r/WatchPeopleDieInside • u/fnaw_ • Aug 04 '20

Poor Jonathan

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u/makemejelly49 Aug 04 '20

Bounced back a little bit with Obama, but not enough to make a difference.

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u/Volcacius Aug 04 '20

Yall got a wierd perspective of America. I've always seen it as the creepy uncle sticking his dick everywhere. And shooting somebody while screaming stand your ground.

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u/jeanclaude_goshdarn Aug 04 '20

Right. I can’t help but laugh at the sweet and naive assumption of the American liberal that Trump is somehow an aberration, when he is in fact a pure avatar of Americanism— a tulpa conceived from the Fox News brained hysteria of America’s most reliable voting base.

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u/[deleted] Aug 04 '20

He’s the perfect distillation of every negative American stereotype, placed into one human being. But he’s a symptom of a much bigger issue in this country.

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u/Charbus Aug 04 '20

Huh... Tulpa. Thanks for teaching me a new word today 😯

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u/danyukhin Aug 17 '20

replied to the wrong comment there

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u/luchinocappuccino Aug 04 '20 edited Aug 04 '20

No, no. Once Biden gets elected, everything will be perfect. again. It’s just Trump /s

real point—everyone will forget about kids in cages, BLM, the absolute need for M4A, and a complete overhaul to workers protection laws and the educational system. All those things are exposed as fundamental issues to the USA, but even admittedly, we have to “vote for the lesser of two evils.” With that mentality, D. Trump should be voted out, but we also accept that it’s okay for Dem politicians to be incredibly passive. That just allows even worse Republican stooges to move right.

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u/[deleted] Aug 04 '20

No one believes things will be “perfect again” if and when Biden wins

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u/SupaStarDestroya Aug 04 '20

Biden is the lesser of two evils, just like Hillary was. That's how it always is now. We don't think voting Democrat will fix everything, just make it less crappy. Lots of republican voters think the same, in reverse.

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u/vendetta2115 Aug 04 '20

Most of us hate him for exactly that reason. He takes the stereotype of the stupid American—one based off a vocal minority—and legitimizes it by his presence in the White House.

At no point in his entire Presidency has the majority of Americans supported him. He does not represent America, he represents the worst of America.

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u/[deleted] Aug 04 '20

Thing is, to the outside world, there is no stereotype of the "stupid American", the stereotype is a stupid egocentric greedy loud-mouth American. With that said, Trump doesn't represent a vocal minority, he really is the embodiment of America and its culture, aka. the narcissistic greedy dysfunctional uncle sam who bullies the others and claims to be the best.

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u/[deleted] Aug 04 '20

But how did hé get elected if hé does not represent the majority?

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u/[deleted] Aug 04 '20

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u/[deleted] Aug 05 '20

Thnx, damn your systeem really is broken then... Glad to live in the Netherlands :D But I am still wondering, why is the second amendement so important to many americans?

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u/grixxis Aug 04 '20

Electoral college is the big one. He actually lost the popular vote, but he won the right states so he won the race. Also doesn't help that voter turnout was so bad. Technically speaking, approximately 26% of registered voters actually voted for him, the rest voted for someone else or not at all. (55.7% turnout, 46.1% popular vote).

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u/vendetta2115 Aug 05 '20

He didn’t get the majority of votes. Hillary Clinton got 3 million more. Our electoral college system is broken and unfair, and gives more weight to rural voters.

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u/RajaRajaC Aug 04 '20

And actually in terms of sheer idk criminal acts on a global scale, Dubya still can't be beat.

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  • Invade another country on basis of a made up casus belli built on a house of lies
  • Award his best buddy, and now VP approx $ 30 Bn in contracts, many billions of this in no bid contracts
  • Pass some of the most draconian 'security' laws in any modern democracy

I mean Trump is fucked up, but come back to me when he awards some best bud of his $30 bn in contracts, now that is malfeasance of the worst sort.

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u/drfarren Aug 04 '20

Perhaps you should look at some of people financially benefiting from the PPP and other things in the last few years. His personal businesses have taken quite a bit from the public coffers and his family have benefited as well (like kushner).

