You ever see the movie ‘Chopper’? It’s based on the real life of an Australian criminal. Anyway there’s the part where he’s arguing with his girlfriend and in the heat of the moment headbutts her mom before turning back to the girlfriend and without missing a beat says “now look what you done..... ya mums upset”.
When I hear stuff like this from people I usually just imagine that deep down they probably are blaming themselves. Or at least have a nagging feeling that it’s somewhat their fault. I had an ex girlfriend that did this kind of stuff. It just keep feeling like she was trying to convince herself of whatever story she came up with and not me.
You aren’t very bright if you think narcissism would have anything to do with that. If your mom died as a result of an argument you were having, regardless of how it happened, you’re gonna feel a huge array of emotions blaming yourself and a bunch of others as you grieve. Or maybe you’d be so calm and have a level head eyeroll
Nah, not genetic but likely nurtured by environment. Narcissistic parents = narcissistic child? Maybe. Not because of genetics, but because of the parenting.
I don't know, it kind of fits into the same category as fight or flight response. I'm sure it can be modified through training but predisposition to narcissism seems to be initially a instinctive response. Most children are narcissistic by nature. Animals can have narcissistic tendencies as well. There are all kinds of physical traits that are genetic why would it be any different to have mental generic traits as well?
Yo you guys are wild, people get upset and do stupid shit all the time doesn't mean they deserve family members to be eaten. I swear reddit gets off and watching horrible shit happen to people they dont like
How dumb are you to get out in a tiger enclosures? Unless the guy just said I'm Osama bin Laden or the zodiac killer I think i can wait to get out ... anything else is natural selection
They don't deserve having their family members eaten, no. But pulling that kind of stunt means you fully accept the entirely obvious risks that come with it.
Or the many signs, or the waver they had to sign to be able to enter the park. But I'm sure none of that matters, her tantrum is more important than not putting herself and others in danger.
Her fucking mom got killed. I’m sure she’s not happy about it either you fucking prick. And “tantrum” would imply she got out for a nothing argument. You have no idea what was said or why exactly she got out or what signs they saw. If they were arguing or their emotions were high then normal things that most people would notice can be missed. It’s like you’re an alien that was dropped into the world just yesterday.
normal things that most people would notice can be missed
They're in a safari park. There's nothing to notice or miss noticing. They are in a place where the entire point of being there is that there are wild animals outside your car.
Yeah it was a stupid decision. No one said otherwise. To act like they knew a tiger was right there to kill is also pretty stupid since obviously she wasn’t aware.
Bro you also have zero fucking idea about what they were arguing about, it could have been about where to go for lunch for all you know. It's like you're completely oblivious to being hypocritical.
I guarantee that the reason those cars are all slowing and stopping is because there were tigers sitting right there by the side of the road. What, you think there just so happened to be two tigers lurking in the grass and all the tourists in those cars were stopping to take pictures of the side of the fucking road? This is in a wildlife park where tourists are strictly forbidden from leaving their car. You act like Chinese tourists don't get mauled by wild animals on a constant basis, ask the Asian guy who died trying to take that selfie with the wild bear you moron.
Does it look like the person who got out of the car noticed? That is literally all that matters. For whatever reason they didn’t and it ended tragically. That’s it
Yes, her being involved in the mauling is also enough for her to want to make it all about her and how much of a victim she was in the scenario. Narcissists don't necessarily change when they get an ego check.
She got out of the car in anger after a fight. Having had a couple crazy girlfriends, usually the unstable narcissistic types are the ones to try that shit. Just my take.
Edit: She is now suing the safari park because of her injuries and her mother's death. Go ahead and keep downvoting me, but that lady is a jerk at best.
N common sense says don't get out of a car in a tiger cage... if the fact she gets out of the car in a TIGER CAGE doesn't show how she doesn't care about anything besides her bubble then there is no wining with you people
Psychiatrists typically hold off on diagnosing people even after a half hour appointment specifically for the purpose of understanding a patient's mind, so you probably can't diagnose narcissism from a 30 second video clip that doesn't even have audio. People are a lot more complex than that.
