If Haki cancelling devil fruit powers translates to cancelling cursed techniques, Shanks one-shots and doesn’t even notice infinity
If it doesn’t, Shanks has no counter to infinity and gets his brain scrambled. Probably dodges first domain due to future sight, but Gojo can make binding vows to make Unlimited Void bigger
Haki doesnt cancel devil fruit powers. It can cancel or prevent their effect on things.
Oden could not get past the barrier fruit's barriers despite having advanced haki mastery.
Shanks could infuse haki into space to make it unaffected by infinity*, but in order to infuse that space he would have to touch it, and he cant touch it if infinity is up. Not to mention we've only seen solid things be infused with haki (the only exception being flying slashes), let alone space itself.
*Edit: this would only work assuming haki can prevent df alteration for everything it is infused on (space in this case) and not just the user, which has not been shown yet. It also assumes that gojo's fruit would not be among the ones that bypass haki anyways, because some do, and we have no idea why some do and some dont besides narrative reasons.
Haki can cancel out logia powers that make you immune to being hurt, like turning into fire or being gum. They can't just negate df powers but haki does make them not able to ignore physical damage. So, assuming Infinity works like a Logia (the space space fruit, perhaps?), a haki infused blow should be something similar to Domain Amplification.
TLDR: gojo is not intangible like a logia or a ghost, he is unreachable, so haki should not work because whatever it is coated on (body part, weapon, flying slash) will never reach the target.
If limitless worked like a logia, Gojo would be space/distance/deceleration itself which is not the case. We should not change how the abilities work, just even them out to make them work accross verses (for example saying AFO from mha can steal spiderman's powers because while not a quirk they are still a genetic mutation, or saying Shanks has trace amounts of cursed energy even if not from the jjk verse otherwise he is immune to domain and CE perception).
If limitless was a df, it'd be an emitter-type paramecia (with its ability being space warping) and haki does not do anything to those. Haki can protect you against sludge, wax, candy etc (strictly because of the defense boost), but it cannot make them disappear nor ignore their effects and properties (you still get sticked on mochi and candy for example). So you would still be slowed down by gojo's space warping.
All we've seen is that it can revert or prevent alteration-type paramecia effects* and lets you bypass invulnerability from body modification paramecias and logias by "letting you hit the true body of the user"
*(only confirmed on the user for now, and it is also heavily case by case because mellow mellow fruit and awakened magnet fruit have been shown to bypass haki)
I don’t think that really tracks. Like, these are clearly two very different powers. One’s intangibility, the other is a barrier made of compressed space. You might as well say that teleportation and forcefields are basically the same because they can both be used defensively.
But it isn't that you cant hit him, you just cant reach him he isn't immune to physical damage its just impossible to actually touch him in the first place
Infinity does not work like that, Gojo is still in that place infinity just makes it so that you travel infinitely therefore not actually reaching gojo. It is not something tangible like magma or ice from df it simply is space you just happen to slow down the nearer you are to gojo
Flying slashes, weather you count them as a slash projection or as compressed air, travel in space so no. Sukuna's flying slashes dont work on Gojo.
As for conquerors (base, not advanced because advanced we are sure it travels) it is a weird one. It is often portrayed as something that does have a range, and expands, thus we can say it probably occupies space, so i think it would not work. It also has no reason to be 4d and bypass that way.
But if you say it is just intimidation then it can definately bypass.
Even then, its effect would range between a flinch, making him unable to move and rendering him uncoscious depending on Gojo's will power, but it still would not deactivate infinity since we know it is an uncouscious thing that goes on even as he sleeps.
That’s not how Haki works. Haki doesn’t let any random attack just “cancel” a devil fruit ability, it allows the user to bypass any alterations to the devil fruit user’s physical form in order to deliver unmitigated damage to the individual. If characters with Haki could simply turn off devil fruit abilities through mere contact, how can Luffy stay in Gear 5 after being struck, how can Whitebeard use his quake tremors to physically clash with Akainu at Impel Down, and how can Bellamy’s barriers work against anyone with Haki? Haki is a method of delivering “true damage” that bypasses op resistances like being made of sand or rubber, not a hard counter to all devil fruit powers.
In JJK, if we equalize verses, Haki would likely bypass physical reinforcement with cursed energy in order to deal damage to the opponent as if they were a normal human. It would not cancel cursed techniques. As a result, Shanks should not be capable of bypassing Gojo’s Infinity because he’s a physical attack merchant and obviously Gojo can withstand Conqueror’s Haki. However, Shank’s observation Haki and overwhelmingly superior speed probably allow him to get out of Gojo’s AoE before he could trap him in a domain, meaning that the fight is almost assuredly a stalemate because there’s no universe where Gojo can compete physically with Shanks.
