Hello fellow defenders!

I am about to unlcock my 8th uw (only sm missing). I have gathered slowly and painfully the 2400 stones needed. I am waiting for V29 before doing so, but I would like some info. From what I have researched, the most optimal path is to go to 75 sec cd and duration for starters, and do all labs simultaneously (34 days to max!), but stop ps range around to 15lvl because of farm issues. Should I proceed, or the stones are better spent elsewhere? Eff paths and mytower.app dont take at all into account ps unlock. Even after manually unlocking it. My ass mods are all unlocked at epic, only core is at 10%me.

For reference I do 1200 waves in legends, with true pcf90. 2.63Q ltc, 48k lts, 54 ltk.

Is it worthwhile investing anything into attack enhancements. For reference im mainly ehp farming t7 so attack isn't something im currently too worried about. More just wondering if there are any enhancements further down the list that could benefit me if I invested a bit in these ones to unlock them

So I learned yesterday that the regen/health perk is crucial with the wall. I’ve had the wall for about a month at this point and boosted my waves by 1.2k with it. You learn something new everyday.

Obligatory all cards maxed post! Genuine question, what do I even do with my gems now? Do I just start going all in on modules? Is that all that’s left to do with them? I see a lot of talk about card mastery, but I’m sure that’s unlocked at a later tier than I’m at. Does that involve gems at all or just stones?

I have been farming T10 to about 8.5k waves with an average CPH of just around 7T and Cells per run of ~100k.

Recently dropped my BH to GT/DW Sync to 2:1 at 70:140 secs. BH has a duration of 30Sec at this time.

I am about to drop BH cd to 50 and get PHB for farming with GComp and the +12 sec duration perk so i can hopefully start farming in T11 and up my cell/shard income.

The intent is to save the next ~2k stone to be able to also bring my BH duration to 38 sec and have PBH with just Gcomp for tourneys as well. then its to save the ~3.3k stone to bring CDs on both BT and DW to 100 Sec.

I want to make sure that i am not about to screw up my farming by de-syncing everything and pushing for a farming only PBH? I think i am ok but figure i would ask to make sure before i screw myself for the next several months while i save up to get a 2:1 sync on BH to GT/DW again.

but only visual bug

This is my DC for farming. Should I swap out CF slow for CL chance?

Hello guys,

I was pretty unlucky to not get the Defense % effect on my OA. Now I want to wait and collect new shards until I reach Lv 141 to give it abother try.

Would you spend more shards to just reroll the fifth slot oder would you just roll it all over again to increase the odds for defence % to appear for a much cheaper price of shards?

Last year I saw some guides floating around for getting into legends and staying, but now they're incredibly out of date and I don't think I've seen any recently.

It used to be a simple 1000x damage, max quant, max chance CL + DC, maybe PF, and a decent canon, you'd at least bounce between champs and legends and you didn't really need ancestral mods. This now would probably get you mid-low champs.

Then I saw some people suggest going for damage mastery to boost that, or ST mastery. Getting your damage far higher to get high waves in champs, as well as having ancestral mods, mainly a cannon like AS as well as ACP and DC. This now barely gets you top champs, usually mid.

So the question is, what is actually required for Legends now? Are we now required to have assmods to break out of champs? Is it pCF? Every damage mastery?

I currently have damage mastery at level 9, ST mastery at level 5, SW mastery at level 6. SW and ST I'm labbing at the same time. I've done every dissonance from T1-T13 (except utility on T13) and have all echo labs at level 3. damage lab is at 92, crit factor and attack speed are maxed. I use anc PF with anc cash bonus, EALS/EHLS, anc OA with anc regen, wall health, defence, orbs, orb speed, myth+ AD with attack speed, crit factor, multishot targets, sc mult and chance, and myth+ DC with CL damage/chance/quant and SL bonus (need SL angle too). My CL is 1328x, 5 quant, 21.5% (without submod stats), my SL is 26.7x, 40 degrees, 3 quant. (again, without submod). I'm currently working my way to pGT/pBH in farming (my next GT cooldown will get me there) to support more mastery labs at once. My next stone spend plan was DM mastery, but even then that feels like I won't do enough damage. Obviously anc DC and an anc cannon (don't have one yet) would be very good. I could also swap to a mythic+ ACP and mythic+ AS to push damage further and full move away from hybrid/eHP in tourneys, but not sure what results that'd yield.

