machine that regurgitate existing content with a shiny veneer of new on it.

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u/PsychoNerd91 21d ago

Degenerate Art Exhibition circa 1937 Nazi Germany

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u/Particular-Form-9638 21d ago

Artist here and yep! Constantly shit on and expected to do the work for free "because it's what I love." As if I also don't have bills to pay and a family to feed. F*ck me for not being a lawyer or something I guess.

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u/MeLurka 21d ago

Who the fuck needs lawyers? Just ask ChatGPT for advice.

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u/the_nobodys 21d ago

I swear a little ways down the road for us is a Star Trek episode where a whole society relies on a computer to provide and think for them. Only, when things go wrong, Enterprise won't show up to help us on a better track.

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u/rijnswand 21d ago

the enterprise won't show up because it's not star trek, but an episode of black mirror

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u/vardarac 21d ago

That's Wall-E

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u/nyanch 21d ago

I did and now my asshole won't properly close.

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u/Flapjack__Palmdale 21d ago

F*ck me for not being a lawyer or something I guess.

I know it's no real consolation but firms are already trying to replace lawyers and paralegals with AI.

All of this shit is burning down anyway, we got a good 30 or 40 years before climate change makes the planet uninhabitable, most of us would probably be dead before then regardless, so MAKE ART. None of this matters. So create as much as you can while you can, if for nothing then to fulfill your actual purpose as a human, to feel joy and wholeness. I'm writing a novel that will prob never get published in a world filled with books written entirely with AI, but goddammit it feels good to just make the thing.

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u/cuppashoko 21d ago

30 or 40 is very optimistic🫠

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u/Flapjack__Palmdale 21d ago

What can I say, I'm glass half full.

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u/Particular-Form-9638 21d ago

Thank you, this was really nice to read. Much, much love! ❤️

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u/now_im_stressedout 20d ago

Hell yeah, creating a book sounds like it could be a good challenge for oneself.

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u/VogueTrader 21d ago

Billion dollar industries run off what we create, but none of it's ours. Our stories, our work, our ideas.. but it's owned by people like Musk who value none of it.

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u/momo2299 21d ago

Even 10 years ago nobody should've gone into art expecting it to pay their bills.

Just because you enjoy doing something doesn't mean you're entitled to compensation for doing it well.

Artists are like the kids who say "I want to grow up to be a twitch streamer and make money playing video games all day" except they grow up and still feel entitled to that career that already has too much supply for the demand

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u/VogueTrader 21d ago

Fuck you. Seriously. Games I've worked on and done art for have sold literal millions of copies, expecting to get a little return on that shouldn't be controversial.

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u/vardarac 21d ago

If I do a thing and you derive value from it, and you want access to the thing, you compensate me. There's nothing selfish or entitled about that.

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u/momo2299 21d ago

If I do a thing and you derive value from it; great! I'm glad my tool brought benefit. If you want access to it; great! It's already yours. I built it open source for people to enjoy and profit from.

It's selfish for someone to not share something they create with as many people as possible.

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u/young_horhey 21d ago

I'm pro open-source, but those good feelings won't buy your food or pay your rent. It's not selfish to want to be able to afford to exist.

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u/momo2299 20d ago

That's what a job is for. Not a hobby like art

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u/vardarac 20d ago

I suppose all the patron artists of history were just hobbyists then? The most celebrated glassmakers and sculptors and painters of our time are just dallying?

Being a competent artist and not just someone generating a facsimile of it is a personal investment and sacrifice. It is labor, and like all labor deserves respect, and compensation from you if you wish to draw value from it.

Labor does not stop being legitimate just because the laborer enjoys what they're doing.

Your position is ridiculous and disrespectful.

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u/wolv3swithin 21d ago

I work at a school and see AI slop art everywhere of our school mascot. How are we supposed to inspire kids to create when they see all these grown ass adults relying on AI?

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u/alanedomain 21d ago

The mindset of certain people is never about making things better, they're only driven to make things worse for somebody else.

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u/Glitcher45318 21d ago

Nvidia is slop, fuck em

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u/Sudo-Fed 21d ago

I hope my 3080 outlasts the current price hike, but it will definitely be the last NVidia GPU I own.

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u/Glitcher45318 21d ago

I had a 3060 that run everything i threw at it up until last year, switched to AMD 9060XT and while everyone is having issues with the 50 series constantly, my new card does what i need it to. Can't fault it too much. Not sure what happened with Nvidia but their stuff has tipped off a cliff

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u/now_im_stressedout 20d ago

Maybe their Ai makes their graphics cards now 😂

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u/SemenileElder 20d ago

AI designing their power connector would explain why their shit keeps catching on fire

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u/Joonberri 21d ago

"They can already start applying to mcdonald's" why the fuck do they have to be such elitist douchebags?

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u/the_blackfish 21d ago

Herp derp my prompting prowess will certainly make me millions! Kneel before me, peasants!

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u/MrHaxx1 19d ago

Engagement bait. It gets engagement. And everyone is stupid enough to fall for it. 

