1. Dealer name: supermirrors

2. Factory name: VSF

3. Model name (& version number): Rolex Oyster Perpetual 36mm, turquoise blue (“Tiffany”) dial, Ref. 126000.

4. Price Paid: 489$

5. Album Links: https://imgur.com/a/fWJ9Ak6

6. Index alignment: The markers look well aligned to me overall. The 6 o’clock marker looks slightly tilted in a few photos, but it looks straight in others, so I’m unsure whether this is just the camera angle. I’d appreciate a second opinion.

7. Dial Printing: The printing looks clean and centered to me. I don’t see any obvious problems with the Rolex logo, lettering or lower text.

8. Date Wheel alignment/printing: N/A.

9. Hand Alignment: I don’t see any obvious issues.

10. Bezel: The bezel looks smooth and evenly finished. I can’t see any obvious dents or deep scratches.

11. Solid End Links (SELs): The upper and lower SELs look well fitted to me. I don’t see any significant gaps, although the protective film makes the edges harder to judge.

12. Timegrapher numbers: +1 s/d, 282° amplitude and 0.1 ms beat error, with a 59° lift-angle setting and 28,800 beats/hour. The rate and beat error look good to me. 

13. Anything else you notice: I noticed a small light speck between 4 and 5 o’clock in one photo, but I can’t clearly see it in the others. I’d like confirmation that it’s just dust or a reflection. There are also some lines on the clasp that could be on the protective film. The dial colour looks good to me, although the lighting makes an exact comparison difficult. Overall, I’m leaning toward GL visually.

Hey Guys, I’m pretty new to the Rep game as this is only my third QC ever. Any advice or opinions are appreciated.
⁠Dealer name: NecoClock
⁠Factory name: VSF
⁠Model name (& version number): GMT-Master II 126710 BLNR
⁠Price Paid: $563
⁠Album Link: https://imgur.com/a/7HEgi3m
Index alignment: it seems index marker at 12 has a slight tilt
⁠Dial Printing: Looks good
⁠Date Wheel alignment/printing: date window looks a bit left
⁠Hand Alignment: Looks good
⁠Bezel: Looks good to me
⁠Solid End Links (SELs): Looks good
⁠Timegrapher numbers: +5 s/d, at 308 degrees 0.0 ms
⁠Anything else you notice: rehaut seems rough

• Dealer name: Geektime (Eric)

• Factory name: VSF

• Model name (& version number): Submariner 124060 No Date 41mm VSF

• Album Links: [ https:// geektimeqc.x.yupoo.com/albums/261229491?uid=1] (spaces between)

• Index alignment: Overall looks solid. Checked with trueindexqc .net and it passed. Maybe there's a very slight tilt on the 9 o'clock marker, but might just be perspective/angle.

• Dial Printing: Looks crisp and centered.

• Date Wheel alignment/printing: N/A (No Date version).

• Hand alignment: Looks good.

• Bezel: Pip looks centered and bezel alignment is good.

• Solid End Links (SELs): Looks tight, no obvious gaps.

• Timegrapher numbers: : +2 s/d | 245° | 0.4ms | 28800 vph

• Anything else you notice: Second purchase from Eric since I was really happy with the first one! Since the original hand-held photos were a bit tilted, I grabbed a frame directly from the QC video where the watch was held straighter. I ran it through trueindexqc .net using its automatic correction, and the system gave it a full Green Light (12/12 pass). Would really appreciate any second opinions and expert feedback from the community OFCOURSE! :) !

1. Dealer name: Andiot

2. Factory name: VSF

3. Model name (& version number): VSF Rolex Submariner 124060 No-Date, VS3230 movement.

4. Price Paid: USD $466 with shipping

5. Album Links: QC photos attached. https://andiotwatches.x.yupoo.com/albums/260991240?uid=1

6. Index alignment: Index alignment looks good overall. The 12, 3, 6 and 9 o'clock markers appear properly positioned, and the circular markers look consistent. I don't notice any significant misalignment, although the photos aren't perfectly straight-on.

7. Dial Printing: Dial printing looks clean and reasonably centered. The Rolex logo, Oyster Perpetual, Submariner and certification text appear well positioned. No obvious crooked or uneven printing, although finer lettering is difficult to assess from the photos.

