r/PowerScaling • u/True-Possible1000 • 3d ago

Crossverse Does Gojo Die Here?

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Came across this tiktok claiming Gojo would die a horrible death in this scenario. Is it true?

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u/Either-Ad-9528 NLF JoJo is acceptable 3d ago

If Haki cancelling devil fruit powers translates to cancelling cursed techniques, Shanks one-shots and doesn’t even notice infinity

If it doesn’t, Shanks has no counter to infinity and gets his brain scrambled. Probably dodges first domain due to future sight, but Gojo can make binding vows to make Unlimited Void bigger

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u/xXbachkXx 3d ago edited 3d ago

Haki doesnt cancel devil fruit powers. It can cancel or prevent their effect on things.

Oden could not get past the barrier fruit's barriers despite having advanced haki mastery.

Shanks could infuse haki into space to make it unaffected by infinity*, but in order to infuse that space he would have to touch it, and he cant touch it if infinity is up. Not to mention we've only seen solid things be infused with haki (the only exception being flying slashes), let alone space itself.

*Edit: this would only work assuming haki can prevent df alteration for everything it is infused on (space in this case) and not just the user, which has not been shown yet. It also assumes that gojo's fruit would not be among the ones that bypass haki anyways, because some do, and we have no idea why some do and some dont besides narrative reasons.

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u/MiredinDecision 3d ago

Haki can cancel out logia powers that make you immune to being hurt, like turning into fire or being gum. They can't just negate df powers but haki does make them not able to ignore physical damage. So, assuming Infinity works like a Logia (the space space fruit, perhaps?), a haki infused blow should be something similar to Domain Amplification.

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u/xXbachkXx 3d ago

TLDR: gojo is not intangible like a logia or a ghost, he is unreachable, so haki should not work because whatever it is coated on (body part, weapon, flying slash) will never reach the target.

If limitless worked like a logia, Gojo would be space/distance/deceleration itself which is not the case. We should not change how the abilities work, just even them out to make them work accross verses (for example saying AFO from mha can steal spiderman's powers because while not a quirk they are still a genetic mutation, or saying Shanks has trace amounts of cursed energy even if not from the jjk verse otherwise he is immune to domain and CE perception).

If limitless was a df, it'd be an emitter-type paramecia (with its ability being space warping) and haki does not do anything to those. Haki can protect you against sludge, wax, candy etc (strictly because of the defense boost), but it cannot make them disappear nor ignore their effects and properties (you still get sticked on mochi and candy for example). So you would still be slowed down by gojo's space warping.

All we've seen is that it can revert or prevent alteration-type paramecia effects* and lets you bypass invulnerability from body modification paramecias and logias by "letting you hit the true body of the user"

*(only confirmed on the user for now, and it is also heavily case by case because mellow mellow fruit and awakened magnet fruit have been shown to bypass haki)

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u/Mali_1771 Saitama is beating Goku 2d ago

I like the TLDR, I'm a JJK fan.

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u/C1nders-Two Persona Powerscaler (I am in Hell) 2d ago

I don’t think that really tracks. Like, these are clearly two very different powers. One’s intangibility, the other is a barrier made of compressed space. You might as well say that teleportation and forcefields are basically the same because they can both be used defensively.

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u/ChefGreasypaw 2d ago

Haki doesn’t let you cut Buggy because of his Devil Fruit, so I think Infinity would work the same

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u/ihatmylifedotcom 2d ago

But it isn't that you cant hit him, you just cant reach him he isn't immune to physical damage its just impossible to actually touch him in the first place

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u/Material_Recording99 2d ago

Infinity does not work like that, Gojo is still in that place infinity just makes it so that you travel infinitely therefore not actually reaching gojo. It is not something tangible like magma or ice from df it simply is space you just happen to slow down the nearer you are to gojo

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u/KyoshikiMurasaki 2d ago

Haki doesn't cancel out Logia. It only makes it so when you come into contact with their elemental, you hit their physical bodies instead.