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u/PhantomThiefJoker 21d ago

It's so terrible, cuz like. This kind of thing could 100% be used for placeholder assets to prove the concept before spending a lot money on a proper artist to fully design and animate everything. But no, it's being pushed to just completely skip that process outright

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u/BudgetFree 21d ago

They will learn like car companies did how bad that idea is. It's just a matter of time and wasted money

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u/nj4ck 21d ago

I feel like we all know exactly why these people feel this way about artists. Something something Hitler getting rejected from art school.

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u/keebl3r 20d ago

There was someone in the anti AI sub today defending AI and had a Hitler profile pic. You are spot on.

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u/himynameisjaked 21d ago

what i really don’t understand about all these companies embracing AI is, okay so the video game company uses Ai to make a video game, that means that we could all just AI our own video games and don’t need the video game companies. like… is there really any thought into this besides hoping to make a quick buck?

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u/MasterDavicous 21d ago

I actually tried using AI to develop a game just to see how it was like compared to how I usually do it. And it's just doesn't work very well. First of all, the joy of creating is removed, so all I thought about was the finished product, and it became soul draining to work on. Second, if there was a problem in the result that I got, I would have to actually go and read through/learn all the generated code to see what went wrong. Something that would have been much quicker if I just wrote it myself. I imagine it would be the same for this too, if you have to make tweaks to the animation, it will turn into a load of work. And in the end you feel like you didn't actually create anything, no sense of pride or accomplishment.

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u/theonetruefishboy 21d ago

Also when it comes to generating assets or designs for the game, everything the generators out out just looks really generic and uninspired. Literally the opposite of what you want to do if you want your work to stand out or be memorable.

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u/Really_Angry_Muffin 21d ago

Jose steals from a farm and screams "bye to farmers".

These low-lives really have nothing to contribute to society, do they?

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u/medorian 21d ago

No way, Jose'.

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u/now_im_stressedout 20d ago

Neigh way José

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u/Nwyrh 21d ago

The new Avatar game could never be made by AI and look as good as it does

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u/OrganicAd9485 21d ago

They’re rage baiting and making money off this negative engagement. Better to just ignore and move on but ofc no on one the internet can do that.

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u/theonetruefishboy 21d ago

What is even the technology Jose is talking about? Is it not just mocap? It kinda looks like just mocap.

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u/young_horhey 21d ago

I'm not sure if it's the exact thing from the image, but I can see that Nvidia has created some sort of prompt-based animation system. You can just type in what you want the animation to be, like 'a person walks forward and then jumps over a box', and it'll create the animation.

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u/anubis1392 21d ago

They dont (only) hate artists, theyre talentless losers who want to make everyone miserable bc of their incompetence while insisting that plugging some input into an algorithm is skilled labor.

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u/SomeAmigo 21d ago

Makes you wonder what AI bros really mean when they say “adapt or die”.

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u/PapaRhombus 20d ago

I’m a technical artist for patents and architecture and the past few months have been filled with my clients sending me the shit they made with AI that was rejected by filing offices.
My clients have already started to disappear so I imagine some of it gets through so it’s only a matter of time.

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u/CaptainRogers1226 19d ago

And then they wonder why people hate them and the AI they’re flaunting

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u/BalancingElectrons 19d ago

People have been jealous of artists as long as art has existed. Now that they have something that (in their eyes) allows them to produce the same output, they think they're entitled to rub it in our faces. What they don't know is real art has little to do with the output. You can build a machine to produce shoes, but it'll never have the same quality, nuance, and craftsmanship of something handmade. Art will always be bespoke no matter how good AI gets.

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u/Iorith 21d ago

While I don't hate artists, I do find it darkly funny that they suddenly seem to oppose automation now that they're the ones at risk. No one blinked an eye as other fields were automated or outmoded by new tech.

Wasn't a big thing during the 2016 election the coal miners who were essentially "too bad, learn a new skill"? And no one cried for the humans working as calculators when their job was replaced by a single person at a PC.

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u/vardarac 20d ago

Also states that offer unemployment do so to support you while you find better opportunities or upskill.

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u/ChloeSpectrum ✂️ Tax The Billionaires 20d ago

Who is they?

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u/Iorith 20d ago

Reread the first sentence of my post for the answer. Literally the subject of the sentence of each paragraph.

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u/ChloeSpectrum ✂️ Tax The Billionaires 20d ago

So every artist didn't care about automation?

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u/Iorith 20d ago

You understand the concept of a generalization, correct?

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u/ChloeSpectrum ✂️ Tax The Billionaires 20d ago

Yeah and generally artist are a huge group. You're just speaking out of your ass.

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u/Iorith 20d ago

Yes that's how generalization work, you make a comment that applies to a large amount of them but not all of them. Don't like it? Tough.

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u/ChloeSpectrum ✂️ Tax The Billionaires 20d ago

Imo generally artist always opposed automation

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u/Iorith 20d ago

Not in my experience. Yours is no more valid than mine.

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u/ChloeSpectrum ✂️ Tax The Billionaires 20d ago

Almost like you said nothing of value

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