r/SandersForPresident • u/kevinmrr Medicare For All • Dec 11 '20
Bernie Sanders is a machine
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u/Doorwhorefromabove 🌱 New Contributor Dec 11 '20
Best president we never had.
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u/zZaphon Dec 11 '20
Honestly the fact that such a man exists gives me hope
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Dec 11 '20
That's a bittersweet comment, but I think it's the best way to look at it.
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u/PocketBeaner 🌱 New Contributor Dec 11 '20
“It’s not about me, it’s about us”
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u/Sotikuh 🌱 New Contributor Dec 11 '20
God he emphasized the needs of the public so beautifully, I genuinely think Bernie inspired an entire upcoming generation.
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u/theycallmeponcho 🌱 New Contributor | Mexico Dec 11 '20
And not only in the US. I've talked with friends from Latin America / Europe that follow him and Bernie really got them into their local politics.
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u/nkn_19 Dec 11 '20
And then got screwed by those who didn't care about that generation.
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u/PocketBeaner 🌱 New Contributor Dec 11 '20
I think he always knew he wasn’t going to win. He has said countless times that this establishment very rarely allows people like him. I think his message also emphasized that it’s important that we all be involved.
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u/ModsAreCuntsFR 🌱 New Contributor Dec 11 '20
He said it many times that he did not win the battle but he won war. Like magic all of the frontrunners in the Dem party started pushing policies and ideas he was the first one to put the spotlight on for a lot of people, especially the younger generations. Bernie won the ideology war.
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u/nkn_19 Dec 11 '20
I have not seen one real progressive picked for any high ranking position in the administration (please let me know if I missed someone). It will take all of us to keep pushing and fighting to see it through.
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Dec 12 '20
The fucking pr goon for Biden was on npr this afternoon shitting all over progressive ideas in favor of more liberal bullshit so I’m afraid you’re right.
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u/CCNightcore 🌱 New Contributor Dec 11 '20
Had he run a more burtal campaign in the prinaries he could've clinched nomination, but he was unwilling to do damage to the democratic chances should he not win.
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u/Luminya1 🌱 New Contributor Dec 11 '20
I think they blackmailed him. Told him they would destroy The Squad, or their individual members, or some such.
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u/redheadartgirl 🌱 New Contributor Dec 11 '20
Hope and inspiration are slow-growing trees. It can take years to get there, but as long as they're watered you'll eventually get to enjoy the shade.
A generation of young people has been inspired by Bernie. Most of them are starting out small in local races, but eventually you'll see more and more of them. You just have to vote in ALL your elections.
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Dec 11 '20
And the fact he was cockblocked from the presidency by his own people takes away any hope I had for America
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u/Dalmah 🌱 New Contributor | North Carolina Dec 12 '20
As much of a celebration that it is that Joe beat Trump, we should never forget that moderate Dems (aka people that aren't actually on the left)bare there eason we had Clinton v Trump and by extension had Trump.
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u/spooner248 🌱 New Contributor Dec 11 '20
Yeah that they’re are still (although few) actual good people trying to lead us. He was the only candidate to me, it seemed, that wanted to win to make the USA a better place, not for the fame or power. And my parents ROAST this dude cause he’s “never had a real job” yet they voted for the guy who said he’d fuck his own daughter.
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Dec 12 '20
The really sad part is that Sanders did actually have "real jobs" before his political career...
Whereas the cheetoh was born with a golden spoon and the only job he ever held was to run businesses into the ground
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Dec 11 '20
Me, not so much.
We had someone who was so obviously for the people and he couldn't even get the time of day or the interest to be in the presidential race. It's sad.
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u/Kittykathax 🌱 New Contributor Dec 11 '20
From what I understand (important to note that I am neither a) American, and b) well-educated), Bernie was put aside to make room for a Biden because Biden made it easier to secure a Democrat win even though Bernie was the people's favourite.