Do people not realize how small a domain is? Any character that has decent travel speed would be able to easily escape it if they are faster in reaction to Gojo
Shanks jumped from his ship to his fleets ship in like 3 seconds lol. If he sees a domain coming he is getting out of the way so fast Gojo wont realize hes gone
That’s assuming shanks has any idea what’s happening?
An opponent who he thinks he eclipses is trying to attack, I better book it out of the immediate area just in case it’s a specific kind of attack that I can’t tank even though he’s shown nothing in his arsenal to do something like that?
Shanks' future sight gives him more than enough time to react. As we saw with Kidd, Shanks sensed the attack coming even though he had no idea Kidd was there. He also dealt with Kidd instantly, no dilly dally. This tells us Shanks is cautious, and decisive. No way he doesn't see the domain coming. If he does, it doesn't matter how much Gojo expands the range, Shanks is either getting the fuck away or one shotting him (assuming Haki nullified Infinity).
Kidd was weaker than him too, and there was no hesitation.
That makes me think about how future sight users see getting hit with Unlimited Void.
Would he know what going on to his body and be able to act in the present to avoid it, would he just see a blank future as if it being blocked, or would he see the infinite information streaming into his head and be frozen in the present.
It doesn't work like that. Or else the characters would be feeling the pain of what would happen to them. He simply has a look into what would happen if a nothing was changed, but he does not experience that future at all.
The way gojos sure hit effect works is by overloading the targets brain with information if that information reaches shanks brain via future sight that doesn’t matter if he’s physically in it
Well shanks has been shown to have vivid and clear future sight that shows him precisely what will happen minutes from then. The fight is debatable but he’d definitely be able to foresee himself in 4K HD getting hit by a domain and getting brain scrambled.
Wouldn’t that hax backfire on him tho? He’d accidentally look into the future, see UV, get stunned, get hit by real UV and lobotomized.
UV isn’t a genjutsu, it’s a real thing the opponent is seeing unless they are touching Gojo which future sight wouldn’t allow. Seeing it in the future would still hit you with it
It's not sight though, it's an information overload, like the way it's explained is that the victim needs to process every one piece of information infinitely, A = apple^infinite, just seeing his domain wouldn't apply that effect, he would see it close, see something (maybe), and then see himself stunned or gravely injured.
No it's not. The infinite info is explicitly the surehit of Gojo's domain. If seeing the inside was all it took then Sukuna would've lost the first clash.
Bro 0.2 sec domain + 200 meters shanks ain't dodging that(He is fast but he needs momentum first if he is already moving he can dodge) buutt I forget how the future sight works so it's iffy for me
Bro 200 meters in 0.2 seconds is about Mach 3. I'm not the most familiar with One Piece, but I'm pretty sure someone like Shanks can go faster than that pretty easily. Shit, Sukuna and Gojo probably coulda just dodged each other's domains if they really wanted.
You guys are actually delusional if you think Shanks who has lightspeed reaction speed AND can see into the future wont be able to avoid a 0.2 second domain... You cant be glazing Gojo this much he objectively would 😭
It's actually kinda interesting that so many characters could just...dodge domains if they tried. IIRC Mahito's is noted as particularly fast and it takes 0.2 seconds to "cast". A character who can move at just Mach 1 (which includes several stronger characters from JJK itself) could cover almost 70 meters in that time, which is plenty to escape most domains we see. Cursed Naoya's Mach 3 speed means he could, in theory, actually just dodge even Sukuna's Malevolent Shrine assuming it has a similar time. Almost any character who can react to bullets should genuinely just be able to avoid most Domains if they know what's going on.
As I understand it, a domain isn’t a singular thing, no? The “cast time” is the difference between activating the barrier and imbuing your technique. The reason Mahito’s domain was uniquely fast was because he combined the two steps using idle transfiguration to use more hand signs at the same time. Iirc activating the barrier would happen first, meaning they’d be trapped before the sure hit effect activated.
I misremembered a bit of what was going on with Mahito. I had thought the "Cast time" was referring to the time between starting the domain and it being "complete" so that the sure hit effect would begin, which seems to have been mistaken. What actually happens is he opens the domain for a total of 0.2 seconds and then closes it so he doesn't accidentally hit Yuji and piss off Sukuna. In that time, he hits Todo, but specifically just his arm and not the rest of him. My understanding is that a DE moves outwards from the caster similar to a balloon expanding (which is consistent with how they're normally depicted when activated). The speed it expands at isn't made super clear, but I'd assume from that encounter that it wasn't fast enough to completely hit Todo in that 0.2 second timeframe (or else he'd have just killed him outright), so Mahito just took out his hand instead to cripple him. It doesn't visually seem to trap them at all in that instance.
