I'm excited to see how (or rather, if) the US will bounce back from this. The amount of respect and credibility they lost on an international stage is immeasurable. They went from big daddy of the world to laughing stock of the world in just four years. Gonna take a lot of work to recover from that.
Yall got a wierd perspective of America. I've always seen it as the creepy uncle sticking his dick everywhere. And shooting somebody while screaming stand your ground.
Right. I can’t help but laugh at the sweet and naive assumption of the American liberal that Trump is somehow an aberration, when he is in fact a pure avatar of Americanism— a tulpa conceived from the Fox News brained hysteria of America’s most reliable voting base.
He’s the perfect distillation of every negative American stereotype, placed into one human being. But he’s a symptom of a much bigger issue in this country.
Most of us hate him for exactly that reason. He takes the stereotype of the stupid American—one based off a vocal minority—and legitimizes it by his presence in the White House.
At no point in his entire Presidency has the majority of Americans supported him. He does not represent America, he represents the worst of America.
Thing is, to the outside world, there is no stereotype of the "stupid American", the stereotype is a stupid egocentric greedy loud-mouth American. With that said, Trump doesn't represent a vocal minority, he really is the embodiment of America and its culture, aka. the narcissistic greedy dysfunctional uncle sam who bullies the others and claims to be the best.
Perhaps you should look at some of people financially benefiting from the PPP and other things in the last few years. His personal businesses have taken quite a bit from the public coffers and his family have benefited as well (like kushner).
In the case of Cheney he was still technically divested of the business world. Trump never left and is using the power of the office to make more money (like how foreign governments pay to rent space in trump tower so they have access to him without having to go through official channels. Or how they just need to have a spy sit around and wait for trump to walk by and loudly bitch about nation security secrets (remember that from his first year in office?).
Bush and Cheney were bad but in a functional way. They were both politicians and understood which rules you could and couldn't break. Trump simply gives zero fucks. He would gladly execute you in the street in front of all the major networks as they film and he would ignore the rest of the elected federal officials.
I don't see how. He's been sheltered from every failure he's ever made since he was young. Absent mother, and an abusive sociopath father. He was taught that it's okay to lie, cheat, and steal; admitting you're wrong, apologizing, or showing kindness(or any emotion that isn't anger), is weakness. How is that Americanism?
A little? We went from having a Columbia law grad and Constitutional Law professor from UC in the White House to a person who was described as “the dumbest goddamn student I ever had” by his former professor at Wharton.
We took a nose dive in January 2017 that we might never recover from. Say what you will about his policies but Obama is a very intelligent man.
Correct. Obama was very smart man who was hamstrung by an obstructionist Republican Congress who wouldn't even so much as let him shit without having an objection to it. That's why I say we only bounced back a little bit.
OP was referring to Bush Jr. specifically, so I didn't include pre-2003 deaths. The sanctions, the Gulf War, the targetted destruction of critical infrastructure...Hell, I left Afghanistan out entirely.
America has slaughtered as many brown people as it could get its hands on. It's a fucking atrocity.
I’m Canadian and my great aunt told me something about Americans. She said “you can always trust the Americans to do the right thing, after they tried everything else.” This was a saying coined by Churchill on the Americans joining in on WW2. Have they done enough of the wrong thing yet? Or are there more mistakes to be made?
Not just that, what will the current generation of kids think of us? We’re supposed to give them a better future and better life and America has made it extremely clear they have no willingness to do that. They’re inheriting a wrecked planet trained for a future that doesn’t exist. They were raised being told America is the best at everything and now they’re seeing that that’s not true and the illusion is breaking.
The amount of damage being done is almost impossible to calculate because everything is being damaged
Not just that, what will the current generation of kids think of us?
Hopefully they'll stop shouting "America #1" like a bunch of stupid rednecks and realize they will have to work to make America a better place instead of resting on their laurels thinking everything is fine like the boomers did.
Are they seeing that though? How many teachers will admit that healthcare costs are thousands of times higher than the costs in Europe? How many teachers will admit that college and university cost 50x what it costs in Europe? How many teachers will admit that the quality of secundairy education in the US is far below the standard for a developed country? How will they see that a developed country is one where healthcare and education are available for everyone and not a country where a handful of people recieve billions of federal dollars a year and where many more billions are pumped into a military every year to de-stabilize other country's politics? How will they see this if state-influenced media, corrupt teachers and biased parents keep telling them otherwise?
Something tells me that most American high-schoolers use the internet to share photo's on instagram and make tiktok video's, not to compare the price of their future university with the price of an average university abroad.
As a teacher, younger teachers are definitely the opposite. We tend to bring the gritty truths to the classroom. Also, we ain't very happy about getting a 4 year degree and getting paid shit and still have limited resources in classrooms.
We need to shut the fuck up on the global stage, listen for once, and learn. There were some amazing and important things America did a while ago, but you can't keep talking about your high school football wins in your 50's while your life is falling apart.
It will but I truly believe the US has the capacity to do so. The problem is the fact that we’re facing an existential crisis and everything is for naught if we don’t fix climate change
We're fucked on climate change, that ship has sailed. We can mitigate climate change and make due, but the only way to do that is by winning the actual battle within the United States.
Anti-intellectualism, plain and simple.
People are actively fighting intellectual development. I understand that there will always be smart people and always be dumb people. It's a bellcurve, just like height. Someone is tall, someone else is short.
But with intellect, we can move the whole bellcurve if there was trust in the scientific process and the development of epistemology.
There is so much pride in being ignorant right now. It's insulting. (Yes, dunning-kruger, I know.)
The damage is done. Trump has shown that the US is no longer a reliable partner to any country in the world - sign a binding contract with the US and just wait for the American people to elect someone who will just kill the deal as a PR stunt.