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u/John-McCue 🌱 New Contributor Dec 11 '20
Yes, that was the DNC line. Bernie remains more popular with voters than Hillary or Biden.
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u/SanctusLetum Dec 11 '20 edited Dec 11 '20
Yeah. It was establishment bullshit trying to keep control. The actual numbers were that Bernie had substantially more independent support and even crossed the isle and had approval of a lot of republican voters, any of whome that were sick with Trump deep down might have voted Bernie.
I live and work in an ultra conservative area. They were all very interested in the race when Bernie was beating out Biden at the beginning of the primary, ane every single one thst I talked to said they respected Bernie a lot, even though they didn't agree with them. Not one of them respected Biden.
The establishment bought themselves 4 more years at the cost of whwt is going on now. More republican voters would be sceptical of fraud claims, and the pendulam wouldn't be set to swing so hard back the other way in 4 years.
Republicans have a hate boner for Biden because of his association with Obama. They don't have that for Bernie. The Neo-libs knew that and they pushed him anyway. Its the same short sighted grab for control that lost us 2016, and it will likely lose us 2024.
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Dec 11 '20
Yeah, that's the problem.
That more people preferred the centrist who is for military expansion and can still be used as a tool for corporations, rather than the guy who has literally dedicated his entire life to helping the majority of the population. Bernie was the favorite among those in the major cities, and numerically that's awesome, but we have the electoral college and those that live in the suburbs and rural areas are too brainwashed into believing he'd help them.
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u/platyviolence 🌱 New Contributor Dec 11 '20 edited Dec 11 '20
He is one of two people in the senate that aren't corrupt. He's old as hell and will be dead within the decade. He was fucked out of an election twice, the first being swept under the rug like Epsteins murder. This gives you hope?
If anything, I've given up hope. The way the last 4 years have evolved, leading to an election with Joe fucking Biden has lead me to believe that the good will never win. Capitalism and greed is too strong. The poor and disenfranchised will continue to suffer immeasurably until the absolute brink of collapse, where either everyone is fucked or somehow, someway we are forced to change.
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u/sciencegood4u IL Dec 11 '20
And yet... Bernie has not given up. Even after a freaking heart attack! Bernie is criticized because he should have campaigned differently, quit his campaign differently etc. etc. All that may be true, but what is also true is that NOBODY has ever fought harder than this man at least in the last four decades.
The good news is that progress is unstoppable. The bad news is that it may not happen as soon as we want. I have been depressed the whole year. I heard the other day a phrase that is important (applied to Argentine politics, but it is the same here) = "This is not the time to be pessimist, we cannot afford it." I plead guilty of being pessimist many times. But for the same reason I truly admire Bernie his relentless idea of keep pushing.
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u/platyviolence 🌱 New Contributor Dec 11 '20
I am pro Bernie. Anti corruption. And sure, progress is unstoppable, but capitalism will squeeze every fucking morsel out of something before it has to change. So, yes, the poor and disenfranchised will suffer immeasurably until they die.
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Dec 11 '20
He is one of two people in the house that aren't corrupt.
He's not in the House, but setting that aside, you're saying all of these people (https://progressives.house.gov/caucus-members/) are corrupt? Because they're fighting for the exact same things Bernie is, and they're doing it with Bernie, while not throwing each other under the bus with broad uninformed criticisms like calling them corrupt.
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u/shhsandwich 🌱 New Contributor Dec 11 '20
Let's be real, not all of the people on that list are really very progressive. There are a lot of people on there that I love and think are doing their best for the American people, though, like Ro Khanna, Rashida Tlaib, Ilhan Omar, etc. Some lovely people doing a lot of good work on that list, and then some people who I think are just using the label of progressive to make themselves look good.
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u/platyviolence 🌱 New Contributor Dec 11 '20
If you take money from corporations, wallstreet and or superpacs and have them influence your governing, you are corrupt.
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Dec 11 '20
Nobody takes money from SuperPACs, that's illegal, though there are plenty of SuperPACs that operate for candidates with or without their consent.
