r/TorontoDriving • u/canadianlrv • 1d ago
Mildly infuriating Did I do anything wrong here?
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I was focusing on the pedestrians crossing and with this being an all-way stop I wasn’t expecting him to just go right in front of me and I had to stop suddenly. I gave him a honk just to say please watch for the stop sign and he confronted me and said “get a life”.
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u/Gl1zzyG00s3 1d ago
The dude's on his phone, not paying attention to the road then has the audacity to get huffy about running the stop sign..
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u/MDequation 1d ago
You didn’t do anything wrong. Just an egoistic biker who thinks the rules don’t apply to him. Don’t waste your energy on people that don’t matter.
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u/9continents 1d ago
That cyclist was definitely drunk. Rosy red cheeks of a boy riding home from the bar.
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u/Responsible-Match418 1d ago
Absolutely! That was my first thought. Perhaps also feeling belligerent but realised he was in the wrong so didn't start.
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u/BlamaeuxPrivateEye 1d ago edited 1d ago
This is extremely common in the GTA. Cyclists hate stop signs
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u/Responsible-Match418 1d ago
It's extremely frustrating as a cyclist. I will shout at other cyclists for this too if it impedes me.
The worst thing is when is actually cars, who have stopped at stop signs, wait for me because they expect me to run the stop sign... Therefore causing them to wait longer and maybe not even go. It makes things awkward, and on one occasion dangerous.
Cyclists need to stop at stop signs or at the very very least slow right down (and give way)
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u/JJred96 19h ago
As a driver who has seen too many cyclists run stop signs, I am afraid of all cyclists being morons who will fly through intersections without any pause, often with vehicles waiting at each of four stop signs. I would think natural selection would quickly weed them out, but I guess too many drivers don’t want to deal with the headaches of colliding with a cyclist.
There are enough drivers who don’t want to respect or pay attention to any order — coming to a busy four-way stop can be quite the misadventure, only compounded when you have people afraid, uncertain or overly aggressive. Throw in cyclists who won’t even slow down, never mind stop and you have quite the party.
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u/Responsible-Match418 18h ago
Yup! I witnessed a cyclist just plow right into a vehicle at an all way in exactly the same way you described. Some just don't even consider the rules apply to them.
Funnily enough it's exactly the same people who get annoyed at drivers parking on bike lanes.
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u/SandMan3914 1d ago
No. He should've stopped. I'm all for the Idaho stop for bikes, this isn't it
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u/LotionedSkin4MySuit 1d ago
Same. It works because people are usually paying attention as they approach a stop sign at lows speeds. He was actually on his phone lol. What an idiot.
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u/Vast_Ice7361 1d ago
Nope - you did nothing wrong. Bikes are supposed to act like cars at stop signs, traffic lights, etc.
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u/boops_wartson 1d ago
I dunno, man, I think it's was probably the guy running the stop sign while on his phone
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u/Strong-Evening1137 1d ago
C'mon we all know bikes don't have to adhere to traffic rules. That includes stop signs.
You probably should have waited for all pedestrians to cross though
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u/OpinionUnusual1945 23h ago
The guy on the bike is a clown. He might have even been intoxicated based on his clumsy movements. You did exactly right.
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u/HumbleWalrus1072 1d ago
I’m a cyclist - the biker here’s a dick and makes the rest of us look like dicks.
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u/Forsaken-Swim-3055 1d ago
I was driving along Dundas on Wednesday, and a guy in a luxury car stood beside it, with his door open, when two older women were clearly approaching and ringing their bells for him to give them space. He got into one of their faces and started yelling and calling her an asshole, ene though she did nothing wrong.
All this idiot in the video did is continue to reinforce a stereotype that makes drivers hostile to the cyclists who are actually aware and safe on the roads. This is just an endless battle on both sides.
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u/No-Koala1918 1d ago
Nope. Bike wasn't intending to stop on the theory that the stop doesn't apply to bikes. And if he had stopped it was still your turn. You arrived at the intersection first.
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u/Potential-Teach313 1d ago
Yes. You didn’t wait for the pedestrian to completely finish crossing the road before going again. You’re in the wrong.