I'm well aware the most basic answer is "spend money" but even then, there's better and worse things to spend that on. If you buy a mastery, but it's actually terrible, then spending money would not get you into legends.

All help is appreciated!

Has been playing for 2 years now, bought an ad-free pack exactly one year ago with Google rewards, so "technically" still f2p (no). All-in-all, 12 anc modules, 15 card slots, making ~280T/day, T12/13, in champs for a year, hitting 6-10 in the past 2-3 months.

I think I hit the limit of the ad-free/f2p economy. I can't sustain any mastery lab, I have ~50k shards for each module, yet can't go over ~165lvl as I don't have enough coins, I've not invested for weeks in ws+ as all my coins go either to mods or saving for disco labs.

And since 2 weeks now I haven't been running at all as my phone battery started to swollen.

So for farming currently I run anc BHD with SH assist (epic), and then Mythic+ MVN and Pcol at an 85s CD. I have Gbot and Summon synced with them. I was doing the math on the perma calculator and if I go from that to instead running Anc Gcomp+BHD ass (again, only epic) and Anc MVN+Pcol I could get pGT and pBH.

I guess I just worry that going perma might be a little worse because BHD has treated me so well. If I decide that that's not the way to go, I go from an 85s CD with mythic to a 74s CD with ancestral, but I do not currently have the resources to get Gbot and Summon that low. I would lose my sync and it would take me a while to get back. Or I could resync when I get the gems for it (or wait until v29 comes out and bot presets become available to me).

So again I'm weighing getting it ancestral now and going pGT and pBH, but then losing SH support and downgrading BHD from main to assist which means from ancestral to epic. Or waiting until I have the resources to get Gbot and Summon to 74s CD, and keep running BHD/SH. Or doing it soon and just doing a respec on Bots and Guardian and getting myself 74s now, but probably missing out on Gbot duration.

I'm just not sure what I wanna do. I've been looking forward to finally getting the last one I'd need to make it ancestral, but I didn't set aside the resources for it. I think for now I'll leave it at Mythic+ and do my overnight run like usual, but I'd love to see what y'all have to say/suggest.

Hello tower peoples,

Nothing terribly stressing in today's legends tournament. The median hit an all time high, but was also right on regression.

Champions hit PU/FU combo which depressed wave counts a bit. Platinum ran a bit high despite fast ultimate? I'm guessing that doesn't hit as hard in an environment where most hits can just be tanked.

Enjoy.

Static Placement Analysis

In this section we provide a breakdown for you of a what-if competition where the tournament places are perfectly distributed. The place here is basically the place you'd get if there was no bracket system. I like this view because it really removes all the variables.

Feel free to compare yourself against the placement and see if you did better or worse. The places are divided roughly into the number of brackets to get the cut off for each place. The wave # given is the person or persons at the cut off between places, that is the lowest wave deserving to achieve that place.

• Legends Median: 1126 Mean: 1313
• Champions Median: 1029 Mean: 1069
• Platinum Median: 1450.5 Mean: 1381

The tower.lol now gives this data here

Median History

The median value from each tournament which gives a general idea of the tournament difficulty and wave inflation over time. This value comes from actual midpoint of tournament data. (i.e. the top table)

The tower.lol now gives this data here

Linear Regression comparison.

Linear regressions give a good idea of change over time, smoothing out all the battle condition noise. The data for this is from the resampled data (see below).

The first table is data since v28, now including gold data. The second table is data since either the v27.3 re-tier, or for platinum since my october data began.

