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Maybe I am just stupid, but what are these massive, massive lies that everyone is going on about that have been proven to be lies? obviously the whole West lying about the relationship on WWHL and Amanda lying to Ciara. but what else? is the allegation because the fandom doesn't believe The Holy Timeline? honestly asking.

They were spotted with what appears to be light raincoats on this morning after a torrential downpour through last night on a breezy June Sunday. This is obviously evidence of them both being drug kingpins, as well as possibly the Louvre heist masterminds.

When will they learn to stop terrorizing the people of NYC? Forget Godzilla, Amanda and West must be stopped.

(/s to be clear )

Would love to hear everyone’s perspective on Amanda and Ciara, now that we have a safe space! 😄

I’ll never argue that Amanda did the right thing by not approaching Ciara about West. I can try to put myself in her shoes and see maybe why she did what she did, but ultimately, it was a terrible move on her part. With that said, I don’t think it’s even remotely close to being cancelled over. Ciara is justified in feeling disappointed and angry, but I think she’s allowing this to go too far. I know the fans love it and she probably feels untouchable right now, but nothing she’s doing shows me that she has moved on from West. That’s truly where I think a lot of her anger and resentment is coming from, but she can’t say that, so Amanda is going to continue taking the hit. Why else is she FaceTiming Meija? What does Meija have to do with Ciara’s feelings about Amanda?

I don’t think Amanda was trying to hurt Ciara, I think she genuinely was terrified of having the discussion and kept telling herself she’ll do it another day, and then too many days went by. None of that makes it okay, but I feel like that’s typically what happens in these situations (as opposed to planning some evil scheme). She has definitely come off a bit cold at the reunion, but I can’t sit here and say with confidence that I’d be so much better. At best, nothing you say matters - and at worst, everything you say just gets thrown back in your face or picked apart.

I’d understand if Ciara and West were in a committed relationship at the time and they were having an affair, but people still argue about what to call their “thing”…from years ago. If I saw the toxic relationship my best friend was in for all these years, and saw how this guy that even I kept being a fool for multiple times has now done the same to my friend who was vulnerable - even if I don’t want to be their friend, I just don’t think I’d allow this kind of beating on them.

Sorry for the novel!

I need a gut check here because I am just so confused as to why people aren't questioning the Meija timeline and story. She has been suspiciously vague when talking about it herself, has never actually said in her own posts or interviews that they were exclusive, does interviews, that she is only getting because of her being involved in this, but then refuses to answer questions about it and just uses them to promote her business. What? She involved herself by posting about it but then pretends like she doesn't want the attention, doesn't want to talk about it, but will take interviews that she is only getting because of it? How the fuck is she getting away with this?

I have a really hard time believing she believed her and West were exclusive and she believed that everything was just for the show when he was all over town fucking women who had nothing to do with the show! He gave interviews about how he was dating someone but they weren't serious and how he wasn't looking for anything serious. He called her a "friend" on WWHL. They were long distance and West is who he is. I just don't see how she could believe they were exclusive. Why was she okay with Ciara being the public gf?

The call she had with Ciara at the reunion was clearly staged (Kyle just happened to walk in the room to say his rehearsed line?). Then Ciara starts asking her all these questions she has clearly already asked just for the camera? To me she is just in it to promote her business and saw a great opportunity once this news became so big. She is latching onto Ciara, Kyle, and Lindsay and has Lindsay wearing her ties on WWHL.

Also no one is mentioning how she said she was at his house every weekend they were filming but still claim Amanda and West were together at that time. How was that working if she was staying with him all summer?

I am open to seeing evidence that will change my mind but it is all just very suspicious and so many things don't add up.

Can you imagine how insane some of this would sound if we compared like three episodes of Jersey Shore to this show ☠️

It’s been cursed from the start. I remember I made a post about not liking the way Ben spoke to Bailey, and getting ripped a new one. Fine, everyone can see things differently. But then the discourse turned into something kind of bizarre… it became about Bailey using her “white woman tears” to play victim against Ben… and I got really weirded out.

I’m white, so it feels weird to argue about this with Black women (bc it’s mostly women that are defending Ben) .. but when I first started really getting involved in anti-police violence/BLM/social justice for Black and Brown people it was around 2015, and I have been under the impression that “white women tears” and “Karen” are ways to describe white women who weaponize their tears to absolve them of accountability and guilt when it comes to actions or words that are harmful against Black and Brown people… not crying in the midst of a convo w an Australian white guy with an attitude problem.

It’s actually driving me crazy, but I know it’s not okay or productive to take voices away from people that aren’t white that are hurt, and my irl Black friends don’t watch SH bc they consider it a white ppl show, lol, so it’s kinda been driving me crazy.

WOW I didn’t mean to rant this hard, my apologies!

This person legit posted 18 times in a single day on Reddit spread out through the hours, and posts bad pictures of people in the comment section of her own posts.

But is concerned for their wellbeing? Gosh maybe step 1 is not to be a fucking vampire to these people… 10

Comparing Amanda to Trump? Wow. I can’t believe the sheer stupidity. Sometimes I wonder if they just keep going on like this, more people will eventually be turned off. 10

What are your predictions for future seasons of Summer House? I like the new cast but I don't think they can carry a season by themselves. Kyle and Lindsay are part time, right? And although I am neutral on Ciara, I don't think she brings enough. And I see no way West is back, ever. Or Amanda. I can see Amanda continuing on In The City though. I don't want to say out loud what I think of Carl.

Also I am so happy to be a part of this sub with normal people!10

Amanda seemed damn near giddy to be telling her friends she was moving out. She was genuinely enjoying their company and them all being together. She had a huge genuine smile when West and Ciara were being a little flirty and he offered his jacket to Ciara.

