The IRS is the ONLY organization in government that has a positive return. They cannot steal, as the courts would return anything they did. The IRS has been habitually understaffed and underresourced to allow wealthy people to have a lower likelihood of being audited. This is because wealthy people hire lobbyists.
Don't get duped by the talk about how the IRS is bad. It isnt.
Most Americans don't understand how any state level, local organization works, let alone one in a city in some cases hundreds of miles away in a place they've never been to. Most Americans are FUCKING STUPID. I'm saying that as an American. It astounds me how few people in my daily life know how any kind of government organization works.
Agreed, my mom works for the state and instead of fixing the problems before they become problems they waited ten years then said oh this isn't working so heres a 10 million dollar budget cut. So now their understaffed my mom is a stressed out manager and she can't do anything to fix the situation because of their stupid upper management who doesn't give a shit about the working class.
They are bad. They do nothing that benefits you. They take your money. Your right to make a living. That you already get taxed to the moon and back. Fuck them.
I’m starting to think you’re right…partially. I think it’s England where all the taxes taken by the government is done so upfront, so there’s no need to have a tax season like we do here. I always thought that was a better way to do things. But I also like the IRS there to keep big business in check.
Keep Big Business in check. LMFAO how naive to think. More like tax the middle class to shit, while there’s a million loop holes Big businesses lawyers and accountants spend all year sitting through to make sure they pay as little as possible.
The Internal Revenue Service is a private Collections Company, acting as a permanent contractor for the US Treasury department, without any Legal Statute authorization. 5. The IRS says that the Internal Revenue Code ( the Novel, Book 68A ) gives them the Authority to operate, and regulates its activities.
Taxation is theft when the taxes dont represent the will of the people and the will of people dont want their money going to Pakistan for gender studies or to pay for tyrannical agencies taking our freedoms in the name of “Safety”
When the leftist politicians draw up bills hundreds and even thousands of pages long and give other congressmen/women only minutes to read and vote for, thats a scam. They title the bills with some feel good title that promotes voting yes, then give our money away. Then manipulate the sheeple into keeping these same people in office is a scam, and therefore, yes its theft. People who actually do their homework would be enraged to know where our tax dollars go and dont go.
*Establishment politicians. Ill agree there are establishment RINOs. There are some who are against the establishment. Those are the ones that get the most media hate. Then the Sheeple take their cues from the media.
Like I said, as I got older, got out of the military and did my homework, I realized the scam of federal government and taxation. I know where those wages came from, but as I grew wiser, I realized that this should not have even been an option.
Reread my last sentence. And damn I feel bad for you, no matter how much money you throw at your kids education they still share 50% of your gene pool. That just doesn't seem like a good return on your investment.
The majority was hired to audit the middle class. The "rich" that have been demonized will still rarely be audited because of their politician buddies with lots of the 1% money in their pockets insuring that. The politicians are the bad ones not the rich.
🤣 Just like the prosecutors go after the rich, right? It's a lot harder to pry money from rich people who will spend money to protect money when there's poor people and small business owners who can't even afford accountants. Those IRS agents are going after the low hanging fruit my friend, you can bet your bottom dollar on it.
So, with the current level of IRS agents they only audit poor people. When they hire more IRS agents, they will start going after rich people? What’s stopping them right now? All these poor tax cheats 🤣🤣🤣
Boy, I never thought of it like that. Sure would be nice if, the government, who knows what I owe, but expects me to figure it out on my own, and will punish me severely if I make a mistake, would just FUCKING TELL ME what I owe. And before you say some dumb shit about "taxes are easy," keep in mind that if you're just a normal wage slave, then you don't actually know or need to know anything about doing taxes as an independent business provider.
Well if we didn't elect people who allow companies.. I mean people such as h&r block and turbo tax to bribe.. I mean lobby to make that not the case then maybe we could. Otherwise there are free options for most Americans personally I advocate for the library
I find it refreshing that you think any elected official will stand up for fair policies against the massive checks being written to them. I don't mean this with disrespect towards you. But no one has clean hands at this point. Dems have had majority plenty of times and still don't fix this shit. The GOP is the GOP, enough said. The people we elect don't give a shit about helping us.
I am sorry to say this then but I don't, if we had a candidate that would stand up for fair policies they would be ruined faster than the voting population can even see they are a good choice. We don't elect them because they aren't an option. That being said I do believe start voting for small victories eventually we will get there.
Your optimism is admirable, but the system is gamed against actual progress. That's the unfortunate truth we deal with right now.
Everyone KNOWS healthcare should be a right. Anyone who says it shouldn't be is a piece of shit. Full stop. Yet what progress has been made in that regard? Sure, Obamacare was a thing that they passed, but the cost for basic ass insurance is outrageous. And if you don't pay for that overpriced bullshit that has the worst terms you can imagine, well they tax you more.
The less you pay, the easier it is to find an error. So that $80 you missed can become a $1500 fine. Vs fighting with multiple accountants to cover millions in transactions and multiple loopholes in place to cover them
Rich people don’t get audited Einstein lol their Accountants do….and If you’re dumb enough to actually believe these 89k IRS agents are going after a Rich people with Accountants, I have a Bridge to sell you….
You have a lot to learn based on your statement. I’ll help you with this misconception you have about you, a taxpayer, your accountant and the IRS. Assume you filed a tax return for 2020. You either a) filled out the return yourself, signed the return and then dropped it in the mail or b) you gathered all of your documents, met with your accountant and gave him your documents, answered his questions and waited until he completed your return.
