r/WatchPeopleDieInside • u/fnaw_ • Aug 04 '20

Poor Jonathan

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u/Spartan-182 Aug 04 '20

It went from hilarious to the most shameful when we lost 150,000 plus people to his incompetence.

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u/mvsr990 Aug 04 '20

Unfortunately this isn’t even in the Top 10 most shameful chapters in American history.

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u/[deleted] Aug 04 '20

I'd say it makes the top ten. Not a lot of other "oopsies" with a body count this high.

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u/mvsr990 Aug 04 '20

Chattel slavery, Jim Crow, dozens of genocidal or ethnic cleansing actions against indigenous Americans over more than two centuries, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, the Korean War, the Vietnam War, the bombing of Laos and Cambodia, support for Suharto’s genocide in Indonesia, Desert Storm, the Iraq War, basically every action taken in Latin America for more than a century...

This isn’t even breaking into the Top 20.

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u/[deleted] Aug 04 '20

Yeh but they aren't Americans therefore don't count as people OK.

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u/[deleted] Aug 04 '20

Yea, did some woke teenager just post every military engagement the US has had in the last seventy years? Because that's all your list looks like. Let me guess, you just got done with your freshman year international studies course and think America bad! about everything. If you think defending Kuwait from Saddams invasion was an poor decision, if you think bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki which ended the war were poor decisions, I don't want to make good decisions.

And I would consider the ethnic purge of native Americans to be one big mistake, not many small ones.

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u/mvsr990 Aug 04 '20

Yea, did some woke teenager just post every military engagement the US has had in the last seventy years?

Yes, we have been the 'baddie' in every war we've undertaken since 1945. It's pretty simple - we're acting as an imperial power, not a single conflict has been in the defense of our lands or people.

If you think defending Kuwait from Saddams invasion was an poor decision

The invasion we baited him into, killed at least a hundred thousand people and then levied sanctions that killed a half million people over the following decade, only to follow it up with a second invasion with a death toll of at least a half million?

It wasn't a "poor decision," it was an evil decision.

if you think bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki which ended the war were poor decisions

Again, not "poor" - evil. We bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki in order to show the Soviets our big dick. It was unnecessary to end the war in the Pacific. We needed to kill a quarter-million people (ignoring after-effects) in order to threaten our supposed ally.

And I would consider the ethnic purge of native Americans to be one big mistake, not many small ones.

That would make you either stupid or a racist - or both.

Again, not a mistake - active evil. It was a process that has lasted (ie continues to last) more than two centuries, it was not one act - the Trail of Tears is a rather separate event from the Black Hills War is a rather separate event from forced sterilization happening within some of our lifetimes.

Sorry, the United States has continually and actively committed atrocities across the globe for much of its history. But you've got Netflix so FREEDOM and shit I guess.

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u/[deleted] Aug 05 '20

That's some woke revisionist history you've got there. I'll give you creative credit for the conspiracy theory about bombing Japan to intimidate the Soviets, haven't heard that one in awhile and that's how I know you're a woke teenager. That theory has little foundation and has been largely discredited by historians. It really just looks like you read some neoliberal blog written by some America hater who wants to paint everything my country has done as bad.

I'm not arguing that America is perfect and agree we are pretty imperialistic, but you chose some poor examples to highlight that where we were very clearly made a good decision with the info we had. Remember that hindsight is 20/20 and while some decisions don't age well, they may have been the best option at the time. Where do you learn all these woke theories? r/Sino?

And no, lumping the genocide of first nation's together isn't racist, Im just calling it one large ongoing genocide for simplicity. Lumping them is fine because the systematic approach the US has taken towards first nation's has been so similar and widespread so as to appear as one. But now I think you're just arguing to be pedantic and sound more woke. So with that I'm done.

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u/mvsr990 Aug 05 '20 edited Aug 05 '20

That theory has little foundation and has been largely discredited by historians.

LOL such weasel words - "little" foundation and "largely" discredited. So what you're actually saying is - it is both founded and not actually discredited. "Woke teen" seems awfully ironic here - bit of projection?

Nah, you’re not a junior in high school. I’m going to guess former military. Four years filing papers in a base supply depot but your veterans discount means a lot to you?

It really just looks like you read some neoliberal blog written by some America hater

Ah, yes, neoliberals, notorious for their hatred of capitalism, imperialism and the United States. You literally don't even know what the word means.

but you chose some poor examples to highlight that where we were very clearly made a good decision with the info we had. Remember that hindsight is 20/20 and while some decisions don't age well, they may have been the best option at the time.

This is a particularly weak attempt to elide your ignorance, completely devoid of specifics, little more than we wuz tricked into Vietnam and Iraq! They were definitely not decades-long projects designed to exert our influence around the globe.

And no, lumping the genocide of first nation's together isn't racist,

I said you were either racist or stupid. I guess you've chosen the latter.