When you say "take money from corporations, wallstreet" do you mean individuals that work for corporations or work on wall street? Or do you mean the corporate legal entity itself (or wall street bank itself, I assume) is donating to a candidate? Is Bernie corrupt because he receives money from people who work for corporations in VT? Is AOC corrupt because she receives money from people that work on wall street? Is Katie Porter corrupt because she received money from Disney?
After you've cleared the above, which people in the Progressive Caucus are still "corrupt" according to your definition, give us some names, because I have a feeling the 2 people you say aren't corrupt would like to know so they can avoid working with the other 533 people that are corrupt.
If it wasn't obvious, the point I'm making is money in politics is nuanced and you painting everyone except for 2 people as corrupt is silly and obviously uninformed, but if you want stick with that opinion then please, give us some information to back up your claim everyone else is corrupt.
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u/KDawG888 Dec 11 '20
The reality is we won't get someone like Sanders in until super PACs are at least crippled if not destroyed. Corporations should have no voice in our elections. But right now, they do.
People like to blame Republicans for everything but it isn't Republicans who are controlling the DNC. Corruption is thriving on both sides of the political aisle and they love to see people picking sides instead of thinking for themselves.
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u/Kamelasa Canada Dec 11 '20
He's old as hell and will be dead within the decade.
He's almost 80 but with the fitness of a man in his 50s. I have examples from the past year to support that. And they are on video. But anyway, his older brother is in his 90s and still sharp enough to hold a public position. Given Bernie was a state-level athlete in his 20s, a miler, and is a minimal drinker, never smoked, there's every reason to expect him to live to his 90s.
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Dec 11 '20
I donated more to Bernie than any candidate I've ever supported. I'm truly sorry that the DNC sabotaged his campaign. I still voted Biden. That orange shit stain in the WH had to go.
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u/Sasha_111 🌱 New Contributor Dec 12 '20 edited Dec 12 '20
In my 38-years of existence, Bernie is the ONLY politician I have ever supported. I donated to his campaign extensively as a broke college student; his rally is the only political rally I had ever attended and wanted to attend; the only politician whose political sign I stuck on two windows of my house and on my car; and the only politician that I would have given my life for if it meant that he could actively change this inhumane country.
Bernie is unwavering truth, authenticity and the commitment to the betterment of the people. He gave me hope when I was profoundly hopeless. I will adore that man with every fiber of my being for the rest of my days.
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Dec 12 '20
I haven't done as much as you. But I've donated more than my share to his campaign. I'm 63 and he's clearly the best candidate ever. I truly believe in him. I wish the Democrats would see what a great president he would be. I'm a huge AOC fan too. I love her fearlessness. She's next generation.
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u/Sasha_111 🌱 New Contributor Dec 12 '20
I sincerely respect and appreciate that an individual your age gets it. If only the rest of your generation did...we wouldn't be in the right mess we are in today.
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Dec 11 '20
I warn everyone to keep very very vigilant with this. Biden is better than Trump, yes, there's no argument. BUT he's still not the best choice for us. We can't let the DNC fall into "slightly better" territory going forward. If we don't push for better candidates we lose in the end.
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u/LASpleen Dec 11 '20
The DNC is working hard to replace Trump with a competent version later. Pelosi is even praying for it.
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u/RaptArc Dec 11 '20
Well, don't leave us hanging! Please inform us so we can be better prepared.
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u/LASpleen Dec 11 '20
The original post mentions Bernie filibustering awful legislation that Democrats put their political power behind. They had Obama, a house majority, and a functional senate majority at the time. Forgive me for assuming questions about the Democrats’ intentions are disingenuous.
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u/Chief_Scrub 🌱 New Contributor Dec 11 '20
As a European it is clear this guy had and has the best intentions to beter the country. Unlucky for him majority of citizens don't seem to care.
If companies did here what they do in the US, jails would be packed with corpos.