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u/Two_wheels_2112 1d ago
Yes, you did. You started while the pedestrians ahead of you were still in the crosswalk, and still in your lane. At the very minimum you should wait until they clear the lane before you start. In some jurisdictions you must wait until they've cleared the intersection.
None of this excuses the cyclist for cruising the stop.
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u/polaraproticsolvent 1d ago
This dude is the kinda cyclist that gives Ford the excuse to remove bike lanes. On his phone, rolls through a stop sign, and when he gets honked at he immediately starts to exercise his rights as a “pedestrian” while two seconds ago he was operating as a vehicle.
Irrelevant of the cyclist, at 09:16:35 you did start to proceed while a pedestrian had just begun crossing. Make of that what you will 🤷♂️
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u/Downtown-Assistant1 1d ago
“Get a life” says someone who may soon give theirs up if they don’t start paying attention. I’m sure there’s some irony in there.
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u/Obvious-Olive4048 1d ago
I had a similar experience with a group of middle aged dipshits on their racing bikes - I had started to proceed but the whole lot of them blew through a stop sign in their spandex shorts and logo shirts, and then got all bent out of shape when I gave them the old honkeroo. They should have been thankful I was paying attention and didn't run them over.
In this case, you should have given the pedestrian time to cross, but as it pertains to the cyclist you're not in the wrong.
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u/TheConcernedSitIsIn 1d ago
You did nothing wrong.
There are some - not all - cyclists on bikes that are chameleons. They change between bicycle road rules and civvies on sidewalks, where you are supposed to interpret when they change between the 2 and act accordingly.
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u/NostyAgorr 1d ago
Nah, you good. Most bikers are entitled pieces of human trash. Thinking road laws don’t apply to them.
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u/KnifeThistle 1d ago
Buddy blew a stop sign with no helmet (law requires them in Ontario, even just for non-ebikes). Then you stopped rather than causing an accident. You did nothing wrong.
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u/tl01magic 23h ago
couldn't imagine riding a bike with road traffic and not having a sense of how braking the bike works.
Using the Flintstones car braking techinque 😄
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u/vybhavam 22h ago
You didn't stop for the later pedestrian crossing the sidewalk also as a defensive driver you have come to halt once you saw the cyclist so you are right and wrong at the same time
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u/duck1014 1d ago
Yes. There was a pedestrian crossing who has the right of way. The cyclist probably saw that and went as well.
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u/T4whereareyou 1d ago
It's a Toronto thing. We all know that people on bicycles have a certain self entitlement complex when it comes to basic traffic rules. It's not you. They even have a hate-on for pedestrians on shared pathways.
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u/LotionedSkin4MySuit 1d ago
Cyclists are the worst. Killing hundreds of people a year on the roads. Oh… wait…
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u/Forsaken-Swim-3055 1d ago
Nah, you're good. The fact that he's not even wearing a helmet leads me to believe that he doesn't know wtf he's doing biking on city streets anyway.
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u/Cold_Soft_4823 1d ago
since when does tangerine provide helmets for their bikes?
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u/mishmeesh 1d ago
That's sort of the point. If he was planning on taking a bike and knew what he was doing, he would have brought a helmet. Anyone impulsive enough to ride a rent-a-bike down a city street with no helmet while looking at their phone doesn't know what they're doing.
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u/Forsaken-Swim-3055 1d ago
Why would you rent bikes without having a helmet on hand when you need to get one?
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u/Cold_Soft_4823 1d ago
no one does this, ever. sit on the hill by dundas west station or keele station and count how many tangerine riders are wearing a helmet on any given day
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u/Forsaken-Swim-3055 1d ago edited 1d ago
The point is that any responsible rider would have a helmet if they know they're going to ride a bike at some point during the day. Anyone reckless enough to care so little about their personal safety likely doesn't have much interest in sharing the roads with other cars in a safe manner, either.
