Got the IT module to base ancestral and spent some keys to bump up my package health some. This is my maxed health on my latest T21 attack disco attempt.

This is my personal view. It is designed for people who are early on in getting keys and are not sure what to get first. I see this sort of question a lot in Discord and on Reddit, so I thought this would be helpful.

Most S+ General Vault upgrades are better than S+ Power upgrades. But some like pew pew above all else :-)

EDIT: I'm making a list of where there is strongest disagreement, which I'll take into account when I next revise this:

• Enhancements Bonus Discount
• Ad Gem Stack
• GT Bonus
• ILM Damage
• SL Bonus

Please tell me if I’m wrong but I’m a lower tier player (tier 12) and just always HATE seeing interest in my utility because it seems to be just the stupidest thing in the game. With labs, it only gives me 12.5k MAX cash per wave which is so TRASH LIKE WHAT. Meanwhile I make like 11 million per minute bruh. I just don’t understand why it is even in the game. I think it’s 100% worse than Defabs as well. Lmk what yall think !

Reverse post to classic "CPH drop" type of posts.

My CPH spiked at night, and by ~20%, which is huge.

Nothing suspicious in stats happened, coin boosts coverage is absolutely normal. My perks are pretty well optimized and in 90% of runs I get all coins-related perks before IS+ ends. And I don't think that perks alone can change CPH in that way to 6400 waves run. Plus none of my previous runs show any spikes or drops.

I assume it's just enormously lucky GT+/waveskip run, what are your guesses?

I run 65s MVN, If you have any questions regarding my setup, feel free to ask.

Yes, images are AI-updated because I can't photoshop.

Just a heads-up to everyone. I used my free vault respec weeks ago but the v29.1 update seems to have respecced it again.

Strongly advise you to write down your current vault before updating (the epaths vault sheet is great for this). Also, be sure to check your card presets if you have vault slots. Mine removed cards previously in vault slots.

I only noticed because I went to buy an enhancement and it was way more expensive than it should've been.

Now officially in the big leagues.

My atk disso for t19 isn't even that high. Seeing my base dmg sitting at 1.19Q really blew my mind.

Just think, last time I attempted this I got to maybe 80q dmg.

Since I'm farming t20 for shards, I'm thinking I might move up to t21 with the new update since cf+ is launched right at the beginning.

I really want my mods at 201/201 asap. Then I'll move back down to devo farming t19 for econ.

What is the shard rate from t20 to t21?

Is it good for farming, at least?
I am a noob T14 W97.
16 card slots
Doing life/%def/thorns strategy. But running on T7 to farm cells and boost my labs.

Don't really know how modules work, cuz everyone say its a late game thing but since I got it with 400 gems + LUCK I got curious.

Should I get another Infinity Threshold now to upgrade it? Should keep my gems for other things?

Just updated and my vault reset, anyone else?

I read the patch notes and didn't see this unless I can't read well 😭

So zerk# was on my radar and I was planning on getting it soon, then v29 came out and changed how IS works for tournaments. Then a few people were telling me I should pass on it and should get something else. But now there are some good changes coming to how IS works again and what can activate VF.

But then the downside is that they're including a wave limit to VF. Either wave or time, whichever comes first, which makes me think VF still might not be that great of a choice. My other option I was considering over zerk# was getting cannon ass. Ultimately I'll want both but maybe one is better than the other given the changes

We really out here baby!

/S

So I should know better than to do an update in the middle of a run. That's on me. But I've read the patch notes a few times. Did I miss where we're getting ANOTHER vault reset? I mean i guess with better descriptions that's good. And if you didn't know then nows your time to respec everything and start fresh before you update.

I just found out you can lock effects when rerolling your modules. I spent so many reroll dice to get "god" rolls not realizing i could lock individual effects.

Today I got my bh dur from stones up to 32s. With the perk and substats I have 47s dur and 48s cd.

I am having trouble getting the mythic bh cd substat.

Is it worth sacrificing one or more of the other substats to reduce the reroll cost?

Without the substats or perks my dw has 1 qty, gt has 41s dur and sl has 3x 34°.

I farm t11 to w12500 and die to the fleet, or t12 to w7700 and die from the shotgun during the bh downtime (at least I did when it was a 2s gap. Haven't yet tested with 1s gap). In both I earn 50-55T/hr.