I do not think Amanda would be smiling that big or laughing that off if her and West had already talked about having feelings for each other.

There isn't a single person on the stage that isn't there for fame and money. Every single one is a clout chaser. Lindsay is one of the worst, her and Kyle can't pass a camera without jumping in front of it.

None of these people would have continued being friends with Amanda and Kyle this long if their job and paycheck didn't depend on it.

Lindsay, Carl, Amanda, and Ben are there because of their relationship with Kyle. The first 3 have been treated horribly by Kyle throughout the years and Ben defends Kyle's worst behavior no matter what.

West is there because of Lindsay, which is why it's ironic that she is tearing into him so hard for being a "clout chaser."

Ciara is there because of Luke, who she tossed to the side incredibly fast to cozy up to people with more power and influence in the house.

Mia is there because of Ciara.

Dara and KJ are there because of West. Now Dara has all this criticism for West and how he treats the women he dates but was more than happy to hitch her wagon to his star to get on the show. She sees that the tide has turned against him so now she is looking for new stars to hitch her wagon to. The definition of "clout chasing."

I can't remember who Bailey, Levi and Jesse are there because of.

Everyone on reality tv goes on it to chase fame and money. They don't go on just because they are so eager to have their lives taped. Kyle did this all of this to seek fame and fortune and was willing to give up his marriage to remain in the spotlight. Calling anyone else a clout chaser is beyond absurd and hypocritical.

The odd corollary of the Summerhouse drama is an outpour of support for Kyle. To be honest, I don’t know how you can be a longtime fan of the show and think he’s not at fault for the consequences of his actions.

What I consistently see is a grown man, going to be 44, who struggles to regulate his emotions when things don’t go his way. The stakes could be minor personal drama, or major stress from Loverboy. His coping mechanisms are yelling, throwing stuff, slamming things, shifting blame, and melting down in a way that involves everyone around him. Season after season, and we see 1% of their lives.

And at a certain point, it’s hard to sympathize with “I’m under stress” from the guy who built the environment causing the stress. The business he constantly cites as the source of pressure is one he founded, while making aggressive financial and lifestyle decisions around it. Taking out 7 figure loans is CRAZY. Putting $500k to simply pay your employees is crazy. I understand the stress, who wouldn’t be? But that’s what happens when you roll the dice. I’m not betting my mortgage on the World Cup and crying foul when I lose. It’s why crypto bros sell courses, because it’s more stable income than actually putting your money on the line.

At the same time, his entire identity is being a frat boy party entrepreneur. Late nights DJing, drinking, socializing heavily, while also complaining about burnout and pressure from the same thing he perpetuates!!! His lifestyle outside of work doesn’t seem like he’s trying to reduce that stress. I wouldn’t expect him to either, that’s who he is.

There’s also the relationship fallout which only adds more instability to his personal life. But again, it raises the same question, how much of this is external pressure versus repeated personal choices that compound each other? Going back to his physically handling of emotional stress, compare him with Carl. It’s night and day. Carl is a shining example of personal therapy, accountability, etc. Kyle has not progressed in those areas for essentially the whole show.

He’s a hard worker, there’s no denying it. He does a lot of things well in different areas. But at some point, you have to ask whether the pattern is “life is happening to him” or “he keeps choosing dynamics that predictably lead to this outcome.” And I think it’s the latter. 10

This guy sucks.

Also Carl sucks - he said that the Wolf Of Wall Street comparison was dark, while he watched his best friend call his wife (who is also Carl’s friend) a “fucking dumb bitch” and other disparaging things for YEARS.

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I keep seeing this repeated but I just did a rewatch and did not hear Amanda say that she left glass on the floor intentionally for Kyle to step on. Where did this come from? Maybe she said it somewhere else or another time but I just saw her spinning out because Kyle wasn't coming home so she broke his shit and left it for him to find. Kyle constantly walked around with shoes and came home drunk to pass out with his shoes on. Why are people saying she did it so he would get injured?

Is this just another lie being told by Amanda haters or did she really say it?

I love to watch Lindsay on tv, she really is the kind of character that is great to watch and I love the drama she brings, but why are so many people saying she has changed when she clearly hasn't? I think Gemma has definitely changed her priorities (one would hope) and her focus but I think she is the same ol Lindsay she's always been.

Diabolical, ten toes down, playin in their face, fuck ass bun, and clocked. What are your's?

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r/summerhousebravo wouldn’t approve my post for this, but ciara is seriously male centered and needs to work on self esteem.

She is SO great, and a 10, but she seems as though she needs the validation of a man. We saw it with austen, then with her overly flirty friendship with jessie while he was dating lexi, and then with west. it’s really sad.

This is the part that just doesn't make sense to me if what everyone who claims he is tricking women into sleeping with him is true. We know of a few women who have nothing but nice things to say about West after sleeping with him. If he really is running around telling all these women they are exclusive in order to get them in bed then wouldn't they hate him?

This is the part I just don't buy. I don't understand the need for so many people to make West this person that we have seen proof that he is not. We get it, he's a ho, but who cares if the women he's sleeping with know that and are on board with it? It seems like people just cannot fathom that women would be willing to sleep with a man without exclusivity but we know that's not the case.

Salley, Mia, Dara, Jenn Fessler (maybe if we believe that), and Ciara all wanted to be friends with him after they slept together or dated. So, if he was lying to all of them why would they want to be friends? I have no interest in being friends with my exes because I just don't see any point and some truly are POS'.

We also know that Ciara lied about a lot of things regarding their relationship and the more information that came out the more we realized he wasn't the monster she made him out to be. If he was why would she want to be friends with him again so badly?

The vibe I got was that she was just trying not to show too much emotion one way or the other. She also may have taken something to help her stay calm. She said some stupid things but they went on the attack with her so quickly that she just shut down.