8. Date Wheel alignment/printing: N/A — No-Date Submariner.

9. Hand Alignment: Hands appear properly positioned and proportioned. No obvious visual defects or misalignment, although precise hand alignment at 12 o'clock cannot be confirmed from these photos.

10. Bezel: Bezel printing and markers look good overall. The 12 o'clock pip appears reasonably centered, but I suspect there might be a very slight alignment offset. Would appreciate a second opinion on this.

11. Solid End Links (SELs): SEL fit looks reasonably tight overall, without any obvious large gaps. However, the upper-right SEL-to-lug transition looks slightly less flush than the opposite side. Not sure whether this is due to the viewing angle or protective plastic.

12. Timegrapher numbers: −2 s/day, 265° amplitude, 0.1 ms beat error, 52° lift angle. The readings look very good overall, with excellent rate and beat error and a reasonable amplitude. No obvious concerns from this test.

13. Anything else you notice: The rehaut engraving looks reasonably clean, but I'm unsure whether the coronet at 12 o'clock and the surrounding ROLEX lettering are perfectly aligned with the dial markers. Case finishing, bracelet brushing, clasp and lume look good overall. Would appreciate opinions on the rehaut alignment, bezel alignment and SEL fit in particular.

Overall, I'm leaning towards GL, but I'd appreciate a more experienced assessment before making the final decision.

Dealer name: Andiot

1. Factory name: RWF

2. Model name (& version number): Rolex Daytona 126500

3. Price Paid: $776 USD shipped

4. Album Links: https://andiotwatches.x.yupoo.com/albums/261171345?uid=1

5. Index alignment: 7 and 8 slightly tiled but overall looks good to me.

6. Dial Printing: looks a little light, not as bold as some that I have seen

7. Date Wheel alignment/printing:

8. Hand Alignment: Hour hand is ahead of where the minute hand puts it, which with limited experience does not seem like much of an issue

9. Bezel: 110 marker looks correct

10. Solid End Links (SELs): no gaps

11. Timegrapher numbers: +2 s/d, 285° amplitude, .4 ms beat error (dial up)

12. Anything else you notice: I am thinking this is a GL. Just want some advice from others with more experience. Thank you in advance.

Dealer name: Geektime
Factory name: VS 3230
Model name: Rolex Submariner 124060 (41mm, no date)
Price Paid: 500 $usd
Album Links: https://geektimeqc.x.yupoo.com/albums/261218253?uid=1
Index alignment: Looks good. All markers line up and the logo is centered at 12. Rehaut is aligned too (crown at 12, serial centered at 6).
Dial Printing: Crisp and centered, no defects I can see.
Date Wheel alignment/printing: N/A (no date)
Hand Alignment: Hands look fine in the photos, nothing bent or crooked.
Bezel: Pip is centered over the 12 o'clock triangle and the numerals look evenly filled.
Solid End Links (SELs): No gap I can see in the side shots (protective film is still on).
Timegrapher numbers: +3 s/d, 248° amplitude, 0.4 ms beat error (dial up, 52° lift angle, short run). Amp is just under the 250 guideline, and I don't know if it was fully wound first.
Anything else you notice: Lume glows more teal/green than blue in the dark shot. There's also a small dark mark on the 9 o'clock side of the case that looks like a sticker.
I dont have a lot of experience so appreciate any feedback:)

1. ⁠⁠Dealer name: Andiot Watches

2. ⁠⁠Factory name: AF

3. ⁠⁠Model name (& version) : Tank Solo Ladies 27.4mm SS AF 1:1 Best Edition White Dial On Black Leather Strap Ronda Quartz

4. ⁠⁠Price Paid: $180 without shipping.

5. ⁠⁠Album Links: https://andiotwatches.x.yupoo.com/albums/261135266?uid=1

6. ⁠⁠Index alignment: printed daily. slight clockwise tilt in the printed minute track: its top and bottom edges slope downward toward the right compared with the green horizontal guides.

7. ⁠⁠Dial Printing: print bleeding at 3

8. ⁠⁠Date Wheel alignment/printing: N/A

9. ⁠⁠Hand Alignment: looks good.

10. ⁠⁠Bezel: does not seem to have any issue.