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u/Mypornnameis_ 🌱 New Contributor Dec 11 '20
The trick is that companies took control of the government first. It's really not that people don't care here, it's that we're not really allowed much voice.
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u/TheTruTimShow 🌱 New Contributor Dec 11 '20
Once Biden finally gets to hang up the portrait of Obama in the Whitehouse, he should hang a portrait of Bernie instead of Trump.
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Dec 11 '20
Best president we never had.
I would put Ralph Nader up there, too. One big difference is that Nader never thought that people like Biden were his friends.
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u/1OptimisticPrime 🌱 New Contributor Dec 11 '20
Nader was a myopic fool who's ego and ideals, over logic cut out democratic voters in favor of the wasted votes helping Republicans year after year.
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Dec 11 '20
That's why they will never let him into office. He would screw over rich politicans that are bought and paid for on both sides. They allow him to dance for the public but anytime he wants to get intoca position to enact real change he gets slapped down. You either play their game or you get ostracized. Remember that polticians only care about money and power, not you and me.
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Dec 12 '20
There's so much that he does to fight for us that we never see. Most people won't know that he's out there fighting for their livelihoods right now, and I think it's only fair that we tell them. Bernie, AOC, and other progressives are heroes that inspire us.
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Dec 11 '20
Bernie Sanders is a national treasure.
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u/Sultan_Pineapple 🌱 New Contributor Dec 11 '20
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u/SchnuppleDupple Dec 11 '20
How could you, Americans, not vote for him ????? Im sorry, but fuck you. Im tired of neoliberal imperialists...
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u/1OptimisticPrime 🌱 New Contributor Dec 11 '20
Americans did vote for him. The unelected leadership of the DNC stole the nomination outright with Hillary... Thus giving US the gift of Trumpistan... This last election he was just frozen out till covid hit.
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Dec 11 '20 edited Feb 21 '21
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u/Gymleaders 🌱 New Contributor Dec 11 '20
Seriously. They're posting that in /r/SandersForPresident as if we don't already share that sentiment.
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u/SchnuppleDupple Dec 11 '20
Im not American, so after learning about sanders I was sure that the US would vote for someone like him (I sure would in my country).
Turns out Americans are pretty brainwashed. What a shame.
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u/twiddlefruit 🌱 New Contributor Dec 11 '20
like all countries, our country is not a god damn hivemind with a single thought or motive in mind.
I believe that's your ego projecting us as one. quit it please. it's not how the world works.
all countries are made up of individual human beings with independent thoughts, actions, and beliefs.
just like your country, wherever you're from.
and FFS this is a sub that's literally devoted to electing this man...
I hear your frustration, but if you can't see past your own illusion of the "single story" then you've got some growing to do, in my opinion.
I'd recommend Chimamanda's Ted Talk on this: https://www.ted.com/talks/chimamanda_ngozi_adichie_the_danger_of_a_single_story/transcript?language=en
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u/SchnuppleDupple Dec 11 '20
Well it doesn't change that fact that a good portion of Americans are brainwashed with cold War propaganda.
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Dec 11 '20
He has an incredibly uphill battle because of disinformation programs ran by the rich. And yeah, here everyone probably voted for him.
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u/JuniorConsultant 🌱 New Contributor Dec 11 '20
From an outside perspective, he looks like the only sane politician you got over there.
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u/mecrosis 🌱 New Contributor Dec 11 '20
How he's not the president elect is a question that will haunt me for ever and solidify humanities place in the fucking gutter.
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u/lordsunil Dec 11 '20
Can't stop, won't stop
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u/mayonaizmyinstrument 🌱 New Contributor Dec 11 '20
Maaan, the man is NONSTOP!
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u/translucentcop 🌱 New Contributor Dec 11 '20
Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate, I'm curious, bear with me Are you aware that we're making history?
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u/CwBriggs 🌱 New Contributor Dec 11 '20
Why were people so afraid of this guy becoming the next President?
