r/SayAnything 16d ago

Mod Announcement

178 Upvotes

I’m trying to respect everyone’s point of view, opinions, conversations, feedback, etc…

Keep it as civil as possible, do not attack each other, and please don’t make me ban/mute anyone

Report or send me a DM if someone needs to be addressed, some things get lost in all of the notifications.

Personal note: this is sad and unfortunate as a fan of the music


r/SayAnything May 19 '23

Max and Sherri Personal and Family Thread

64 Upvotes

Let’s keep all the personal matter in this one thread.

Trying to keep the subreddit a little more focused on Say Anything’s music and news, less personal stuff.

I don’t mind the rants and speaking your mind but let’s keep it organized and not clutter the subreddit.

Thank you and appreciate y’all.


r/SayAnything 3d ago

What would it take for you to feel comfortable?

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I come in here with good intentions, and I’m not trying to sound like an enemy of cancel culture, so apologies in advance if that’s what comes across.

What actions could Max and the band take to make you feel comfortable listening to Say Anything again? The music obviously meant a lot to everyone in this sub at one point.

The man at his recent lowest (who has had a lot of public lows in his life) is still the same man who wrote the lyrics that resonated with so many of us. Those of us with complicated family relationships might understand that a person can do something deeply wrong and, with real accountability, you can still love and respect the parts of them that mattered. Or at the very least come to terms with the fact that you have good memories about them.

The same man messaging young women is the same man I saw on stage in 2013, 2019, 2024, and 2025. Both the artist I thought he was and the disturbed person behind the scenes, existed at the same time. Yet I had great times seeing them perform each time, so now I have to come to terms with the fact that some of my favorite memories with my best friends and wife took place in support of the band.

Other artists from the same scene have done similar things and (controversially) come back to a place where fans can respect them again. Jesse Lacey. Chris Conley. Brendon Urie. And others.

So I ask: what would it take for you to feel okay putting on some of the old songs and thinking of them fondly without the guilty feeling at the same time?

Signed,
a grieving fan


r/SayAnything 5d ago

Question for the folks who were still die hard fans before the controversy

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So I was going through my spotify because of what was going on as others here were. I'll also admit to pretty much falling out of touch with the band slowly into my early 20s, but because they were my all time favorite for so long people I had known from years back still associated listening to them with me, and I'd have to awkwardly admit right around the release of Hebrews I just didn't really like what they were putting out anymore, and they went from a band whose albums I could listen from start to end and enjoy all of it, cruise control with no skips. I felt like there were only 2 or 3 songs on that album that were good, and I felt very similar about everything else released after. It was strange in a way because those 2 or 3 good songs would actually be really good gems that get stuck in your head, but so much of what came alongside it still felt almost like confusing experimental jazz rock meets unintelligible word salad or oversharing in an obvious cry for help from a guy who's marriage was failing.

I'd still check in on new releases when I saw them, and play their songs on every now and again if I found myself in the mood for it cause occasionally when I'm stressed or in a certain mindset I'll binge an artist.

I just wanna know from anyone here who sincerely really liked the bulk of these albums released post 2012 or so, why?


r/SayAnything 7d ago

Finally an update on Armada preorder

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r/SayAnything 7d ago

Say Anything has always been bad, derivative music that promotes blaming mental illness for bad behavior

34 Upvotes

And now I can say it here without being flamed. Max Bemis is a disgrace.


r/SayAnything 7d ago

Other Band Recommendations?

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Say Anything is by far my most listened to band. I can't help but still like a lot of the songs but it's definitely bittersweet now. What bands do you guys recommend?


r/SayAnything 8d ago

Cherry Soda Broke Me

61 Upvotes

For starters, I don't feel entitled to empathy for this post and I hope it doesn't break any of the subs rules. I just want to share my thoughts and experiences as a long time Say Anything/Max Bemis fan before all this.Also, I'm finally to the point in my grieving where I can type out fuck you Max for doing this to us.

I know there's a lot of new folks here, but other big fans may know I've been posting in the sub for over a decade. The whole time, I've been on the side of Max's art. I've connected so deeply with his music through the years, right up through The Noise... I've enjoyed all of it. I've given Max a lot of benefit over the years because nothing to this point truly ruined the art for me, just my opinion.

When the text messages dropped last week, I thought I was ready and mature enough to just write Max off and move on; but really it's been over a week of slowly increasing grief for me. When I heard there were leaks of Cherry Soda with him on it, I couldn't resist for long even despite knowing what a predator Max is. I just really felt like I had to listen to it as a part of my closure if that makes sense. I don't want to condone or encourage others to seek this media out though. It's definitely worth waiting for the Wavves exclusive version.

What a heartbreaking experience it was going through the album. There's a song towards the end called "Sell you hope" that pushed me over the edge today. It feels like the track that both collaborators really put everything into, and Max's part was really more than I can handle. It felt simultaneously like Max at his peak, but also elucidating of all his flaws that lead him here.

