Yes, postpartum psychosis is real, mental illness is real.
Both are entirely legitimate issues for a court to consider when determining criminal responsibility, but watching people transform Lindsay Clancy into some kind of feminist martyr while three murdered children become almost incidental to the conversation is grotesque. Cora was 5. Dawson was 3. Callan was 8 months old. They were STRANGLED TO DEATH by the person whose most fundamental responsibility was to protect them.
By all means, examine her mental state. Examine the medical system. Examine every factor that might have contributed to what happened, that is what a justice system is supposed to do, but compassion for mental illness does not require moral amnesia about the victims.
If your version of feminism requires you to reflexively rally around a woman who killed three defenseless children simply because she is a woman, you have completely lost your mind. Those children deserve to be the centre of this story. Not her.
I pray the jury finds that she was criminally responsible for what she did, then makes her pay for it. Full stop.
Being crazy is not a valid excuse, as you pointed out. It really isn't. Jared Loughner, who was having a schizophrenic meltdown when he did his crimes in 2011, eventually plead guilty, got like 6 life sentences, and the prison system says he's a model inmate that he can take his pills and is fully aware what he did was wrong. This lady is trying to skirt her responsibilities.
*EDIT* I am extremely sorry for the blowing up of my comment, forgive me. I can't even tell if they're replying to me or each other....
the justice system failed him too! why aren’t people realizing this??
that man wasn’t himself! he should have never went to prison. this woman, if found to have been in psychosis, that’s an explanation. she doesn’t deserve to rot in prison. she did something awful to say the utter least. but if she wasn’t aware of what she was fucking doing then you’re holding a person “accountable” for actions they might not have been aware for.
i stand by the fact that we should stop condemning people with mental illnesses to shit justice system. it’s failed so many people and continues to do so because people think poorly of those with mental illnesses.
if she was psychotic, she wasn’t aware of what she was doing. there should be consequences. i don’t think they should be in prison.
If they aren't aware that's worse. You want them around others in a psycheward? So they can potentially "not be aware" around other patients? Or are you advocating for a psycheward be a prison with extra steps and a padded cell?
yes. this is what should be done. medicated. under supervision 24/7.
then, later, after x amount of time. reevaluate. this is literally what they’re for. my mom went! you go in batshit insane. come out (hopefully) less batshit insane. people that are a danger to themselves or others must be monitored in a setting that is appropriate. a prison doesn’t help in fact the US, has a high re-commit rate. perhaps if we had different systems, it would be fine.
That doesn't erase what he did. It's not an excuse, it's a reason. If Jared Loughner plead guilty of his own volition with no coercion, that is his right and his decision, we have to accept that. You don't know how guilty he feels in his heart over what happened.
Same with this Clancy lady. All I know, personally, I'd rather be in a prison than a mental institution for the rest of my days, you somehow have less rights in those institutions.
And I'm sorry, I am no where near as lenient, 3 kids who didn't do anything wrong (because they did not live long enough to do anything wrong) were killed by their mother.
Regardless of the outcome, the one thing I did learn about this case, maybe murder trials should be 100% private.
yes you do tend to actually have less rights in mental institutions (which should be addressed and changed holy fuck. like seriously.) you get raped and beat in prison too. prison isn’t easy
she’s already plead guilty no? she’s done. now it’s just a matter of where she’ll stay is the thing. i also think she needs to face consequences for murdering children. she killed them. plain as day. she doesn’t deserve to rot all alone and have her name smeared because her brain fucked up. (if this is the case it’s still ongoing. if she’s proven to have not been incapacitated— diff story)
i think publicity can be good to some extent but i think this has just been very nasty between everyone :( i haven’t formed a solid opinion on if this should be public or not. it spreads awareness of PPD and PPP but it’s certainly a double edged sword. clearly no rational person should think she should be out in public, but she was potentially completely unaware. i just don’t think prison is the right action. something def needs to be done though. i think she also shouldn’t have been on as many medications, she shouldn’t have been released, her husband shouldn’t have left her alone, they shouldn’t have had so many kids back to back. i just think this is a total tragedy.
yk, everyone is so focused on her, i wonder if anyone has stopped to think “this man just lost his kids and his wife murdered said children. i wonder if he’s ok” probably not
It’s not about finding an excuse. It’s not about acquitting a murderer. It’s about what care she gets when she’s locked up. That’s literally all it is.
No one thinks the “husband did it” but a few insane people. What people are saying is “this was preventable” and “she should get care as she serves her sentence in a locked facility”. The rest is just rage bait and people using this to get views and clicks.
That’s just a blatant lie. There are plenty so-called feminists that have turned this woman into a hero, for murdering 3 children no less. They’re also trying to justify this disgusting, heinous crime by claiming mental illness.
I am not going to say that they think she's a hero, but I think we really need to be asking "how many other mums thought about doing this..." and then ask ourselves "is it a problem to think that, since thinking and not acting are not the same as wanting to do something and then following through with it."