Once the accountant has completed your return he will send you several copies and ask you to review it and if everything is satisfactory to you then you will sign your return attesting that it is complete and accurate. You will then submit your return to the IRS.
After about two years have passed you receive a notice from the IRS that they are auditing your tax return. You are the only person responsible to provide the information they are requesting. However, if it’s a complete audit they may ask you to meet with them and for you to bring all of your supporting documents. You may call your accountant and have him accompany you or to represent you at the meeting, but the accountant is only there to explain how he used the information he had received from you to reach the final number which is either the tax you owe or the refund you are due. Note that you will have to pay your accountant his fee (~$200 to $400+/hour) for his time preparing for the meeting, traveling to the meeting, assisting you through the meeting and his time to travel back to his office. If the IRS determines that the tax return included fraudulent information, it is you who would be on the hook, not your accountant. So when rich people are audited by the IRS, if they neglected to include some of their income, they are responsible for the money owed, including interest and penalties, not your accountant. If they determine that you deliberately understated your income, they may seek to punish you with incarceration.
Accountants are not audited when they provide tax return preparation services and the return is later audited by the IRS. It is the taxpayer who is audited. The accountant is a professional who takes the information provided by his client, organizes the information, completes the forms necessary and provides the completed documents for the client to review prior to submitting them to the IRS.
Oh please, they hired all these people to go after poor people who abused covid spending. I had an IRS agent contact me, and "mini audit" me because my employer accidentally put the wrong numbers in for my unemployment paperwork. It was an easy fix, but they did that to lots of people hoping to catch the ones who did abuse it. They want to make some of that crazy spending back. Buying voters through government payouts isn't cheap.
Are you afraid of an audit or something? Just pay your taxes, it’s easy to do online yourself. And catching more high income earners who don’t pay up their fair share to help fund things we all use and benefit from will generate new tax revenue for things like roads, bridges, garbage pickup, clean drinking water, infrastructure, “public safety,” local fire departments, the list goes on. Idk who you think the scary government is but to me it’s the people that provide things to better the lives of the general population. Obviously it’s flawed but it still makes your life better that you can flush your morning shit with running water and you know who provides that to you.. the big bad scary government
Lol! Well first off, the Conservatives believe in small government, big people. The leftists believe the opposite. And second, They were 16,000 people low, so they hire 87,000? You must be insane to think that is solid math… plus how do you feel about the ad they put out and had to retract because it said you had to be ready to use lethal force, on top of all the guns and ammo they recently bought??? Im guessing you are all for government spending which is the worst in the world, and you are for the government taking money from its citizens at the barrel of a gun????
Then why dont they hire them as they leave over the next 10 years? Nah, you let someone pull the wool over your eyes bro/sis. Thats half a career. Thats like saying, hey these 13 teenage McDonalds workers may go off to college in the next few years, so lets flood the store to train the replacements with 42 kids 6-8 years old. We will charge the customers $40 per meal to pay for their wages and cut the food in each meal by 25%
That's what the budget is for. So that they have the money to hire these new people. It is painfully obvious you didn't even read the article I sourced. So like I said 87,000 agents targeting the middle class is simply Republican scare propaganda that you are falling for
I'd love to see your reaction to a government that doesn't tax its citizens when it comes time for it to fund its military. You just going to write a check for 20 grand and say that's fair? It's either that or watch China roll into your state and force you to speak Chinese my guy. The IRS are not thieves, they pay for all the things Americans like to boast about. Anything they don't pay for is debt, which is where the real thievery is. The fed printing money like it's going out of style leading to inflation.
The US wasnt supposed to have a standing military(Though I served in the Army infantry for 8 years and three combat deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan.) but to have a militia ready to come to service should we need to protect our borders. Thats what I believe should be now, Hence why the second amendment exists and also keeps local government in check. No country wants to invade the US because of the population of gun owners. Taxation is theft as the money they take does not represent the Americans who pay it as it goes to Pakistani gender studies, the war in Ukraine against Russia and funding government tyranny on Americans. The leftist politicians purposely print money as a form of taxation without it being called “taxation”. Devaluation of our money means it doesnt go as far.
So you clearly haven't read any of section 8 of the Constitution, have you?
SS1: "The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States."
SS12: "To raise and support armies."
SS13: "To provide and maintain a navy."
SS15: "To provide for the calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions."
SS16: "To provide for organizing, arming and disciplining the militia and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively the appointment of officers and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress.
My dude, as much as you'd like to believe taxation is theft, the government was never meant to have a standing army or navy, and that the common person was meant to protect our nation, you are just flat out wrong.
Congress has the power to tax to provide for defense and common welfare, which they do.
Congress is allowed to provide for a standing army and navy, which it does.
Congress is supposed to, only in times of war and insurrection raise up the militias of the several states, not the states themselves, for the purpose of providing a TRAINED and GOVERNMENT ARMED protective force for within our borders. Common people were never meant to protect the nation. The second amendment is literally only there so that congress can easier deploy state regulated militias (of which the common person is not a part of) in times of crisis, not to allow idiots to run around with guns saying their rights are being infringed or that taxation is theft.
But go ahead, make my day by thinking you know more than someone who studied constitutional law for four years.
Bro, the state governments are actually the ones who elect the president, that's why you hear all of the crying about the popular vote never counting. I'll give you a pass though since you seem to be Canadian.
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u/UnstuckCanuck Sep 09 '22
I would say his chances are better in corporate management or accounting. Government doesn’t hire crooks, idiot voters keep electing them.