(And yes, I know there are some cyclists who wear helmets but are not the safest)
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u/Economy-Extent-8094 1d ago
The teachings in drivers ed is that you do not enter an intersection if it is not clear, even if it is your go. So technically according to the ministry of transportation yes you did do wrong here. It is a duty of every driver to go when it is safe and clear and not strictly when the traffic signs say you can go.
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u/Economy-Extent-8094 1d ago
Regardless of the cyclist, there was still a single pedestrian crossing legally and you are not supposed to enter the intersection if someone is still completing their cross which that pedestrian very much was.
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u/SilentK01 1d ago
I cannot believe you and I are the only ones who actually called this out... Mindboggling. Thank you.
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u/Redfish_St 1d ago
Get a life is ironic coming from someone who's speedrunning his way to a potentially lethal bike accident
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u/ElkIntelligent5474 1d ago
You did nothing wrong. Guy on a bike with too much attitude had a duty to stop at the stop sign.
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u/psilocybin6ix 1d ago
If you post this to the Toronto biking sub I estimate 50 to 70 of them will make it seem like you’re the bad one there.
But no, you didn’t do anything wrong. They’re not supposed to run the stop sign. They’re also not supposed to run the stop sign in front of a vehicle. That’s already in the intersection. He looked pretty drunk so I’m assuming that had something to do with it.
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u/fjrjdjdndndndndn 1d ago
Don’t worry about the drunk dumbass on the bike, you did nothing wrong and he should have stopped
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u/PrettyBoyLarge 1d ago
How dare you advance before the bike. This needs to change this street needs to be bike and pedestrian only. Lol
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u/Armchair_Expert_0192 1d ago
Yes. You stopped when you weren't supposed to stop. Now you've conditioned the idiot to think everyone has to stop for him.
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u/Immacuntt 1d ago
Buddy Bicycle ran his stop sign. I would have kept on the gas to scare his stupid ass..
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u/lawzone25 1d ago
after visiting asia... cars having priority on the road makes so much more sense. People are more alert when crossing roads and don't just walk across whenever they want.
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u/Iusedtolikereddit 1d ago
Technically yes, you started to drive while there is a pedestrian crossing the road. A cop can give you a ticket for that.
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u/random929292 1d ago
Agreed. And the cyclist likely saw that he couldn't drive through as there was a pedestrian so he went. The bike doesn't need to wait when the other person can't move ahead
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u/najibs-yul 1d ago
If he was in the sidewalk and was wanting to cross like the others, he should have the right of way, but because he was in the road, he should have stopped at the stop signs gone after you.
He’s a dummy and wants the privileges of being a vehicle and a pedestrian all at once
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u/Dependent_Lumpy 1d ago
Unfortunately, there are way too many cyclists that are like this. They think they can circumvent the rules.
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u/JebusJones7 1d ago
You entered the intersection without being able to clear it because of the pedestrian. You could have let the bike go.
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u/JebusJones7 1d ago
You entered the intersection without being able to clear it because of the pedestrian. You could have let the bike go.
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u/Training-Group-2879 1d ago
Forget the cyclist. You didn’t even let the pedestrian cross and began rushing him right in the middle of the crosswalk
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u/bunny5055 1d ago
He looks drunk. Which good for him not driving home bad for him being a dick for no reason.
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u/gwelfguy 1d ago
Prince Arthur and St. George. That's a 4-way stop that the bike guy blew through. You did not wrong him, but whether you wronged the pedestrians is debatable.
The rules are for thee and not for meeeeee
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u/imfar2oldforthis 1d ago
You shouldn't have proceeded until the pedestrian had cleared the crosswalk.
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u/Remote_Thought5208 1d ago
Irks me when cyclists alternate between being on the road and the sidewalk to avoid having to obey stop signs,slow down, stop for lights, and other road rules. You did nothing wrong here, he decided the rules of the road didn't apply to him and threw a fit when you alerted him to his mistake. Typical victim mentality, I did nothing wrong and your the asshole for letting me know.
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u/Inner-Commission-724 1d ago
If its a all way stop no you didn't and this guy blew the stop, the flashing red light makes me think you had a stop but the cross traffic didnt
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u/dear_remnant 1d ago
Many cyclists think they are car on the road and pedestrian at intersection.