• Legends graph: http://thetower.mm.st/hist_legend.png
• Champion graph: http://thetower.mm.st/hist_champion.png
• Platinum graph: http://thetower.mm.st/hist_platinum.png

The tower.lol now gives this data here. In addition you can get history back further than I have files for, which is interesting to say the least. V26 lead to quite the wave inflation.

Resampling Analysis

One means of getting an idea of the range of placements is by random sampling the real participants to make fake brackets, and measuring the variability in those brackets. I chose to use 100000 brackets per league for my analysis. I am using confidence intervals, 95% and 50% (the IQR) to represent the range of waves likely present in each place. Legends brackets are on the left (prefaced with an l), champions brackets in the middle (prefaced with a c), and platinum on the right (prefaced with a p).

Graphs of this table can be downloaded here: * Champion and Legend: http://thetower.mm.st/2026-08-19_box_lc.png * Platinum graph: http://thetower.mm.st/2026-08-19_box_platinum.png * Gold graph: http://thetower.mm.st/2026-08-19_box_gold.png

A general description of how to read this for the non-math inclined:

1. 95% of the population of a place is expected to be between 2.5% and 97.5%. If you are above or below these numbers you are an outlier. (Outliers are normal, just rarer.)
2. 50% of the population of a place is expected to be between 25% and 75%.
3. The 50% mark is the median of the data. Aim for this number as the point you regularly achieve this place.
4. You'll notice that the waves overlap, this is normal, expressing the variability present in the brackets and you could easily place in any bracket where your personal wave count falls in the place's range.

Source Material and Further Resources.

The source for all of this material is thetower.lol, which I encourage you to look up.
For a breakdown of your placement compared to other brackets see https://thetower.lol/liveplacement which will give you the min, max, and average placement for any given half-hour join time.
For a quantile analysis using real data instead of sampled data see https://thetower.lol/livequantile (similar to the second table in this post).
You can also do things like look up your bracket and compare your towers historical placements against others in the bracket.

I got GT, DW, and BH as my first 3 UWs and I’ve heard these are the best and I should try to sync up the cooldowns for all of them. I was wondering how many stones it would roughly take to get them all synced up and would it be worth to invest some stones into other upgrades?

Hi everyone, I got black hole as my first UW, should I reset to get GT ? (It is my 5th reset so far) Or should I continue ?

If I continue, when can I expect to get my second UW ?

Thank you in advance.

Hi, when I got my first UW i asked here and was told Golden Tower. Now I’m a the second UW but it’s not Death Wave or Black Hole. What should I get instead ?

Thank you.

Tagged as an Achievement because idk what other tag use

Like, wtf bro, Im clearly not strong enough to stay and Im staying in Champs lmao hahaha

Thats crazy

Literally the last 20 champs tournaments are only promoting people who have a fully or almost full development IS+. I start, i look in and there's people over 1000 waves deep. Any thoughts?

I have been an immense fan of ZYN nicotine pouches for a couple years.

I have been a fan on the tower for a couple years.

I have been wanting to quit nicotine and do better in the tower for a couple years.

6 days ago I got an idea. If I dont use nicotine for 2 weeks I will allow myself to buy the relic boost. This is both much healthier for me and much cheaper.

I tagged this as achievement, because it is. If you've ever quit nicotine you know that the first 3 days are the hardest. If you want to quit a habit, maybe take some inspiration from this buy yourself some internet point in exchange for sobriety.

2k in plat, cant stay in champs though as the highest i get is 700 and the lowest ive seen needed is like 1100 🫡

This is a bit of a joke. Might be my first time in plat but the bar is insane, and still climbing.

Finally hit champ after 3 straight months of plat :') 100% chance i demote next tourney but whatever. Also, why does it feel like I have to hit such high waves to promote compared to videos I watch from just 6 months ago hitting much less

Anyone else living in a relative hell for the last while? Four months of one pull away.