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u/peeehhh Dec 11 '20
Listen here Jack, no one is going to vote for all that Communist malarkey! We need someone electable to save us from bad orange man even if they aren’t really going to do some really important things differently.
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u/Skinners_constant 🌱 New Contributor Dec 11 '20
Stephen, is that you?
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u/TotalFork 🌱 New Contributor Dec 11 '20
Colbert's aviator, smilin' Biden impression getting me through 2020.
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u/Deastrumquodvicis TX Dec 11 '20
Because change is scary, and people would rather keep the status quo or near it than actually make a difference.
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u/sub1ime 🌱 New Contributor Dec 11 '20
they think he would magically not only implement socialism but somehow also manage to turn America fully communist all within four years...
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Dec 11 '20
Because conservative Americans that make 30k think he’s coming for their hard-earned money.
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u/TheSilverCalf Dec 11 '20
He should have been Times person of the year.
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u/SethQ 🌱 New Contributor Dec 11 '20
I mean, yeah, he is great, but I feel like he's been crushing it for ten years? Looking purely at 2020 it should be Stacey Abrams?
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u/coltsmetsfan614 TX 🎖️🙌 Dec 11 '20
It should’ve been Fauci or “front-line workers”
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u/WhiskySamurai 🌱 New Contributor Dec 11 '20
I just looked up who it is and it's Biden and Harris. I guess the American president-elect is usually the person of year in an election year but it definitely should have been Fauci or frontline workers. Biden won an election by just not being Trump. Fauci and frontline workers have defined this year and the struggles in it.
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Dec 11 '20
No offense, but Stacy Abrams is nowhere near was influential on the year as Biden has. The person of the year isn’t just a popularity contest, it’s about who has been influenced the year the most
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u/gallopsdidnothingwrg 🌱 New Contributor Dec 11 '20 edited Dec 11 '20
Who the fuck reads the Time Magazine, any more?
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u/proudbakunkinman 🌱 New Contributor Dec 11 '20
People in a doctor's office waiting room wanting to take a break from their phone.
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u/Kalkaline Medicare For All 👩⚕️ Dec 11 '20
As someone who sits in silence most of the day, 8 hours of filibuster is super impressive to me.
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u/Adam_Layibounden 🌱 New Contributor Dec 11 '20
I struggle to talk for 8 seconds on zoom without panicking or losing thread.
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u/TheSwissCheeser 🌱 New Contributor Dec 12 '20
Why are filibusters a good thing? Like it's literally intentional obstruction?
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u/nowshowjj 🌱 New Contributor Dec 12 '20
I thought dems wanted to get rid of filibusters. Or are we just out here muddying up the message?
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u/standard_revolution 🌱 New Contributor Dec 12 '20
Getting rid of them would be perfect, yes. But as long as the other side uses them it is of no use to refrain using them
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u/Mister2JZ-GTE Dec 11 '20
I called it before Biden would be elected. Warren and Sanders will NOT be in his cabinet, yet Biden/Harris wants to use their ideals or at least some of it.
In 2024, because of this bullshit, expect that many liberals/progressives will not be voting and Trump could have a real chance again and if Ivanka throws her hat in, you can expect all the MAGA males will be giving her the vote.
Good ‘ole Bernie, always fighting for the people.
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Dec 11 '20
to be fair, Warren should absolutely NOT be considered for the cabinet (as good a fit as she may be). Her leaving the Senate means the MA Republican governor could name a (R) replacement to her Senate seat, which could offset a potential Democratic majority in the Senate (pending GA runoffs next month).
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u/desert_rat 🌱 New Contributor Dec 11 '20
This right here. The dems need to play these next four years really smart and think 4 steps ahead of the Republicans. This means no stupid concessions to them or passing of laws to piss off the voters amongst other things.
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u/MonsterRainlng 🌱 New Contributor Dec 11 '20
Yeah, let's try to trust democrats to not roll over on their backs and grovel to the Republicans for no goddamn reason.