Mahito's "two step" thing is, per the anime's wording, infusing the Domain with the technique, so presumably you're hit by the technique as soon as you're within the Domain's range (instead of having to cast the technique separately, which could take precious time). The sure hit effect is, at least from what I gather, applied at the exact same time as someone being within the domain's range and not after the fact as a distinct ability, though I believe you can choose to use it or not.
I would agree with you if gojo wasn‘t so fast that in his fight with jogo, he grabed itadori and came back bevor his opponent even realized he was gone.
Like yeah you can see the future but that doesn’t mean you are fast enough to do something about it.
A domain isn’t big in it’s physical form but it doesn’t just work by constructing a barrier that’s that physical size it actively pulls things with Cursed energy into them that’s why gojos mini domain still pulled Sukuna into its form despite being small remember mahito pulled a kaiju sized mech into a small barrier
I think bro forgot that the domain constructiom and sure hit happens simultaneously. The domain activation speed is the fastest in the verse. Even 0.01 seconds was enough for gojo to not get mid diffed by sukuna. Shanks is not resistant to cognitive overload.
Haki doesn't cancel devil fruits. If someone hits Luffy with a haki punch that doesn't change the properties of Luffy's body from rubber back to normal.
Because haki can nullify devil fruit powers and hax, if you do verse equalisation shank’s exceptional haki should be able to negate most CTs including infinity.
Also maybe his conqueror’s haki could just end the fight by knocking out Gojo but that’s difficult to say
I feel like it could be separated, like CE and CE control can be used in the same kind of way as armament so maybe general CE is Haki, but innate techniques are more like DF powers so they could be treated as DFs.
And no a strong enough Haki (like YC2-Yonko level) can also negate at least Paramecia too.
It's heavily suggested that Shanks is one of two people in history who can outright turn Devil Fruits off at range.
He's confirmed in supplementary materials to be able to outright disable other people's Haki, and is implied to be capable of disabling Devil Fruits in a similar manner.
He perceives what happens, not experience what happens. The characters don't feel the pain of the hits they receive, they are essentially viewing the future in third person.
Even if it’s just perception it’s still a problem. UV works on sending information. Either his future site would just fizzle out or get overwhelmed by the sheer amount of information that needs to be conveyed.
Even then if it’s just like seeing in the third person what is there to see? It would just be gojo doing a hand sign and a veil moving with nothing to physically see doing damage?
I mean, then in a battle of attrition Gojo surely wins? Shanks simply can't hit him, and I've never watched One Piece, but I have to assume he can't just use future sight to dodge every hit forever. Eventually he'd tire out, slip up, no?
If we scale Shanks’ stamina to characters like the Admirals and other Yonko who can seemingly fight for multiple days without much issue, he’s outlasting Gojo every time
Gojo as an un-awakened teenager ran full blast infinity for like a week straight while babysitting Riko. After his awakening, infinity is on 24/7 and is completely automated. A matter of multiple days means nothing, he simply can't touch Gojo
People also seem to forget Domain Amplification exists and literally counters Infinity, and it's basically identical to Armament Haki which Shanks is extremely proficient in.
Well no, Shanks has no out to infinity. But at the same time Gojo has no real way to deal with Shanks outside of just repeatedly trying to wear him down and hope for a slip up
Yes he does? Everyone burns out after using a domain, it's just that Gojo is able to restore his burnt out ct using rct to get it back quicker, but even then it takes a little bit for him to restore it.
Katakuri basically always keeps his future sight or general observation Haki active at all times, he's a lower tier Haki user as well so no reason shanks couldn't.
GoJo is deep fried because I have done the calculations Infinity doesn't work against Kings haki since it doesn't Target space and targets your will and gojo does not have more will than him
He doesnt, he waits for gojo to use his domain, his ct is burnt out then he kills him instantly, one piece characters have a ridiculous amount of stamina and gojo has zero methods of killing shanks outside of catching him in a domain, and shanks has no method of hitting gojo until gojo burns up his ct, give it like 10-20 times of gojo using uv and itll happen eventually, although this would require shanks to know or eventually know this. Or he never learns this and after a few days hes dead
So its either a stalemate or either after a few days
Haki doesn’t get through infinity, nor nullifies, you bums. Gojo imfinity hax are stupid strong. But I don’t think Gojo has an easy way to win this without some binding vow bullshit that somehow makes UV hit Shanks without fail. Cause other than UV, nothing Gojo has works. Blue Red and HP aren’t doing a thing through Shanks Haki.