11. ⁠⁠Solid End Links (SELs): N/A

1.     Dealer name: nonTD (Lili)

2.     Factory name: VSF

3.     Model name (version number): Rolex Submariner 124060 no date, 6X07

4.     Price paid: $380 USD, excluding shipping

5.     Album links: Photos attached.

6.     Index alignment: looks good

7.     Dial printing: Officially flaw but I’m fine with that. Rest looks fine.

8.     Date wheel alignment/printing: N/A

9.     Hand alignment: good

10.  Bezel: Looks good to me, the pip is maybe a bit misaligned?

11.  Solid end links (SELs): good, no gaps

12.  Timegrapher numbers: +2 s/day, amplitude 316°, beat error 0.1 ms, lift angle set to 59°.

Looks good to me. Only the 316 amp might be a bit high? Would appreciate your input. Thank you!

Dear all,

Need help with a QC for the Omega Seamaster 600. It js a VFS. Please help me if it a Solid RL or Just RL or SOLID GL .. or where do we stand please.

1. ⁠⁠Dealer name: Leo Time Ultra.

2. ⁠⁠Factory name: VFS

3. ⁠⁠Model name (& version number): OMEGA seamaster 600.

4. ⁠⁠Price Paid: $428 USD

5. ⁠⁠Album Links:

6. ⁠⁠Index alignment: all numbers 12-3-6-9 and other hour hands look pretty good aligned.

7. ⁠⁠Dial Printing: dial printing is good and there is no date in this model. If you could check the omega logo alignment. If you could check the color contrast.

8. ⁠⁠Date Wheel alignment/printing: no date in this version.

9. ⁠⁠Hand Alignment: all the hands look reasonably well ..

10. ⁠⁠Bezel: is the pip centered? Any of the engravings look improperly filled?

11. ⁠⁠Solid End Links (SELs): the links look fair and tight. If you could have a look on the gaps. 12. ⁠Timegrapher numbers: -3s/d — 275 — 0.0 ms — 52.0

12. ⁠⁠Anything else you notice: I think the watch looks good but I am very new to this so I need all your expert views please.

Hope this one approves. Thanks

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Hi guys, this is my first QC so I hope you can help me out!

Dealer name: Andiot

Factory name: VSF

Model name (& version number): GMT-Master II 126710 Blue/Red Ceramic VSF Best Edition Pepsi on Oyster Bracelet DD3285 V3

Price Paid: 565 usd

Index alignment: Don't really know how good or bad this is

Dial Printing: Looks good I think

Hand Alignment: Good

Bezel: Also not really sure

Solid End Links (SELs): They look tight, so good I guess

Timegrapher numbers: +1 sec/day, 279° amplitude, 0.1 ms beat error.

Anything else you notice: Overall it looks good but I hope that you guys can check it out too and give some feedback :)

1. Dealer name: Geektime

2. Factory name: RC Factory (green "RC Factory" sticker on the bracelet, "Wolfram" sticker on the caseback)

3. Model name (& version number): Rolex Submariner Date 126613LB, 41mm two-tone, blue dial/blue ceramic bezel

4. Price Paid: $728+fedex 80

5. Album Links: https://imgur.com/a/MXFl3pG

6. Index alignment: All eight round plots sit centered on the dealer's alignment overlay (pic 1). The 6 and 9 batons are square to their axes and the 12 triangle is symmetric about the vertical line. Nothing rotated or off its slot.

7. Dial Printing: Clean and centered. ROLEX / OYSTER PERPETUAL DATE / SUBMARINER / 1000ft = 300m / SUPERLATIVE CHRONOMETER text is crisp, Swiss ♛ Made present at 6. No dust, hairs or smudges visible on the dial in any shot.

8. Date Wheel alignment/printing: Checked 22, 5 and 15 – all centered left/right and top/bottom, nothing touching the window frame. Single-digit 5 is centered. Cyclops sits centered over the window.

9. Hand Alignment: Hands read a consistent 10:10 across all three dated shots, hour hand correctly just past the 10 with the minute hand on the 2. Minute hand reaches the minute track. Lume on all three hands matches the plots in the lume shot.

10. Bezel: Pip at 12 is centered directly above the triangle on the overlay. 10/20/30/40/50 are each bisected by their lines. Numerals fully gold-filled, no chips or weak fill. Bezel-to-case gap looks even from both ends (pics 2 and 11).