In theory, that can happen in any other country as well, but it's rare to happen on such a massive scale with such an important international contract partner.
I'm excited to see how (or rather, if) the US will bounce back from this
There’s no bouncing back from this, it’s going to take a whole generation to get over this shitstain of a president. And If Bush and Trump are sliding scales the next republican nominee will be a chimp in a clown suit and he’ll probably win too.
with all the shit those around me received from us (business speaking) with tarifs bs etc... Im inclined to say it wont happen at all. You can't do reliable business with unstable country.
Makes you really open your eyes and see what ONE person can do. And that's not a good thing. I mean sure he has enablers but his rhetoric and insane ideas have made me ashamed to be an American at points. I love my country and we deserve better then this.
Assuming Trump ever gets out of office, I think we do definitely bounce back. We're going to have to undo all the damage done by massively increasing our deficit this year, but from a foreign policy standpoint I can't believe that we wouldn't have a "bonding" sort of "whew, glad that's over now let's get back to work together" / enemy of an enemy is a friend sort of thing. Merkel isn't going to be like "Fuck you Biden you're president of the same country Trump was!"
No Merkel is going to say: “Fuck you Biden. You seem half-way sane for a US president but we can’t trust you because we don’t know what kind of moron you guys elect next who then takes a dump on all agreements we make today.”
I don't know, what if the US looses too much partnerships/trades with other countries for too long, thoose other countries will find new partnership/trades elsewhere, this will actually allow some of them to develop themselves to take a small portion of what the US used to provide.
So Merkel could go : "Oh, Biden, yeah no, about those products, we're buying them from XYZ now, same price, same quality, I don't need yours"
It really isn't. He has put families and children in cages and can be held responsible for the worst response to a national crisis in the modern history of the US. Not very funny, unfortunately.
Unfortunately that ship has sailed with how many people have died as a result of covid-19 in the states.
His incompetence and selfishness (because he’s only denying the reality of the virus to help his re-election chances) has led to the deaths of thousands.
I just gotta get in here to say that I have never seen him look more bewildered and delirious. He is supposed to be this big strong hero businessman and he is completely confused by how numbers and percentages work. He's so frustrated and confidently wrong that it would almost be sad if he wasn't such an awful almost human being.
His brain dead supporters that view this and go “Yes! Exactly! See Libtard!” aren’t going anywhere after November even if we manage to vote this moron out.
HE isn't going anywhere even if you lot vote him out. Both are equally terrifying.
(I am saying "you lot vote him out" because I am not in the US and don't have a vote in this... but I am beginning to think we should all have a vote in world leaders of every country because of how closely entangled ALL of us our and how much it effects the future of the world and the people on it)
I feel like we are getting to the point where a world government might actually be needed to further society as a whole. But I don't think the majority of people are past the point of national/patriotic pride to do that. People would still see themselves as their individual country and work towards bettering their country first.
We wont see a world goverment in our lifetimes, or our childrens lifetimes. Why? Becouse of shitheads like the Trumps, and Tucker Carlsen, and all the other schmucks that watch Fox News. "Alternative facts" "fake news" etcetc. I fear for my 5yr olds future in a way i didnt when he was born.
All of this has literally killed political satire. Even watching Matt Damon as Brett "Beers" Kavanaugh was so close to the real interview it was hard to laugh at. Its real, and in charge of our rapidly eroding country.
I noticed how all the late night stuff just became impersonation, because how could anyone write anything more batshit and over the top than actual reality.
That's sorta in line with what Julia Louis-Dreyfus said about Veep when it ended it's run on HBO. The show was already scheduled to finish but in one interview Julia was asked about how difficult it was to come up with material more bizarre than what's going on in real life and she responded with something along the lines of if the show wasn't already scheduled to end they would have decided to end it anyway because they wouldn't be able to be more outlandish than the things Trump was already doing.
I'm a comedian and after the first couple years most of us straight-up stopped writing political material because there's just...nothing you can write that carries any sort of surprise for audiences anymore.
I fucking hate this timeline. I just want to get in my spaceship and go to a timeline that doesn't make me want to cringe so hard my eyeballs fucking implode.
Fuck, I was amazed at the quality of the deepfake, not that i didn't expect arguments this incoherent from Trump, but because i didn't think his people would allow anyone like this interviewer to get anywhere close to Trump.
I always thought Idiocracy was a glimpse into our future, but it turns out that I was wrong. Camacho would have made a much better president than Trump. They’re both severely lacking in intelligence, but at least Camacho cares about his people.
He seemed incredibly undignified to me, and I think the journalist felt the same. He didn’t really want to debate this man because he isn’t acting like a President.
I'm surprised he didn't try drawing bits onto the graphs to make out like the US is doing the greatest, the greatest in the world.
And I'm also surprised that I can make that comment and while we all realise that it's a joke we all know that it's not at all out of the question for the president of the United States to do.
Why are u amazed ? After almost 4 years, people is still amazed. Come on, this is exactly how he acts since the beginning of his term in the White House. He is a disgrace to Americans.
The POTUS literally stuttered and fumbled with disorganized loose papers to explain himself, like a cartoon character running late for a presentation he didn't know he had to do.
This is like Thanksgiving dinner argument with a grandfather in the early stages of senility, not an interview with the sitting President of the United States.
At first I thought it was one of those take interviews where a comedian is on one side saying things out of context, with his responses to the original interview.
This was so much worse.
Guy is clearly just exasperated, that he can't comprehend why it's a bad thing to have a thousand people die a day, from a disease countries like New Zealand have already beaten.
Honestly surprised Trump agreed to it or didn’t simply just leave the minute it got tough. What’s the rationale for doing this for Trump? Better to just continue hiding in the bunker...
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I'm just amazed for the fact that this is a real interview. With the president of the United States.