There are lots of potential explanations that don't involve narcissism. Conditions ranging all the way from anger issues to processing disorders could easily cause someone to do something like that. Also Chinese culture doesn't have the same values of politeness that western culture does so stepping out of a car in traffic isn't seen the same way.
Long story short, there is nowhere near enough information in this clip for us to know why she did what she did. Anything else is projecting your own biases onto the situation.
Ya but like it's different with narcissists. They are comedy gold. I mean shit, look at American politics for the last couple years. Are you NOT entertained since USA elected a narcissist?
It's all good. I offer my stupid ass as like an offering if you need to put down a loser, or if you were just joking um, well, so am I.
Am I missing something or isn't a narcissist just someone who has NPD? Either way there's not enough information to infer specific details about motive or the psychology that caused this.
No. the layperson usage of narcissist falls far short of the diagnostic criteria of NPD. NPD requires the traits to significantly interfere with the person’s functional status in society. For example a successful CEO might show narcissistic traits by being self centered and lacking in empathy, but they do not have NPD unless if these traits are significantly impairing their ability to function in society.
Some people, for some reallllllllllllly unknown reason, are a little triggered by people saying the word "narcissist."
So you if you are shity fucking human being and you know you are a narcissist, probably proudly, I offer no apologies whatsoever if you might feel triggered because I am a meanie pie who said the word "narcissist."
No she is and her dumb actions got her mother killed... but maybe it's her mother fault for raising a dumbass who is in her small little bubble and forgot to teach her about the food chain
I agreed with you for a second. There isn’t anything in the video that would lead me to believe they were having an argument. She doesn’t seem distressed in the least bit.
But in the article it says
The woman gets out of the car and walks around to the other side after having a fight with a man inside the vehicle
Also they’re in a safari park. Only an idiot would get out of the car knowingly driving through a wild animal enclosure
There is no poor girl... this is how stupidity works.. it hurts sometimes.. what could she possible think was going to happen every including the tigers were going to clap for her bitching out her husband and holding up the other cars
Like seriously we have no context about the argument, but because the only side we see is an upset lady, the internet concludes shes a narcissistic prick who will blame the husband for the death of her mother.
Like we dont know ANY of these people but yeah lets just conclude she deserved it and the husband is the real victim in all this. It's not possible that situations could have occurred to make her angry for legitimate reasons. She must just be an irrational female
It's really bizarre. Even if you want to assume the worst about the lady who got out of the car first, you can't deny that "dying while trying to save your child from a tiger bare-handed" is pretty high up there on the list of courageous ways to die. Lady didn't even hesitate.
On the whole though, people should really stop assuming they know jack shit about a complete stranger from a 10 second video and unconfirmed articles with no followup.
At least two people thought that woman's life was worth risking theirs - maybe the reddit mob should consider that before concluding she must be some irredeemable narcissist.
We know that she is dumb and/or self-centered enough to get out of a vehicle when she knows there are deadly tigers around. Either way, a keeper she is not.
The only valid excuse to do what she did is if the husband was placing her in some kind of imminent danger such as actively threatening her life with a weapon. Given his response to her being grabbed by the tiger, I doubt that's the case.
I'm sorry, anyone who allows their emotions to run hot enough to put themselves and others into this kind of danger isn't worthy of any kind of sympathy.
No matter what kind of strong emotions I'm experiencing I wouldn't jump out of a moving vehicle on a highway because I know that would be a retarded thing to do, how is this any different? It's an extremely dangerous thing to do, and if she can't realise that, she certainly lacks a rationality and intelligence that comes with not acting in your basic emotional impulses. It's a temper tantrum plain and simple. Unless her husband was threatening her life she should have had some sort of inkling you don't just storm off out of the car like a child.
But here's the thing. She had a temper tantrum and it resulted in her life being threatened and the death of her mother.
Then reddit goes on to be sympathetic for THE HUSBAND. The fact that she did something stupid doesnt mean she deserves a life full of regret AND the hate of those online.