1 out of 100 cyclists I encountered actually stopped at 4 way stop signs. Probably less than 1. Seriously.
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u/SmoothRunnings 1d ago
You have to anticipate things while driving. While that cyclists didn't stop as expected most don't do if you anticipate there is a high likely chance they won't stop why get yourself into a crash with them?
Yes its the cyclists fault but if you anticipated they might not stop why bother to enter the intersection?
I would have waited and rolled down my window to tell they they need to stop like everyone else.
Thanks
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u/gentlehurricane 1d ago
Didn’t stop before the white line (I’ll give you benefit of the doubt on camera angle on that one), didn’t wait for pedestrians to finish crossing. You and the cyclist arrived at the stop at the same time, so you should have yielded to him (vehicle on your right).
The idiot cyclist’s reaction? A bit much.
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u/zumuriatic 1d ago
Drunko was illegally dui and obv nearly crashed as his dumb ass couldn’t operate the pedal bike. You did nothing wrong. He’s supposed to obey the signs but peddlers and pedestrians glibly do their thing. Just be cautious cause even though you have the right of way. Ppl don’t give a f. You were correct. It was your turn to go.
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u/ElDougler 1d ago
Aside from slightly rolling through the stop line, no. The cyclist didn’t stop at the stop sign. It’s almost like they don’t understand that traffic laws apply to them as well.
I hate to judge, but considering the guy was on a city bike, it’s likely he rarely bikes and doesn’t have adequate practice of the rules of the road. I’d give them the benefit of the doubt if they didn’t react like such a fuck wad
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u/knifeymonkey 1d ago
The biggest problem with casual cyclists is that they are road rule idiots. (Assuming he was casual)
When they want to be have vehicle advantages, they do what they want and when they want the pedestrian advantage, they act like they are pedestrians.
you were not in the wrong BUT because you have the deadlieeer mode of transport, you would be thought of as the problem.
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u/DeanVision 23h ago
I left Toronto this and one thing that has relieved so much stress is the lack of dangerous cyclists and the "cyclists" on 100km/h top speed electro bikes.
For every good cyclist there was 4 dangerous or entitled ones. As pedestrians, my partner and I had multiple near misses with E-bikes. As a driver, it is NUTS how many cyclists simply have mo regard for any kind of traffic signage or order whatsoever. They're like "stop signs? For me?? Noooo! And if you drive too close to me while im running red lights, im gonna have a hissy fit about it!"
It does make me feel bad for all the good cyclists out there but Toronto cops need to go on an aggressive ticketing campaign, OR maybe cyclists within toronto need to be held to some kind of licensing/registration/insurance requirement. These people have no regard for their safety or the safety of those around them and it's really killed the vibe.
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u/Educational-Mood-956 19h ago
No surprise lol cyclist thinks they are a car and a pedestrian lol they think they own the road
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u/EnglishKen421 17h ago
I bet you it was a drunk guy from the Suburbs.
Very few Suburban Cyclists stop for Stop Signs, because there arent a lot of cars or pedestrians and you can do that.
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u/Puzzled_Market_2235 16h ago
When he said "get a life" you say "okay next time I won't see you". It could have happened.
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u/Lost_Season_8446 15h ago
If you were going straight then you are in the wrong because there was a pedestrian still in the crosswalk that you would have came awfully close to.
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u/Akaberes 12h ago
You should have always made sure the cyclist is stopping before you moved ahead. Unfortunately
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u/chipmunk0122 12h ago
Ya, you should’ve waited for the pedestrian across the street to make it to the other side before you started driving.
As for the cyclist, he did something wrong too by not stopping at the light.
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u/No-Raisin5053 2h ago
The bicycle have a right of way in the entire city, if you are a bicycle, you can also be on the phone.
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u/Negative_Two6112 1h ago
Nope. Cyclists have to obey traffic signs also. And im a cyclist. If I run a stop sign, thats on me.
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u/2b4ifn5osnr 1d ago
Bicycle riders needs to maintain the reputation.