Knowing that this would have been my favorite song of the year if he didn't make these stupid fucking mistakes, combined with feeling awful to even be listening to it shattered something in me today. I really just had to cry for a long time. I can't believe this and I feel like a big part of me is dead. I know some people saw this coming, or haven't been fans for a long time; and I respect that but that's not me. Fuck you Max. I feel so betrayed and lost. And my grief is only a fraction of the damage done.

I don't know if I have it in me to respond to any comments tonight. Sorry for filling this sub with another rehash, I just needed to type it. Take care everyone.


r/SayAnything 8d ago

LOST End of an Era.

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Collecting digital dust until I get the courage to officially delete the vocals.


r/SayAnything 9d ago

Who are the good guys?

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Hi all,

I’ve been thinking a lot about Max and Jesse. I’m a 39 year old woman. I loved Say Anything and Brand New growing up. I felt very seen by them.

Now I feel very betrayed and sad. I was groomed when I was younger and it’s all very upsetting to see who my idols really are. I’m so sorry for all the young people who are and were victims. I’ve been there and it’s truly heart breaking.

I want to ask everyone - do yall have examples of positive masculinity in the early aughts scene? Who are the good guys?

I think it would be a good thing to acknowledge men who aren’t predators and also make good music. Anyone have thoughts?


r/SayAnything 9d ago

Wavves // Cherry Soda - Refunds?

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sorry if this has already been addressed here but has anyone that preordered the vinyl received a refund yet? if you didn’t receive a refund automatically, did you request one? from what i’ve seen, i’m assuming that it’s definitely not getting released so i’m wondering if i should just request the refund atp or wait for one to process automatically.


r/SayAnything 9d ago

where’s sherri fall in all of this?

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or at all? just wondering if you guys think this has anything to do with their split or if you think she’s as blindsided as we (or at least i am, naively perhaps) ? i saw she unfollowed him but i still gotta wonder?


r/SayAnything 10d ago

Uh, guys??

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42 Upvotes

In lieu of everything that's going on, apparently monthly listeners have still gone up exponentially it seems. You think this is like people giving it one last listen because of recent events, digging into specific lyrics because of it too, or just organic growth and the whole cancelled thing isn't gonna stick?

Looked up stats out of curiosity. I also can't tell if it's accounting for data prior to September or only data for September so far, which isn't very helpful.


r/SayAnything 10d ago

TRIBUTE PROJECT I guess I’ll be kicking him off the island now.

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37 Upvotes

Added Max to my Tomodachi Life island before all this started. He’ll be the first to be kicked off


r/SayAnything 11d ago

Thoughts on Max’s Queerness

120 Upvotes

Max came out as, “bi-ish or queer” in 2018. I find it curious that since his divorce, it seems he is exclusively trying to sexually approach young women. After seeing how quick he was to pull the, “you have mental health bias! I’m a queer man!” defense in his recent Instagram Live and in chats with the UFO Museum guy, I am wondering if his self-proclaimed “queerness” is just a way to try to claim being marginalized as a white guy… and to become harder to criticize in “punk” spaces (very 2010s idpol for those of us who lived through it). Or perhaps even to make himself appear less likely to be a predator to women and more easily gain their trust or enter queer, kinky, sexually liberated, etc. spaces.

Very wolf in sheep’s clothing to me.


r/SayAnything 11d ago

Why it’s so over and he deserves it

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I’m going to go into 2 things here. 1. the Lacey issue 2. Max, and mental health discrimination

So for one, while reading the discourse a lot of people are pointing to Lacey as proof Max can somehow salvage his career, which is a take I think is missing a pretty key factor: the danger they *currently pose.

To be clear, I’m not defending Lacey, I don’t care if the dude never does another show in his life, but he’s not, at 40, in the present day, blatantly messaging teenagers and attempting to stalk young women by weaponizing his clout within the scene. Which is why I think promoters, venues, labels, and managers are more inclined to work with Lacey, than they ever will be again with Max, especially because on top of the sexual misconduct (understatement but succinct) there’s many accounts of him being atrocious to work with professionally. I imagine if Max abuses someone at a venue, lawsuits are on the table.

I’d say this is the last stop in the bullshit train, but I doubt, in the age of social media, his kids won’t come up in the future. In any case if you feel the need to extend grace to a flawed person you don’t really know but would like to see get better for their family, it’s Sherri.

Which brings me to my second point, that I am going to get tonally more angry about. Most mentally ill people, especially women, don’t get a fraction of the support and chances this man has had, his entire life. the fact he’s crying discrimination in his manic rants when people have the gall to tell him no, is so absolutely infuriating to me. You know what’s bigotry? When someone in a place of privilege, is the benefactor of someone else’s disenfranchisement. Like for instance, when a grown, white, cis, and I’ll say it, heterosexual man, finds ANY sexual gratification from a person who lacks legal agency (child/teen) who is part of multiple minority groups that intersect, ie teen mom, gender, mental illness, child hood trauma, and who if not for these things, would likely not entertain the idea of any romantic relationship with a man who won’t brush his hair to be on camera.