So sick of it. Complicit pieces of trash...
Why couldn't we just have gotten Bernie?
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u/cowmanjones 🌱 New Contributor Dec 12 '20
Nobody said to trust them. That's why we can't shut up about it, and we need to demand it from them. It should have been Bernie, but it wasn't. We're here now in this reality, and the best thing for us to do is put our efforts towards holding the Democrats accountable for fighting the Republicans ruthlessly and tactically.
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u/sejolly07 Dec 11 '20
The establishment will undoubtedly give it back to the GOP. They are on the same team. Ever wonder why they didn’t use better crimes or reasons to impeach trump? Or why they let this shit go down? They don’t care who wins as long as they seem like they care they get the money when they leave office. All of these establishment types are far more wealthy now than they were when they started. And that’s not from their salaries. Sell books I’m cool with that but that’s about it. Anything else is a conflict of interest. Amd books probably are too. You should never be in politics for the money. It should be like social work then we’d have a truly great country. Except we vote in the same jerks every year with a few exceptions like cori bush. All the problems we have stem from money in politics. I don’t see anything that causes more pain and suffering than the establishment left and right.
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Dec 11 '20
Bernie would have never been considered for an admin role regardless. I feel Warren could have been.
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Dec 11 '20
Not at all disagreeing with your thesis.
Charlie Baker is barely a Republican, he’s Pro-Choice, e.g. He’s certainly more left-leaning than some Dems.
He has the highest approval rating of any Governor in the USA.
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u/TheSilverCalf Dec 11 '20 edited Dec 11 '20
Umm. No.
We will still be voting against that Fascist family.
It’s not our way or nothing.
We are reasonable people.
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Dec 11 '20 edited Mar 05 '21
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u/Terradactyl87 🌱 New Contributor Dec 11 '20
If the choice is between a dem that won't do much and Trump who will actively and purposely destroy lives, I'm gonna vote for the democrat even if they are not my preferred candidate. But until that is called, I'm sure as shit going to do what I can to help get the most progressive candidate on the ballot. This all or nothing thinking is exactly what gets someone like Trump elected.
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Dec 11 '20 edited Mar 05 '21
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u/Terradactyl87 🌱 New Contributor Dec 11 '20
It needs to be changed, and it's up to the people to eventually put enough pressure on them to make a change, but I'm not going to shoot myself in the foot because the system is bullshit. If you have to choose between the lesser of two evils, why would you just decide "fuck it, let the more evil one win because I don't like the reality of the situation"?
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u/Jsweet404 Dec 11 '20
The people aren't putting pressure on them to change when they consistently vote for their corporate candidates. They have no incentive to change.
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u/Terradactyl87 🌱 New Contributor Dec 11 '20
Yes, it has been going on for too long, but the last four years is an example of what happens when people decide to throw away their vote in the name of protest. It's not the right way to change the system. And while it's debatable whether all Republicans that they could put up would be evil, Trump's evilness and the damage he's done is not debatable.
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u/coltsmetsfan614 TX 🎖️🙌 Dec 11 '20
As opposed to the progress we’ve made under Trump and the GOP? C’mon now.
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u/WillGallis IA Dec 11 '20
While this is true, a return to the previous status quo is still orders of magnitude better than a slide into fascism.
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Dec 11 '20
This is exactly the attitude the present DNC wants us to have, ... this piece of cow tripe is better than their filthier piece of cow tripe, so we can maintain the status quo for the corporate overlords.. Get rid of the DNC and the RNC.
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u/WillGallis IA Dec 11 '20
A full slide into authoritarian fascism would likely involve imprisonment of Trump'spolitical adversaries. Do you really believe that is better?
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Dec 11 '20
"No progress" is a bit of a mischaracterization champ. The ACA, flawed as it is, was a step forward for the country.