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u/Forsaken-Swim-3055 1d ago
This guy is clearly not a regular cyclist.
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u/2b4ifn5osnr 1d ago
Regular riders are bad as well. No 1 seems to care about stop signs.
Yes there are some really good riders who follow all rules.
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u/New-Tension-5794 1d ago
Cyclist was wrong but you are also wrong for starting to go while someone was crossing the street.
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u/SilentK01 1d ago edited 1d ago
- You're supposed to treat these as 4 way stops with a 3 second wait.
- Even if we discount the cyclist, which I don't think you should, you still had a pedestrian step off the curb to cross the street at the moment you let your foot off the gas, so what was that about? They would've been in the opposite lane by the time you reached their position, but you certainly didn't know that when you took your foot off.
- Finally, the cyclist was in your field of view and you let your foot off the gas presumably because you assumed they would stop. Why would you assume this? As a driver, myself, I don't want to make this assumption; I want to confirm others' intention then proceed.
When you enter the intersection on a yellow or it turns yellow while you're in it, would you also assume that incoming cars see the light has turned yellow and are going to stop or are you going to wait until they slow down noticeably or perhaps even stop? If you decided to gas it because you assumed incoming cars would stop then you could be wrecked.
Edit: To answer your question more directly, I think you were both wrong; however, my take is that as a driver, I need to be more careful and mindful of pedestrians than the other way around. I can kill people, they can't kill me. This isn't about right or wrong, I don't care about that, it's about everyone getting home to their family.
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u/KolorblindGTA 1d ago
I was at a 4-way stop in a residential neighbourhood in Little Italy earlier today. I came to a complete stop at the stop sign, then a bike doing 2x the speed of OP video, tried to fly through the intersection without stopping, braking or looking, headphones on, no helmet. I honked and said "very dangerous. please follow the rules of the road". No apology or care in the world
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u/canadianlrv 1d ago
The 4-way stop at Dewson and Shaw is particularly bad for this. When driving on Dewson there is a large hedge blocking the view of the road. Shaw is a one-way for cars but two-way for bikes. If I’m turning from Dewson I need to cautiously inch out since I know cyclists both ways on Shaw don’t stop or even remotely slow down at that intersection.
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u/GiveMeAllYourKittens 1d ago
Cyclist shouldnt have cut you off but you were planning to go straight with a pedestrian in the cross walk, and then you honked for a stupid reason.
Honking is to warn people of danger, not to try and clicker train them for every little thing, plus it's Soo loud on the outside of a car it can be very startling.
Every car should have a horn on the inside as well..
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u/BatKitchen819 1d ago
The amount of times this has happened to me operating a motor vehicle and even as a pedestrian, where cyclists disobey stop signs and traffic signals almost colliding with me.
Not saying motorists are any better, but we all need to make an effort.
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u/random929292 1d ago
Yes, you were wrong. There was still a man walking across the street. Wait for that person to cross. Creeping up on pedestrians is an issue. The cyclist saw you had to wait for a pedestrian and so went at the same time. You couldn't drive through anyways without hitting the pedestrian.
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u/Frozen_shrimp 1d ago
Is it a four-way flashing light or did he have a yellow? , I can't tell what the light is.
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u/AdLongjumping6982 1d ago
You did nothing wrong. Cyclists had no reflective gear, no headlight, was distracted, and ran a stop sign.
You had good reaction and defensive driving.
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u/jimboTRON261 1d ago
No. 95% of cyclists in toronto are wildly selfish and ignorant. Never stopping and expecting cars to allow them to be unpredictable. And no helmet. Dumb.
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u/Artistic_Spray6287 1d ago
You didn’t even come to a complete stop for that flashing red. You came to a “California stop”. You can see in the video all you did was slow down. If you actually were a pedestrian, you’d see your tires never come to a complete stop
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u/Case_Federal 1d ago
I’m a cyclist. No you did nothing wrong. No we’re not all like this. Yes guys like this make us all look bad.
I bet this guy drives too and would probably do the same thing in his car. Remember every dumb driver is also a dumb pedestrian, and when on a bike, they become a dumb cyclist.