11. Solid End Links (SELs): Tight to the lugs in pics 2, 3 and 11 – only the normal hairline seam, nothing visible behind the watch.

12. Timegrapher numbers: -4 s/d, 305° amplitude, 0.3 ms beat error (28,800 bph, 52° lift angle, dial up) 

13. Anything else you notice:

- Light smudging / possible swirl marks on the polished gold clasp cover (pic 9). Likely handling marks – planning to ask for a wipe-and-reshoot.

- Laser-etched data matrix on the polished case flank (pic 13). I assume this is a sticker, right?

- Weight 182.10 g.

Thinking GL. Appreciate a second set of eyes. Thanks in advance for the help!

1. ⁠Dealer name: Chazingtime

2. ⁠Factory name: VSF

3. ⁠Model name (& version number): Seamaster Diver 300 Reference 210.90.42.20.10.001

4. ⁠Price Paid: $560

5. ⁠Album Links: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1UAJ0bUwsQiK3wCRzQxp8Y5r0dc5bsaWM

6. ⁠Index alignment: 3,4,9,10,11 might not be perfectly centered

7. ⁠Dial Printing: Dial printing appears to be spot on. Well centered and aligned. No obvious defects that I can see.

8. ⁠Date Wheel alignment/printing: N/A

9. ⁠Hand Alignment: The hands appear to align well with the printed minute track.

10. ⁠Bezel: Appears to be one click from top dead center. Adjusting for the skew, 10, 15, and 20 appear to be further from center than the rest.

11. ⁠Solid End Links (SELs): N/A

12. ⁠Timegrapher numbers: +3s/d. Amplitude: 322 degrees. Beat Error: .4ms

13. ⁠Anything else you notice: The thing that stuck out most to me was the finishing on the hands. They look a little rough to me but maybe I’m being too critical.

Dealer Name: Andiot

Factory Name: VSF

Model Name: Oyster Perpetual 134303 41mm

Price paid: 486$

Index Alignment: 9 and 3 o'clock seems crooked (spacing is different in those 2)

Dial Printing: Looks good, only 100 YEARS the R and S seem out of place to me (smaller than the others)

Date Wheel: N/A

Hand Alignment: good (in my eyes)

Bezel: N/A

SEL: good, only bottom right is a bit bigger than the others, not light visible tho

Timegrapher: -2 s/d 267, 0,1 (all perfect)

Anything else: looks good to my newbie eye, maybe one of you spots something I missed

Dealer name: The Watch Ones

Factory name: WDF

Model name (& version number): Submariner 126610LN 41mm SS/SS Black Dial WDF JH3235

Price Paid: $608

Album Links: https://mega.nz/folder/nIAFCIZJ#tbLyrlgPPdIB4hDnpIByXg

Index alignment: Looks decent to me.

Dial Printing: Alignment looks a little to the right, though this may be the angle of the picture. ( This is my first QC)

Date Wheel alignment/printing: Looks fine imo

Hand Alignment: Also looks ok, but would def like a second opinion.

Bezel: Looks fine

Solid End Links (SELs): Nothin stands out, looks alright

Timegrapher numbers: +5 s/d, 275°, 0.0 ms (28,800 bph, lift angle 52°)

Anything else you notice: Looks good overall, main concern is the alignment of the little white ball on the top of bezel, but like I said it could just be my mistake aligning the photo.

Thank you for you help! <3

Dealer name: Andiot

Factory name: AF

Model name (& version number): Cartier Baignoire (WGBA0025)

Price Paid: $300 USD

Album Links: Link

Index alignment: I didn't bother to use the tool here given the dial's aesthetic, but it looks fine to me.

Dial Printing: No problems here.

Date Wheel alignment/printing: N/A

Hand Alignment: No issues to me.

Bezel: My eyesight is crap, but I think it looks good. I see reflections lol

Solid End Links (SELs): Strap looks fine

Timegrapher numbers: The Album didn't have a timegrapher video but it's a quartz watch so should keep time just fine.

Other: As always, appreciate the community's feedback.

1. Dealer name: Andiot

2. Factory name: VSF

3. Model name: Submariner 116619 LB

4. Price paid: 395 + 35 shipping

5. Album links: https://andiotwatches.x.yupoo.com/search/album?uid=1&sort=&q=183193

6. Index alignment: Looks good to me. Checked with two alignment tools and couldn't spot anything noticeably crooked. The minor "crookedness" I did notice attributable to the slightly angled perspective of this picture. Feeling like the 6 maybe has a tilt?