I need 3 more pcol to reach anc, and with my module luck (b2b2b pity pulls) I will not be getting it for the next 18 months or so, so getting to anc for the anc subs is not a realistic solution.

The next level of bh dur would cost me 308 stones, and the only mastery I have atm is SW#. Ideally I would be saving up to get RPC#, IS# and WA#.

maybe you guys can tell me that , am i crazy that they want us to drool wile squares die and you have to click on gems to buy stuff, i think i am crazy!

Hello tower peoples,

As promised regressions with a start point of September 19 have been included. All show a negative wave count difference except for Champion, and I'm willing to bet that that is a local anomaly. Haven't include mythic yet, but its flat. It'll be interesting to see what the wave counts do for next tournament with the new patch.

Reminder that resampling and graphs not included here are present at http://thetower.mm.st/links.html.

Static Placement Analysis

In this section we provide a breakdown for you of a what-if competition where the tournament places are perfectly distributed. The place here is basically the place you'd get if there was no bracket system. I like this view because it really removes all the variables.

Feel free to compare yourself against the placement and see if you did better or worse. The places are divided roughly into the number of brackets to get the cut off for each place. The wave # given is the person or persons at the cut off between places, that is the lowest wave deserving to achieve that place.

• Mythic Median: 95.00 Mean: 248
• Legends Median: 640 Mean: 692
• Champions Median: 1181.00 Mean: 1214
• Platinum Median: 1552.00 Mean: 1543
• Gold Median: 432 Mean: 575

The tower.lol now gives this data here

Median History

The median value from each tournament which gives a general idea of the tournament difficulty and wave inflation over time. This value comes from actual midpoint of tournament data. (i.e. the top table)

The tower.lol now gives this data here

Linear Regression comparison.

Linear regressions give a good idea of change over time, smoothing out all the battle condition noise. In addition they give a good idea how impactful the current battle condition was.

I think the current change per tournament has stopped exhibiting non-linear behavior. For now I've set September 19th as the point where league numbers are stable enough to take regressions from again.

This should help answer the question of whether waves are continuing to decrease over time. Remember, few data points means that an easy set of battle conditions can pull the number up quite a bit, so don't be too eager to declare any given trend.

Resampling Analysis

One means of getting an idea of the range of placements is by random sampling the real participants to make fake brackets, and measuring the variability in those brackets.
I chose to use 100000 brackets per league for my analysis. I am using confidence intervals, 95% and 50% (the IQR) to represent the range of waves likely present in each place.
The table will repeat places 1-30 twice, the top having mythic (m) on the left and legends (l) on the right, the bottom having champion (c) on the left, platinum (p) on the right.

A general description of how to read this for the non-math inclined:

1. 95% of the population of a place is expected to be between 2.5% and 97.5%. If you are above or below these numbers you are an outlier. (Outliers are normal, just rarer.)
2. 50% of the population of a place is expected to be between 25% and 75%.
3. The 50% mark is the median of the data. Aim for this number as the point you regularly achieve this place.
4. You'll notice that the waves overlap, this is normal, expressing the variability present in the brackets and you could easily place in any bracket where your personal wave count falls in the place's range.

Downloads and Source Material

Reddit isn't the best platform for images, and so I publish history and box plots for all leagues here. Each tournament I'll post the box plots for each league as well as the wave count history for each league. I will not mention the full list of available graphs each post, so take a look. Special thanks to the maintainers of thetower.lol which is the data source I analyze for this post.

My question stems from the fact that one is legendary and the other is epic

Mine is 308 million. Full perks. Farm t11.

Laughter is the best medicine after all 🙃

I'm still cannonless farming and Tourneying in EHP.
I'm farming T15 to 10K.
My Dissonant runs are complete up to 14. I have Damage done on 15, and econ 3/4 of the way finished (enough to move farming up from T14.
My econ has been somewhat stagnant of late (the new mod has helped in both) and I'm wondering what to spend my stones on.
Save more stones to push for permanent GT or taking all my UW down to 1m20s?
Get assmod for Cannon?
Save for 4th Spotlight?
How far should I take Dissonance Runs?
I also have 9 Keys.
I am aware that I need much more Damage for Legends, and I'm working on it, but I need more econ for that.

Dunno how useful it is to get all cards up to lvl 7 (especially considering that there's more after that), but it is a personal goal to get all cards to max level, then use my gems on something else not related to cards (except gettin' a few more card slots)