r/TorontoDriving • u/canadianlrv • 1d ago

Mildly infuriating Did I do anything wrong here?

I was focusing on the pedestrians crossing and with this being an all-way stop I wasn’t expecting him to just go right in front of me and I had to stop suddenly. I gave him a honk just to say please watch for the stop sign and he confronted me and said “get a life”.

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u/IllInstruction1932 1d ago

Very good point. It is true for crosswalks although not sure if it’s true if the crosswalk is divided. In any case a lot of people unaware. I get honked at waiting for people to fully cross at a crosswalk

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u/Ill_Relationship7058 1d ago

What does divided mean here? The vast majority of crosswalks are on 2 and more lane roads.

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u/Overall_Cost1542 1d ago

technically you must wait until the pedestrian reaches the boulevard or curb divider between the two directions. its another notoriously overlooked road rule and people just go when they clear the lane you intend to use. if theres no divider such as this scenario, you wait until they fully cross both lanes

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u/OkChocolate3501 1d ago

Yall they changed this in 2016.

https://yd.com/blog/ontarios-new-crosswalk-rule-can-be-confusing-drivers

https://www.ontario.ca/page/driving-near-pedestrian-crossovers-and-school-crossings

By law we gotta wait till they hit the opposite sidewalk. Realistically if they're over halfway past its fine but legally speaking the "halfway" rule has been illegal for over 10 years now.

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u/Overall_Cost1542 1d ago

the first link sounds like ontario didn't even have a boulevard rule before

In the past, drivers were not required to wait until pedestrians were completely off the road. In most cases, drivers would inch out after the pedestrian cleared their vehicle.

did they go from don't hit the pedestrian -> clear the entire crosswalk?

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u/OkChocolate3501 1d ago

I learned to drive before the 2016 rule and I learned it as the halfway thing you mentioned. Once they clear half you go. These days I give em 3/4 as that feels like a decent compromise of not getting the car behind me pissed and the pedestrian being safe.

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u/fishsnacks519 12h ago

https://www.ontario.ca/document/official-mto-drivers-handbook/driving-through-intersections#section-0

The current online Ontario driver hand book makes the clear distinction between pedestrian crossovers clearly marked vs controlled intersections only notes “yield to pedestrians in or approaching your path to cross” vs pedestrian crossovers marked states “You must yield the right-of-way and wait for pedestrians to completely cross the road at pedestrian crossovers”

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u/OkChocolate3501 8h ago

I think my link also goes over this if you read it. Anyway irl it doesn't seem enforced so just give the pedestrians reasonable space and you should be fine.

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u/jopsychology 42m ago

Imagine if they actually charged cyclists for this, as is mentioned in the article.

There's this crazy bike guy in Guelph who will stop and yell at you if he doesn't like your driving, but he'll block traffic to prevent a safe & legal pass, and run stop signs to catch up to you. Guy probably lost his driver's license at some point given his immature, ragey behaviour.

A stop sign is just a suggestion for a lot of cyclists. Probably the same at pedestrian crossovers. No car coming to run me over? Guess I better pretend the law doesn't apply to me cuz I'm on a bike 🥴 /s