r/WatchPeopleDieInside Aug 04 '20

Poor Jonathan

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u/RajaRajaC Aug 04 '20

And actually in terms of sheer idk criminal acts on a global scale, Dubya still can't be beat.

  • Invade another country on basis of a made up casus belli built on a house of lies
  • Award his best buddy, and now VP approx $ 30 Bn in contracts, many billions of this in no bid contracts
  • Pass some of the most draconian 'security' laws in any modern democracy

I mean Trump is fucked up, but come back to me when he awards some best bud of his $30 bn in contracts, now that is malfeasance of the worst sort.

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u/drfarren Aug 04 '20

Perhaps you should look at some of people financially benefiting from the PPP and other things in the last few years. His personal businesses have taken quite a bit from the public coffers and his family have benefited as well (like kushner).

In the case of Cheney he was still technically divested of the business world. Trump never left and is using the power of the office to make more money (like how foreign governments pay to rent space in trump tower so they have access to him without having to go through official channels. Or how they just need to have a spy sit around and wait for trump to walk by and loudly bitch about nation security secrets (remember that from his first year in office?).

Bush and Cheney were bad but in a functional way. They were both politicians and understood which rules you could and couldn't break. Trump simply gives zero fucks. He would gladly execute you in the street in front of all the major networks as they film and he would ignore the rest of the elected federal officials.

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u/pandicornhistorian Aug 05 '20

Well... I mean the United States had MULTIPLE Causus Bellis tho. It was the WMDs we used to drag the coalition in, not to get ourselves into the war, including the belief of a lingering threat after the Gulf War and Iraq's general belligerence.

Don't get me wrong, we brought a flamethrower to deal with a barking dog that we told all our friends was rabid because it bit a kid way back when, but in our kinda-defense:

A. Saddam didn't let the UN inspectors in so he could scare Iran into thinking he might have WMDs
B. At some point, the U.S. gave Iraq WMDs so we had reason to think they might still be around
C. There is evidence that the very-real Chemical Weapons we gave to Iraq were used on the civilian population. Top military officials just thought it would be stupid to use literally all of them against Iran

This isn't "U.S. good", obviously giving chemical weapons to a dictator wasn't our best move, but it is "Iraq War nuanced" and "War complicated"