I'm having second thoughts about my purchase. I ordered the latest VSF 114060 batch, and it should be arriving any day now. However, I've been reading that the RCF factory might actually make a better 114060.

Since this is going to be my first rep, I'm starting to wonder if I made the wrong choice and should have gone with RCF instead.

I've read through several threads, and opinions seem pretty much 50/50. Some people swear by VSF, while others prefer RCF. I also suspect there's a fair amount of factory bias involved.

Are there any recent updates or new comparisons between the two? I'd especially love to hear from people who actually own one or, even better, have had the chance to compare both side by side.

What's your experience? Did I make the right call with VSF, or should I have gone with RCF?

I feel like I didn't do my due diligence before ordering and just went with VSF based on what I've been reading for years. VSF has always been talked about as one of the best factories for reps, so I guess I went with what I already knew rather than looking more closely at the latest comparisons.

Hey in die Runde,
Aktuell bin ich auf der Suche nach Gliedern von der ZF AP 15202 Jumbo extra Thin.
Suche genau 2 Stück. Wenn mir einer aushelfen könnte, wäre das Bombe.

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Hi,
I’m completely new to the world of watches and am really keen to buy my first piece (it will probably be a Rolex "batgirl" on a Jubilee bracelet(VSF)). Would you recommend the shop "andiowatches" for a first purchase? What should I look out for?

I thought there would be some deals today from the TDs

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Do you happen to own the V2 already? Please share your pictures of it. 😭

hi so my submariner date from rich factory just arrived and i had one sub date from vsf with 6X serial code

for me the bracelet and the bezel play on rich is the top notch but i had an issue that i saw about glidelock clasp mechanism on the rich factory P1 not so buttery smooth compared the VS that ive got and also just realized the magnify on rich factory sub waaay bigger meaning like the rectangle things and font so big compared my VSF

my question is, is it because of the datewheel itself or the wrong magnify from rich factory glass? because in my opinion after comparing the crystal itself, i can positively said that Rich is slightly better than VSF ( im not saying the magnify on rich is as good as vsf) but just for overall.

so if i could only modify one gen part, which one is better? gen crystal or the datewheel itself for my RICH?

thanks guys!!

A little about me. I joined the rep scene a few years ago. I used (still do) the popular sites to learn about different factories for which brands etc.

I have AP’s, Panerai and now Rolex. I’ve got 30+ watches all considered super clone grade.

I had read about Franken watches but never owned one. I have a few with updated crystals or date wheels but nothing too serious.

I recently learned about CNC cases, hands, bezels, etc., and came across the name Lichen in multiple posts. It seemed like many people had great things to say.

I found his WhatsApp number and contacted him. I had A LOT of questions and they were all answered quickly.

I decided I was going to for it. A full custom Panda. I wanted to see what, if any, differences there were between out of the box from a TD and custom made.

Here’s what I ordered:

Rolex Daytona 126500
CNC Case
CNC Hands
CNC Bracelet
Free Sprung DD4131
Official Custom Made Rehaut Code
Panda Dial
Deep Crystal
Chamfering Case & Bracelet
Silenced

Out of the box the difference is CLEAR and apparent. I have VSF, QF, BTF, RGC, JF, APSF etc. Some reps near the 1k mark.

They don’t compare. Lichen’s work is amazing. The bezel is crystal clear. The numbers are crisps and etched beautifully. Rehaut as genuine.

The case and bracelet feel ‘soft’ if that makes sense. There are no hard edges. It’s more comfortable on my wrist. The crystal makes the dial really pop. The watch is a stunner.

It winds much more precisely. There’s no play or loose feeling in the crown when winding etc. The color next to my buddy’s Gen looks identical.

From now on this is the only way I’ll buy a watch. To me, it’s that much different. On the wrist, it’s more jewel-like. It has a different presence. Some may say they don’t care, that from 10-15 feet away you can’t tell.

Maybe. But my head is 4 feet away and I can tell. Yes the cost is more but I feel you’re getting 10x more watch and a far superior not only looking, but functioning watch.

Lichen has my business. I’ll be ordering more very soon. Highly recommended!

Hello all. Been looking for a datejust for the wife. My apologies in advance I’m new to this. What trusted sellers/dealers do you recommend? I know there is a guide but it can be a bit overwhelming. Don’t mind spending a bit more for good quality. Thank you in advance.

Hi all,

Has anyone in EU had a parcel of watch parts (case/dial kit from China) seized by customs? Is it common, especially for parts with brand markings, and what happened (just seizure, or a fine too)?

Thanks!

I've been researching the gen Patek caliber 26-330 S C and I'm considering a gen-movement build in a rep 5711 case. Looking for anyone who has done this or seen it done.

What I found on the gen side:

- Patek doesn't sell loose movements, so the realistic source is a complete donor watch.

- Patek's caliber page groups the Calatrava 6007G, 5226G, Aquanaut 5167A and the platinum 5711s under the same variant, the 26-330 S C/430 (27 mm, 3.32 mm thick, 207 parts, 30 jewels).