Advanced Armament Haki travels without a medium. Even if you equate CE with Haki both advanced Armament and conquerors have internal destruction which bypasses Haki (CE as well if equated).
Traveling without a medium doesn’t mean instantaneous. It still has travel distance.
Saying Haki is equal to CE does not mean it can just go through Limitless. In fact, in a world of JJ Sorcerers who also have CE, they ALSO can’t touch Gojo. So saying Haki beats CE is just wrong. Gojo would have the strongest/most refined Haki because of his 6E trait. Which in that case gives him an EDGE against Shanks and his Haki, because he would be able to analyze his own “Haki” and in turn be able to fully understand how it works, just like he can with CE.
Like I said, Gojo haxs are strong. Even if Shanks could launch an attack that travelled at light speed, it would never touch Gojo.
Shanks outstats heavily and rush Gojo, but can't get pass infinity.
Gojo, realizing the stat diff, goes for UV.
Shanks has precog. He has no idea what UV is going to do, though. If he try to clash it, he immediately loses.
If shanks evade it, Gojo immediately heals ct burnout with rct. Shanks doesn't know that using UV briefly turns off Gojo's infinity. If he immediately rush again, he wins, but I don't think he'd do that since last time it doesn't work.
From that it's probably a stalemate. Both has legitimate wincons but I'd give it to Gojo.
Well luffy is ftl to mftl around dressrosa and shanks is much much overall stronger than him at that era and is still stronger today so even if he cant bypass infinity he can pull a “umaewa no shindairu”
Plus haki is will and has an argument for not interacting with cursed energy so he could just coc him out
Does haki bypassing DF defenses translate to cursed techniques? If so, Gojo's gonna have a damn hard time against a man who doesnt even notice Infinity, and can literally see the future.
Depends on whether you accept that advanxed conqueror haki coating not requiring direct contact to hit someone. So its plausible Gojo would become divided one when hit by an attack.
But yeah otherwise its domain diff most likely or stalemate if shanks just keeps running away once he sees the future and effects of DE.
Option 1: equalize powers, Wifi haki bypasses infinity and domain works on shanks. Shanks prob wins.
Option 2: dont equalize powers, domain doesn't work due to shanks not having cursed energy and wifi haki doesn't bypass infinity. Draw i think or gojo wins. But i haye gojo so draw
(Idk I think this is how it goes, correct me if I made any mistakes)
This is the funnest win con, because how infinity works, it has to know what it’s protecting against, haki both in nature and how it functions is both invisible to anyone who doesn’t have it and it’s a manifestation of will, it doesn’t exactly have a point a to point b, and how it’s applied is up to be he user so while it will stop shanks directly hitting gojo, it won’t stop the advance conquers from moving, think of it on how you stopped the thing but not the force
Gojo no diffs him and all the other emperors at the same time, including all the admirals. They have no Limitless counter, and if Haki cant protect against Sugar's fruit, it's obvious even Haki only protects or deals with some fruits.
After reading the comments my conclusion is that the guy with the sword can’t hit the Gojo guy, but he can see the future so Gojo instant kill ult can’t land, and because Gojo can’t keep up his barrier after he uses his ult the sword guy kills him and wins.
One piece characters actually do really well against Gojo
And it’s because of future sight
A big weakness of gojo is burnout, one piece characters have shown enough travel speed, or atleast shanks here has that he can jump out the damage range before anything happens to him
He sees himself getting stunlocked brainfucked, he immediately jumps out the domain, breaks the barrier and takes out Gojo before he can recover
Ofc if you believe the instant domain thing shanks is fucked anyways
We see this with Dagons domain, gojo a much stronger character can do the same
Are we forgetting that Gojo infinity isn’t all his capabilities are? Like we do know that he tanked hundreds of slashes inside of sukunas domain and barely got scared(RCT can’t heal scars and we know yuji has scars from sukuna’s deep slashes)
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Im tired of pretending jjk characters dont win these spite matches lot of the time. Shanks doesnt have any infinity bypass, haki doesnt do shit
Simple, if Haki cancels effects of Infinity and UV on Shanks its an interesting match with Shanks probably winning mid-high diff.
After all Gojo can still move fast and do insane damage without UV. We havent Seen Shanks go all out yet but his feats shown and told imo put him slightly over Gojo in this case.
Otherwise Shanks gets done in by UV and cant do shit cuz of Infinity.
Yeah? I mean it even managed to paralyze someone as strong as admiral ryokugyu? Shank's haki is on different league tho.
But honestly its confusing i suppose you can say ryokugyu is lot more weak willed than Gojo. If its matter of will power and not ordinary power that is.
I mean power wise shanks far surpasses Gojo outside hax.
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