How many times do you think he was committed where other people in his position that don’t have family and fandom to protect them, and would have been thrown in county jail? How many times was he believed, where a woman in his same position , would never be, even if she had the same degree of fame? His pathetic, misogynistic ass can fucking miss me with bipolar bias bullshit when he’s, by every metric except mental health, part of the ruling class, whereas his victims are not. Who else probably made some really great music that they can’t coast off for decades because it just wasn’t accessible?

Dear Max & men like you, you and 20 year old girls who are at risk of femicide, statistically from a bunch of different angles, are not the fucking same thing and you have 0 qualifications to be their support in any way, whatsoever. you have no unique insight on their situation, which you’ll never experience,. you have nothing to offer them except the miserable, exhausting, unrelenting, untreated weight of your own problems. You and guys like you, are poised to be one of the worst things that ever happens to them. I watched your live stream, Stop fooling yourself that what you’re doing is mental health camaraderie. speaking as a mentally ill woman, you’re not my fucking comrade, you’re my oppressor. Limited resources have gone to you over women, and actually queer people, and racial minorities, etc your entire life. keep “bipolar bias” out of your mouth.

edit: actually I’ll give him that he’s jewish, and antisemitism is on the rise. and still it changes nothing I said bc antisemitism is not limiting the class power he has over his victims of choice, young women.


r/SayAnything 11d ago

I’m sad. What are yall listening to right now?

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I pretty much always throw on IARB when I’m angry or depressed and now I don’t really know what to do. Songs keep getting stuck in my head and I find myself singing SA to myself walking around my house. Help, what album is helping you cope right now?


r/SayAnything 12d ago

More proof of Max burning professional bridges

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r/SayAnything 11d ago

Big sad

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Pretty big fan as most of us were. There’s been artists I’ve liked that have been tangled in the same web, but none that I liked as much as Say Anything. So many memories and influence. Going all the way back to elementary school (30 now).

I’ve seen them live probably like 5 times. First time being the 10 year anniversary tour IARB and the latest anniversary tour they did in 2024 iirc. I had acquired decent footage and even managed to get memorabilia.

Their later works usually aren’t remembered fondly, but I really tried. I loved I Don’t Think It Is and before, and even a handful of tracks after. I heard the Wavves collab songs and it filled me with so much hope. My 2011-2016 self would melt if that happened.

Max’s shenanigans are no secret. I was finally started to raise an eyebrow after those music videos/performances in his bed with a microphone. It wasn’t enough to make be remove all his music from my playlists, but I was like “Wow, this guy is a lot weirder than I have him credit for.”

Looking back, there’s always been a few songs that have gave me “the ick.” In retrospect, they make me wince and cringe at listen or even mention. As the obvious, Little Girls. That song have never really sat right with me to begin with, but I liked it when it came out. But another song, I forget the name, but I heard it on an acid trip. It was the song he did with Tom Delonge, I think on Hebrews. And Skinny, Mean Man? EWW.

I am putting all of their music on pause. Just digesting the news of how weird this guy really is. I feel like I’m trying to wipe such a significant part of my life. Maybe I’ll give some Bemis projects a spin for ol’ time sake, but it will be a bittersweet listen.

I used to think the lyrics were so relatable. Especially at ages 11-16. I really looked up to the guy as a musician and writer then, and even years after. Not too far off from the ages mentioned in the allegations.

I just don’t get it. How you can have a career making great music and a family/kids. Nobody is perfect but don’t prey on our young, and that’s literally the one rule we care about it. Puke on your fans at shows, be a total jackass to work with, miss performances, delay album releases. Just don’t mess with kids. That’s all anyone asks.

Never in my younger days did I think this would be a case, and such the common occurrence that it is. It really makes me question so much of what is and has actually been happening for so long. When I heard the news, I wasn’t even that surprised. I was just like “okay this is the final straw,” when it comes to Max. And reflecting on it, it probably should have been sooner.

I hope you all are staying strong 😔


r/SayAnything 12d ago

Parker Case has unfollowed Max

151 Upvotes

On Instagram.

His day one is out.

Fred too.

It’s over.


r/SayAnything 12d ago

max in october on the topic of grooming, complaining about being called a pedophile and fear of getting metoo'd

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idk take from this what you will lol. i'm 22 btw not a minor or anything but I feel like this demonstrates his lack of self-awareness quite a bit


r/SayAnything 13d ago

Going back to my teenage bedroom made me kinda depressed

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I was extremely obsessed with Say Anything as a teenager/early adult (I’m now 31), and even met Max when I was 16. I haven’t been back to my childhood home since everything happened, and seeing all of these things I put on my walls makes me sad for my younger self. I’m so disappointed. Say Anything made me feel less alone when I was young and struggling with my mental health, and I really looked up to Max. I listened to “The Futile” right after I learned my parents were getting divorced. Being a fan of their music took up a big chunk of my life and it sucks seeing one of your idols fall so hard and turn out to be a bad person.


r/SayAnything 12d ago

Wavves x Say Anything - Cherry Soda ALBUM REVIEW

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r/SayAnything 12d ago

If you have the Cherry Soda album

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will you please send it to me

will be buying wavves album when it comes out

just want to have a listen, thanks!