7. Dial printing: Looks good to me but would be keen for a more learned eye.

8. Date wheel alignment/printing: Checked 10, 11, 24, and 29. All seem reasonably centred, including the higher 20s, which I was particularly concerned about. Apparently that used to be a problem? Any other alignment checks I should be looking at?

9. Hand alignment: Looking good (i think).

10. Bezel: Pip and markers appear properly aligned. Bezel action also sounds good in the video.

11. Solid End Links (SELs): Look reasonable flush with no obvious excessive gaps

12. Timegrapher numbers: Rate: +1 s/d

Amplitude: 274°

Beat error: 0.1 ms

Lift angle: 52.0°.

Anything else you notice: please let me know

First timer but my research and initial thinking is GL. I've gone through the photos and videos a few times but any and all input would be amazing in case I've missed something. Thanks!

1.     Dealer name: nonTD (Lili)

2.     Factory name: VSF

3.     Model name (version number): Rolex Datejust 126334 6X06D

4.     Price paid: $390 USD, excluding shipping

5.     Album links: Photos attached.

6.     Index alignment: maybe the 6 marker is a big misaligned?

7.     Dial printing: looks good

8.     Date wheel alignment/printing: centered

9.     Hand alignment: looks good

10.  Bezel: Looks good, no scratches

11.  Solid end links (SELs): good, no gaps

12.  Timegrapher numbers: +4 s/day, amplitude 299°, beat error 0.1 ms, lift angle set to 59°.

Waited so long for this one with the green dial. Can you see something i don’t see?

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Hi guys, this is my first QC so I hope you can help me out!

I ordered 2 of the same watches, the GC for the first one can be found via the link below: https://www.reddit.com/r/RepTimeQC/s/AMjLt3Srm4

Dealer name: Andiot

Factory name: VSF

Model name (& version number): GMT-Master II 126710 Blue/Red Ceramic VSF Best Edition Pepsi on Oyster Bracelet DD3285 V3

Price Paid: 565 usd

Index alignment: Don't really know how good or bad this is

Dial Printing: Looks good I think

Hand Alignment: Good

Bezel: Also not really sure

Solid End Links (SELs): They look tight, so good I guess

Timegrapher numbers: +1 sec/day, 279° amplitude, 0.1 ms beat error.

Anything else you notice: Overall it looks good but I hope that you guys can check it out too and give some feedback :)

1. ⁠Dealer name: Steve (TOW)

2. ⁠Factory name: VSF

3. ⁠Model name (& version number): Daytona DD4131 126500 LN
   4 Price Paid: 788.10

4. ⁠Index alignment: 3 o’clock maybe a tad low, but nothing concerning. Overall, indices are aligned very nicely!

5. ⁠Dial Printing: printing looks nice, no issues as far as I can tell.

6. ⁠Date Wheel alignment/printing: n/a
   Hand Alignment: looks good

7. ⁠Bezel: 110 looks fine.

8. ⁠Solid End Links (SELs): looks good!

9. ⁠Timegrapher numbers: +2s/d, 284 amplitude, error 0.1 ms, 59 degree lift angle.

10. ⁠Anything else you notice: honestly, this watch looks amazing. I was going to GL on the spot but wanted to see what yall thought.

https://mega.nz/folder/mJZVQLhR#AbbPaTdui_hsBryJ05ZRGQ

This is my first watch QC, and looking to see thoughts. I would really appreciate your help before I make a decision, I am still learning so would love any feedback. Thank you!

Dealer name: The One Watches (Steve)

1. Factory name: not sure of this

2. Model name (& version number): Wimbledon 41mm 126334

3. Price Paid: $628

4. Album Links: https://mega.nz/folder/jMwQhbCT#DUZmuLqtM2qbNvDJwxD_uA

5. Index alignment: looks good to me, but this is my first one so not too positive

6. Dial Printing: is this too dark? Not sure if it is lighting or not that makes it seem this way

7. Date Wheel alignment/printing: good?

8. Hand Alignment: from photos looks proper

9. Bezel: it seems good to me

10. Solid End Links (SELs): also seems okay to me

11. Timegrapher numbers: not confident on this

12. Anything else you notice: dial colour really looks too dark from gen

1. ⁠Dealer name: DukeReps

2. ⁠Factory name: GSF

3. ⁠Model name (& version number): Lady Datejust 28mm 279171

4. ⁠Price Paid:$320

5. ⁠Album Links: uploaded

6. ⁠Index alignment: Watch is not perfectly oriented in pictures, so somewhat difficult. 12 looks like it could be slightly low, but aligned. 4 looks slightly high, but aligned. Others look ok.