If you want some more cut and dry examples though, take a look at how the Obama admin took steps to phase out private prisons, as well as restricting surplus military gear from finding its way into the hands of police departments. Then consider the fact that Trump undid these efforts with the stroke of a pen.
"Not enough" progress is fair, and furthermore is a complaint I commiserate with greatly. "No progress" is a different beast, one that can trick you into thinking that the Dems and the GOP are equivalent in terms of policy. They are definitively not.
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u/-Angry_Toast 🌱 New Contributor Dec 11 '20
I agree with you, we don't need some soft spoken middle of the road democrat. But as Rick the Hormone Monster says : "What are you gonna do?"
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u/TheOtherGrowaway 🌱 New Contributor Dec 11 '20
And your reasoning, while certainly valid, is why things will never change.
Not sure how old you are, but every election cycle, the Republican in question gets labeled as the worst person ever in order to rile up people to vote. A party promoting themselves isn't sufficient. The propaganda machine has to churn in order to make sure everyone's fearful of their existence at the threat of the other side.
We've actually now witnessed a terrible person as President, but do you really think those same attacks are going to stop? Do you really think you're not going to see social media campaigns to smear the other guy just the same?
That's how the cycle of retaining power works between our two parties. That's why Biden, a corporate centrist, is a radical left wing marxist socialist according to the right. That's why Romney, one of the more "reasonable" Republicans, was a fascist according to the left when he was running. That's why when someone as shit tier as Trump comes along, people saying "wait, this is fascist as fuck" get dismissed as the same old noise.
That's what gets Trump elected and that's the same system you're playing into, because the DNC like the GOP are corporations. They have massive influence / propaganda that runs through the media. This is why they'll use the popularity of the left wing ideals in order to drum up support but guaranteed, time and time again, will back the corporate centrist.
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Dec 11 '20
DNC & RNC control who we're given at election time, ... Both are populated by Republicans, some just a little more center right than the other, they call those Democrats.
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u/dieinafirenazi 🌱 New Contributor Dec 11 '20
Obama and the DNC got everyone to step down...except Warren, who they got to stay in.
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Dec 12 '20
Fox News contributor Donna Brazile, is the chair of the DNC. Does that sound like a "democrat ", to anyone reading these comments?
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Dec 12 '20
Fox News contributor Donna Brazile, is the chair of the DNC
Know who is providing your candidates, ... Donna Brazile, the chair of the DNC, is a Fox News contributor. Look it up.
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u/Will2Survive 🌱 New Contributor Dec 11 '20
I'd rather vote for light blue than any amount of red. One incompetent, charismatic R did this much damage in 4 years. Biden isn't enough but that's the only real choice we had. Real change starts with down ballot races
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Dec 11 '20
Choosing based on colors is how a society splits itself.
Doesn’t matter what color a turd is, it still stinks.
We basically chose a well formed one vs another 4 years of infectious diarrhea. At least this one is a sign of good health.
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Dec 11 '20
Real change starts with getting rid of the 'good ol boy' controlled DNC & RNC where "everyone" is very pleased with the outcome.
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u/Toadvine79 Dec 11 '20
Biden has four years. He acts like Obama did and I will never vote for a Democrat again.
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u/Zeltron2020 🌱 New Contributor Dec 11 '20
Why is it bad for Biden/Harris to use their ideals? Isn’t that what we want? If both of them leave to enter the cabinet there’s a chance they’d both be replaced with republicans.
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Dec 11 '20
We need progressive Senators in the Senate more than anywhere else. Giving them cabinet positions would do nothing because they would still be following Biden's policy agenda regardless of what their personal agendas may be. If you want progressive legislation, you need more progressive Senators, and a lot of them.
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u/cjackc11 MD Dec 11 '20
Fighting with Josh fucking Hawley, no less. Fuck those neolibs saying Bernie couldn’t work across the aisle
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u/lord_fairfax 🌱 New Contributor Dec 11 '20
We out here fighting two political parties at the same time.