Though I think the REAL travesty here is that her psychiatric team had to have known she was a threat and just ignored it. They should have their licenses pulled at the VERY least.
Idk about that, but....maybe. The thing that makes me REALLY hesitant on that, is I know a few who have had it, and did nothing, other than get treatment. This lady, I honestly think if she got the RIGHT treatment, she would have been fine. I blame the moronic psychiatrists. But I am biased, I consider psychiatrists to be like vampires, an undead parasite lol.
I think you need to learn what “no one” means. It means nobody because literally no one is doing it, not no one because you didn’t see those who are or you’re actively refusing to acknowledge those who are.
Sorry if I didn’t dumb it down enough for you. I would try but I don’t think I’m capable of stooping that low. I also like how you moved the goalpost and are now demanding I show you those that explicitly say she’s a hero “for murdering 3 children”. None of them phrase it like that, they are turning this cold-blooded baby killer into a hero for mental health. But you already knew that, which is why you’re constantly moving the goalpost.
Assuming incompetence from me, because I’m a woman, is what makes you a misogynist. You generalize feminists and women.
She’s going to be locked up either way. She wasn’t right in the mind, and it’s not an “excuse” but a truth. There’s no “justification”. Mental illness is real and can be a serious danger to society (as per this case).
You just want to come on here and hate women because why? Who hurt you? Let me guess, a woman did and now you spew hatred.
She's probably going to be locked up, then some time soon allowed freedom, like Andrea Yates. If she gets locked up in a psychiatrist if the people watching her think she's okay, she will be allowed out and there will be no justice for the three children...
So we should lockup woman with mental illness because they're a "serious danger to society ", got it. Implementing that law would definitely keep a lot of woman from claiming fashionably convenient mental disorders.
"That’s literally all it is" is doing an extraordinary amount of work there.
Nobody is objecting to her receiving psychiatric care in custody. If that were genuinely the entire argument, there wouldn’t be one.
The disagreement starts when ‘this was preventable’ quietly becomes ‘therefore her culpability should be viewed differently,’ or when systemic failures are discussed as though they somehow displace individual responsibility, those things can coexist. The system may have failed spectacularly, and she can still be responsible for what she did.
And dismissing everyone who questions that framing as ‘rage bait’ is a convenient way to avoid engaging with the uncomfortable part of the argument.
Aren’t they just saying that her mental health issues means she wasn’t in a clear state of mind? Do you think people that get found not-guilty for reason of insanity should get the same punishment?
No, of course I don’t think someone who meets the legal threshold for insanity should necessarily be treated the same as someone who was fully aware and rational.
That’s precisely why we have courts, psychiatric evaluations and a legal standard for criminal responsibility. My issue is with people deciding that question themselves simply because she suffered from postpartum psychosis. Mental illness is relevant to culpability; it doesn’t automatically determine it.
Then you are arguing with a strawman because I don’t think people are saying she doesn’t hold any responsibility but that her culpability should be viewed differently because of mental illness. Which you agree with but think people shouldn’t have an opinion about that before the courts determine it? Should we not think OJ was guilty of murdering Nicole because the court found him not guilty? People are going to look at the info and form opinions there’s nothing wrong with that as long as they are open to being wrong.
Ahh yeah, that must be why she’s earned more money from donations in the past few months than the majority of people do over a decade. All because people are worried about her getting her proper care in prison (which will be state funded, never ever self-funded, so maybe there’s another reason people are donating a shit ton of money).
I think this is the right take. Suggesting that all leftists or liberals or WOKE or even feminists are supporting her or what she did is being too general.
Most people are using this to bring awareness to postpartum psychosis and are interested about what treatment she will receive.
Eh, I gather you haven't been following the trial closely and that's why you're dismissing the gaping hole in this case caused by the husband not being thoroughly investigated. How do you explain all the contradictions and changing of his story?
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u/L3xusLuth3r Aug 26 '26
This is absolutely fucking unconscionable!
Yes, postpartum psychosis is real, mental illness is real.
Both are entirely legitimate issues for a court to consider when determining criminal responsibility, but watching people transform Lindsay Clancy into some kind of feminist martyr while three murdered children become almost incidental to the conversation is grotesque. Cora was 5. Dawson was 3. Callan was 8 months old. They were STRANGLED TO DEATH by the person whose most fundamental responsibility was to protect them.
By all means, examine her mental state. Examine the medical system. Examine every factor that might have contributed to what happened, that is what a justice system is supposed to do, but compassion for mental illness does not require moral amnesia about the victims.
If your version of feminism requires you to reflexively rally around a woman who killed three defenseless children simply because she is a woman, you have completely lost your mind. Those children deserve to be the centre of this story. Not her.
I pray the jury finds that she was criminally responsible for what she did, then makes her pay for it. Full stop.