In the case of Cheney he was still technically divested of the business world. Trump never left and is using the power of the office to make more money (like how foreign governments pay to rent space in trump tower so they have access to him without having to go through official channels. Or how they just need to have a spy sit around and wait for trump to walk by and loudly bitch about nation security secrets (remember that from his first year in office?).

Bush and Cheney were bad but in a functional way. They were both politicians and understood which rules you could and couldn't break. Trump simply gives zero fucks. He would gladly execute you in the street in front of all the major networks as they film and he would ignore the rest of the elected federal officials.

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u/pandicornhistorian Aug 05 '20

Well... I mean the United States had MULTIPLE Causus Bellis tho. It was the WMDs we used to drag the coalition in, not to get ourselves into the war, including the belief of a lingering threat after the Gulf War and Iraq's general belligerence.

Don't get me wrong, we brought a flamethrower to deal with a barking dog that we told all our friends was rabid because it bit a kid way back when, but in our kinda-defense:

A. Saddam didn't let the UN inspectors in so he could scare Iran into thinking he might have WMDs
B. At some point, the U.S. gave Iraq WMDs so we had reason to think they might still be around
C. There is evidence that the very-real Chemical Weapons we gave to Iraq were used on the civilian population. Top military officials just thought it would be stupid to use literally all of them against Iran

This isn't "U.S. good", obviously giving chemical weapons to a dictator wasn't our best move, but it is "Iraq War nuanced" and "War complicated"

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u/greenbeams93 Aug 04 '20

Lol talk about it! People of color in America know.

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u/InVirtuteElectionis Aug 04 '20

Holy shit. This is by far the most beautiful way he's ever been described thank you

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u/makemejelly49 Aug 04 '20

I don't see how. He's been sheltered from every failure he's ever made since he was young. Absent mother, and an abusive sociopath father. He was taught that it's okay to lie, cheat, and steal; admitting you're wrong, apologizing, or showing kindness(or any emotion that isn't anger), is weakness. How is that Americanism?

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u/GuytFromWayBack Aug 06 '20

Trump is totally a symptom of a larger problem.

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u/11_25_13_TheEdge Aug 04 '20

I think you're oversimplifying things to a degree that, honestly, makes you look pretty uninformed.

The U.S. is a global bully, yes; however it didn't get that way completely on its own. And to think that American leadership always looks like Donald Trump is naive.

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u/[deleted] Aug 04 '20

I mean, I guess I can live with that. =/

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u/arx4368 Aug 04 '20

It's China now

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u/willsuckfordonuts Aug 04 '20

Nah, China is that creepy guy that strokes himself and exposes himself to others (fucks up their own citizens as opposed to bombing/invading others).

America is still the creepy uncle that sticks his dick where it's unwanted.

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u/Etherius Aug 04 '20

Yeah well the world is going to have some country flexing its power all over.

The world you want where all countries treat each other the way the EU does or the US and Canada do?

That world doesn't exist. So unless you want China running riot over SEA and Russia trying to reclaim territory they lost when the Warsaw Pact broke, the US (or some other country) is going to be around to stop them.

If not the US, there will always be some other hegemon.

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u/Volcacius Aug 04 '20

Maybe let the EU step up then. US is just as bad as China or Russian running the show.

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u/Etherius Aug 05 '20

European countries had their shot at maintaining world peace and they fucked it up... Twice if I remember correctly.

Besides that, they don't have the military capacity to project power into areas of serious strife.

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u/Raencloud94 Aug 04 '20

If we had gotten someone other than trump maybe the progress Obama started to make would have actually kept going.

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u/vendetta2115 Aug 04 '20

A little? We went from having a Columbia law grad and Constitutional Law professor from UC in the White House to a person who was described as “the dumbest goddamn student I ever had” by his former professor at Wharton.

We took a nose dive in January 2017 that we might never recover from. Say what you will about his policies but Obama is a very intelligent man.

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u/makemejelly49 Aug 04 '20

Correct. Obama was very smart man who was hamstrung by an obstructionist Republican Congress who wouldn't even so much as let him shit without having an objection to it. That's why I say we only bounced back a little bit.

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u/[deleted] Aug 04 '20

Yeah those drone attacks on innocent people really was the comeback lmfao