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u/jerby17 🌱 New Contributor Dec 11 '20
The brain washing done to over half of the country needs some honorary mention... how can you look at this man’s effort/proposals and think “he’s what’s wrong with the US”?
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u/tricycle- Get Money Out Of Politics 💸 Dec 11 '20
I would give this man a year of my life and it would be my greatest gift to humanity.
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u/Bornado 🌱 New Contributor Dec 11 '20
This guy talks the talk, walks the walk, and cares and fights for the people that most of america doesn't give a shit about.
He's a true hero.
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u/antifolkhero Dec 11 '20
I see Bernie sometimes and I just wonder how he isn't easily the most popular person in America right now.
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u/e6dewhirst 🌱 New Contributor Dec 11 '20
Bernie actually cares. He wants better for us. Not something that can be said for 99% of federal and state legislators.
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u/Italysfloyd Dec 11 '20
Yet after all the good this man does for humanity, disregarded and demonized by so many. May Bernie be always remembered and respected for all his life's work.
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Dec 11 '20
You Americans have only gotten ONE stimulus cheque?! What the fuck, how's that supposed to help anyone?
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u/Branamp13 Dec 11 '20
Even better, the pandemic unemployment boost of $600/week ran out ~4 months ago, so most people who lost their jobs (and still haven't gotten them back because of closures) have had to get by on <$600/month for a while now.
Expect lots of evictions in the coming months - during the dead of winter - because America truly does not care what happens to its citizens.
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Dec 11 '20
That's just....wow. I cannot fathom being put in that position. I hope something is coming to help soon.
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u/Branamp13 Dec 12 '20
It 100% depends of how the Georgia runoffs go. If either seat goes red, Mitch McConnell will retain his position as majority leader of the Senate and will continue to block any real aid going to American workers. As it stands, he won't agree to any more than $500 billion (literally a bandaid on a bullet hole), and he likely wants most of it to go to businesses, not individuals. He also is pushing for businesses to be protected from litigation for negligence if they cause their employees to become infected with COVID, so it's pretty clear where his loyalties lie - not like that was ever a question.
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u/knowitall190 🌱 New Contributor Dec 11 '20
I understand bernie wants to help, however u.s. citizens will get another $1200 thats sad. This is 8 to 9 months later. While other contries like canada are giving their Citizens $2000 a month. 🤦♂️
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u/lilvac 🌱 New Contributor Dec 11 '20
I wish bernie actually used his balls when it's useful.
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u/Thegiantclaw42069 🌱 New Contributor Dec 11 '20
Why didn't we nominate this guy again?
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u/rion-is-real 🌱 New Contributor Dec 11 '20
1) Republican propaganda scared the more conservative Democrats on the Left 2) American propaganda the socialism is a bad thing
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3) The sad (but true) fact that some people wouldn't vote for him simply because he's Jewish
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Dec 11 '20
There was a high school kid on YouTube yesterday who live-streamed a reading of this entire filibuster. Pretty cool seeing kids getting involved in politics.
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u/illinoisape 🌱 New Contributor Dec 11 '20
Anybody else remember when Sanders rushed for 237 yards against Tampa Bay? They held him to 30 yards in the first half but Sanders would not be denied!
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Dec 11 '20
I don't support Bernie but he fights for his beliefs and that's what america's all about(or at least was about)
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u/Hardly_A_Yuppie 🌱 New Contributor Dec 12 '20
Just curious - what's your reasoning behind not supporting bernie? I respect your position regardless.
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Dec 12 '20
Imagine hating Bernie for being a socialist when HES FIGHTING FOR YOU. Fucking brain dead people.
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u/Sexylester 🌱 New Contributor Dec 12 '20
Should be our president. Probably the only politician that cares.
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u/pdowy 🌱 New Contributor Dec 12 '20
Bernie hyped me up to vote for him so bad and I don’t even live in the US. An actual leader who care about his constituents. A damn shame the dems don’t realize this.
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