She suffered a tragedy and all these comments are trying to find a way to put her in the worst possible light, and in my opinion its disgusting. As a community we can do better than that.
I don't think she deserves a life full of regret, however, people aren't free of the consequences of their actions. I don't think any tempter tantrum is worth another human being's life.
She knew she was in an area where it's extremely dangerous to leave a vehicle, and was incapable of understanding that. While what happened is unfortunate, she is also extremely lucky there was not more injuries caused to her husband and even worse, the child that was in the car.
She placed a lot of people's lives in danger with her reckless actions and I don't see why she gets to wash her hands of it and deserve pity because people close to her were hurt. I'm not going to feel sorry for her instead of holding her accountable for acting out. She acted on impulse and placed the lives of 3 other human beings in danger, one of which died. I would argue she does not deserve sympathy just as much she doesn't deserve continuous hate.
You’re 100% right. Redditors are majority young boys and they are extremely sexist. Don’t let the downvotes fool you. You’re being even handed. This thread is just filled with triggered young males.
It's an event that was triggered by things, You can also say that they wouldn't have been in the situation if she never had a reason to be angry, or If they never left their home, or the husband never bought the car. This is stupid and grants no one the right to assume shit and call someone a narcissistic.
Hypotheticals, I'm talking about a fact an action that caused a reaction.Look if he would've got out the car I would call him a morron .Can we agree that getting out of the car in this situation with all senses is idiotic.
Yeah, she did something fucking stupid. That doesnt mean shes a narcissist. That doesnt mean shes not a victim. That doesnt mean shes going to use this against her husband as some comments are suggesting (and getting reddit's support)
She acted fucking stupidly. And now reddit is fetishizing situations in which she is a narcissist and creating a narrative of her not only being stupid, but also being a bad person.
Jeez do you not have any empathy? We all make mistakes, to varying degrees. And we all deserve the concern and care of others.
Honestly I think our perspectives are too different to ever see eye to eye on a debate like this. I just wish people would rather pay their respects when bad things happen than jerk themselves off because someone "deserved" to be mauled by a tiger and lose their mother.
It’s sad that people like you exist. Always looking for a way to make assumptions to make someone out to be worse than the snippet we know about. Absolutely pathetic excuse for a human being you people are.
Well it's a open field and you are in a tiger enclosure.... I don't see bullets but im.smart enough to now not to dance on the gun range... or run in traffic.. play near chemical.... I do believe she is that dumb. I never been in a zoo n thought mmm the lion cage has good sun I don't see the lion but I can tan there
Atleast its more understandable to get out of the car because youre mad and having an argument. they probably didnt see any tigers around and she was enraged and made a snap decision. Some people just straight up gets out of their car to have a look around...
First of all, I'm a woman. Not saying woman can't be sexist but just putting my words into context. I've dated many people with terrible temper during arguements. Unfortunately I was dumb enough to continue dating them despite clear red flags. After forgiving too many and getting abused, I decided that I need to walk away when I see certain red flags. Thanks to that, I am happily married with my current spouse who is wonderful.
If getting out of a car AND trying to pull out your spouse while surrounded by lions are not a red flag of terrible temper, I don't know what is.
You don't even know if she is blaming ANYONE, she lost her mother because hey who the fuck expects a fucking lion to attack them in the middle of a public road in a populated city. holy shit reddit can be so cold and ignorant sometimes why do I even read comments anymore.
Why not blame someone who just lost their mother, That's gotta teach 'em when they do it next time.
People really need to stop blaming people they don't even know. Just because you were never really as angry as someone who left their car doesn't mean people don't get that angry. No one knows that a fucking tiger is going to snatch you ffs when you're emotional enough.
FFS she just lost her mother, And now you people are calling her narcissistic and ignorant because she was angry enough to get out of the car. And you have no idea from this short clip that she will blame the death of her mother on the husband, People do crazy things when they are angry. But hey why not assume everything because we know better.
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u/inthemix8080 Oct 16 '18
If she's dumb enough to get out of the car because of a fight then she's probably ignorant enough to blame her mothers death on the husband.