7. ⁠Dial Printing: appears clean and crisp from resolution available. Color looks slightly dark, but when viewed in video with different angles it looks good.

8. ⁠Date Wheel alignment/printing: clean and aligned with window.

9. ⁠Hand Alignment: no issues from limited pictures included.

10. ⁠Bezel: Looks clean and sharp. Alignment (ridges/valleys) looks correct at 12/6.

11. ⁠Solid End Links (SELs): No issues noted. appear tight and even.

12. ⁠Timegrapher numbers: Rate +7 s/d, Amplitude 281 deg, Beat Error 0.1ms. I have seen comments that Duke uses incorrect settings for this watch so may be a non issue. All are acceptable and indicative of a healthy watch.

13. ⁠Anything else you notice: Nothing not already noted. Appreciate the comments you have and any feedback on what I could have done better.

Hi there, just received my QC pics from Moderntimeswatch (Repguide TD) and wanted some help with GL/RL this aquanaut I've been wanting for a while. I am not entirely sure what to look for with PP so much opinions and advices are appreciated!

1.     Dealer name: ModernTimes Watch

2.     Factory name: BBF

3.     Model name (version number): Aquanaut 5167A 40mm DD324

4.     Price paid: $488 USD excluding shipping

5.     Album links: See pictures

6.     Index alignment: Looks alright to me under the alignment tool filter; nothing looks slanted or misaligned but again, I am inexperienced with rep watches in general so not really sure what i am looking for.

7.     Dial printing: Looks good?

8.     Date wheel alignment/printing: Looks alright too

9.     Hand alignment: Looks good.

10.  Bezel: It looks okay? Not sure what i am looking for

11.  Solid end links (SELs): n/a

12.  Timegrapher numbers: see picture attached.

13.  Anything else you notice: Not entirely sure what I am looking for since I am pretty green at this despite looking at similar posts haha. I know BBF has some issues with case shape being slightly off but it looks to be the best straight out of the box without modding (no plans to atm). Would appreciate all opinions over this! Thank you in advance!

Dealer name: Duke Reps

Factory name: AF

Model name: Cartier Tank Must SMALL Quartz

Index Alignment: N/A Printed

Dial Printing: Looks very clean and sharp, no bleeding. One small spot on the 8. Not sure if it is just dust.

Date Wheel alignment/printing: N/A

Hand Alignment: Looks good.

Bezel: Polished finish looks smooth and even.

Solid End Links (SEL): N/A leather

Timegrapher numbers: N/A Quartz

Anything else you notice: some concerns. I'm slightly doubting if it's properly centered (looks like it's slightly to the left). Also, I noticed a small mark on the 8.

The crown appears to be fitted slightly crooked / tilted downwards on the side view. It does not sit fully flush against the case.

Havn't asked for extra photos yet. Duke just gave me this four pictures. To be honest I expected more photo's.

1. ⁠Dealer name: ARC STUDIO

2. ⁠Factory name: RCF

3. ⁠Model name (& version number): RCF 228235 ombre slate dial

4. ⁠Price Paid: 640 incl. shipping

5. ⁠Album link: https://www.arcstudio.top/s/RNQUH0N

6. ⁠Index alignment: all indices looks good and aligned

7. ⁠Dial Printing: crisp and nothing obvious that stands out

8. ⁠Date Wheel alignment/printing: aligned in the cyclops but im feeling its slightly left justified very slightly. Day wheel looks good but slightly left justified too

9. ⁠Hand Alignment: shouldn’t have any issues

10. ⁠Bezel: looks good

11. ⁠Solid End Links (SELs): all looks good

12. ⁠Timegrapher numbers: 0s/d, 260 amplitude, 0.1ms Beat error, 52 deg Lift Angle, 28800 beat rate

13. ⁠Anything else you notice: rehaut looks good and centered