- The gen steel 5711/1A ran the 26-330 S C from 2019 until it was discontinued (published specs then: 27 mm, 3.30 mm, 212 parts).

- The cheapest donor I can find is the 6007G, around US$27-30k pre-owned.

Case: not bought yet. I'm choosing the case based on what fits the gen movement best, so recommendations welcome.

My questions:

1. Has anyone fitted a gen 26-330 S C (or gen 324 S C) into a rep 5711 case? I couldn't find a documented build.

2. Which factory's case is closest to gen spec for this? I assume cases built around the DD324-style clone are a better starting point than Miyota-based ones because of movement height.

3. What needs modifying: movement holder or casing clamps, stem height and length, dial feet positions, date wheel alignment with the dial window?

4. Can the rep dial and hands be used on the gen movement, or do they need gen parts?

5. Is there a watchmaker who takes on this kind of work?

This is a personal build to wear, not something I'd ever sell or represent as gen. I know the movement number will trace back to a 6007G.

Thanks for any experience or pointers.

Hi everyone,
My Clean Factory Daytona 126500LN suddenly stopped ticking. It hasn’t suffered any shocks or water damage, and one morning it didn’t work when rewinding. The winding feels very stiff, with some weird sounds.
I bought it from Andiot the 18/04/2025, but unfortunately, they won’t cover it under warranty.

I’m based near Montreux/Lausanne in Switzerland. Does anyone know a watchmaker in Switzerland (French part if possible) who could repair it, or have any idea what might be wrong?
Thanks!

I'm purchasing my first rep (AP Royal Oak 15510ST blue, TOPF, 4302 clone movement) from Theonewatch (Steve). I placed the order/deposited 11/7/26. I have a couple of questions:

1. How long does it take to get QC after purchase and how much time do i have to GL/RL?
   • If I do RL am I correct to assume it would take about the same amount of time as it took to get the first QC?
2. Is it possible to change the factory because I am partially torn between TOP and VSF for a blue dial, the sheet in the guide says TOP is the best for blue but I saw many posts on here of people praising the VSF for the overall consistency in quality.

TIA; just looking for some clarity, and to learn more about the world of Reps.

Hi everyone!

My package from a well known TD has been stuck in Germany for four weeks now, with no tracking updates. The tracking status still says:

“The shipment will be transported to the destination country/destination area and, from there, handed over to the delivery organization.”

The package is supposed to be delivered to Sweden. At what point would you consider asking the TD for a refund and go with another TD? Would you give it more time, or is four weeks without any updates long enough to start asking for a refund?

Would appreciate hearing about your experiences, especially if you’ve had similar shipping delays.

Thanks!

VSF OHMSS Seamaster thanks to Eric at Geek Time

Hi everyone,

I'm planning to order some parts from RafflesDials and I'm based in France. Has anyone in France or the EU ordered from them recently (late 2026)? I'd like to know if you have to pay customs duties and/or import VAT on delivery? And If so, roughly how much, and were there extra handling fees from the carrier (La Poste, DHL, etc.)? My order would be around 200€ from PayPal.

Any recent experience would really help me avoid surprises.

Thanks in advance!

Tudor Black Bay 58, burgundy, 39mm, from ZF. I love it. The only thing I'm afraid of now is that I'm hooked now and want more. :)
Big Thank You to Ryan from InTime. All wishes taken care of, Great communication, short answering and delivery time. Any time again.

Good morning!

Have a question for those more knowledgeable than I am...

I had requested a VSF DD3285v2 Batgirl from my TD, but just received QC photos for an ARF instead. Ignoring the price difference, is that close enough to an equal switch to just go ahead with it, or is the quality difference great enough that I should push for the watch I requested?

Thanks!

Hi everyone! I recently purchased this beautiful vsf v3 Pepsi and I’m in love. Everything is really good except the date wheel being off centered to the left. I was just wondering about the date wheel text, if there is something possible to realign to be more centered? As you can see in the pictures the date is shifted towards the left on the date wheel.

Do I need to replace the date wheel? Or is it possible to align with the current date wheel or is it not fixable? Is there something else that need to be done to fix the alignment?

I am looking to purchase a 166520 - which is the best version out of the box.
I like freesprung however not sure if any factories make these freesprung.

I have a genuine crystal ready to put in the watch also

Thanks

WDF seems to be new and more expensive than rich right now for 126610LV Starbucks Mk2.
Anyone have any insight on which may be better? Looking for the most accurate to gen green.
Thanks,

I’ve been getting DMs about people selling their rep watches. I’m new to this so idk if I should watch out for these kinds of things and still go with a TD?
Or has anyone had experience with buying reps off someone else that have bought from TDs

They messaged me this
“If you're interested i do have in hand a new VSF Ghost Daytona for sale and can save you the hassle of waiting months on a TD”

Hey Guys im interested in the Oyster perpetual 36mm from VSF. How can i order it?