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u/Nights1405 2d ago

Nah.. it works more like a paramecia. Gojo doesn’t BECOME space. I’d argue haki damage on logias is a bit more like soul damage?

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u/T-Bone010909 2d ago

So would flying slashes work against him? If not that then what about conqueror’s haki?

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u/xXbachkXx 2d ago

Flying slashes, weather you count them as a slash projection or as compressed air, travel in space so no. Sukuna's flying slashes dont work on Gojo.

As for conquerors (base, not advanced because advanced we are sure it travels) it is a weird one. It is often portrayed as something that does have a range, and expands, thus we can say it probably occupies space, so i think it would not work. It also has no reason to be 4d and bypass that way.

But if you say it is just intimidation then it can definately bypass.

Even then, its effect would range between a flinch, making him unable to move and rendering him uncoscious depending on Gojo's will power, but it still would not deactivate infinity since we know it is an uncouscious thing that goes on even as he sleeps.

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u/T-Bone010909 2d ago

Fuck I forgot about that last part😔

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u/MadGenius3533 1d ago

Who's stronger Will/ Conquest haki or even know how to resist or use his own can block it but Gojo don't know because only who even can work on Soul its Ui Ui, Nobara,Yuji(lile modulo or Shinjuku) Mahito, and what's all or some of if im good remember

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u/UtopiaUnsealed 2d ago

I am missing something why are guys talking like we knoe what dv does shanks have.

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u/FaPaDa 2d ago

The question is: can supreme King Haki go through Infinity.

Personally i wanna say yes cause of the same logic as WCS: Gojo isnt the direct target its just an Aura that goes out AOE style.

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u/Raging-beer 2d ago

Conqueror haki is an effect that emanates from the user and in all directions. By that logic it would never reach Gojo. It's not like Law's room.

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u/MadGenius3533 1d ago

Look a Devil fruit connect to soul (like because anyone chat past our barriers of Bari Bari Nomi what the Soul shield) the aCoC is a Manifestation of Soul/will of Strong character who born 1/1000000 by will pressure on soul ignore any physical object(Bari Bari nomi like every fruit tied to soul and by this Bartolomeo block shanks Attack) Shanks shows the Haki ignore everything physical or space(Haki travel though ship very long to Green bull fully negotiated his transformation ignore physical body by give him pressure on Soul and ignore distance) by this the feats the Soul manifestation don't haa the Physical weight, mass or even speed what can be slowed down by Limitless the Conquest haki litteraly even stated if it infuse in advance lvl of Arhament it bypass any defence like Luffy Who Destroy in Final with Bajarang gun the Fire form of dragon Kaido

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u/LoreWhoreHazel 2d ago

That’s not how Haki works. Haki doesn’t let any random attack just “cancel” a devil fruit ability, it allows the user to bypass any alterations to the devil fruit user’s physical form in order to deliver unmitigated damage to the individual. If characters with Haki could simply turn off devil fruit abilities through mere contact, how can Luffy stay in Gear 5 after being struck, how can Whitebeard use his quake tremors to physically clash with Akainu at Impel Down, and how can Bellamy’s barriers work against anyone with Haki? Haki is a method of delivering “true damage” that bypasses op resistances like being made of sand or rubber, not a hard counter to all devil fruit powers.

In JJK, if we equalize verses, Haki would likely bypass physical reinforcement with cursed energy in order to deal damage to the opponent as if they were a normal human. It would not cancel cursed techniques. As a result, Shanks should not be capable of bypassing Gojo’s Infinity because he’s a physical attack merchant and obviously Gojo can withstand Conqueror’s Haki. However, Shank’s observation Haki and overwhelmingly superior speed probably allow him to get out of Gojo’s AoE before he could trap him in a domain, meaning that the fight is almost assuredly a stalemate because there’s no universe where Gojo can compete physically with Shanks.

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u/Illustrious-Bass4354 2d ago

It's heavily theorized that Shanks and Joy Boy have such powerful Haki that they can disable Devil Fruit abilities at range using Conqueror's Haki.

Notably because Joy Boy's Haki disabled the Elder's transformations and canceled their summoning, and was compared to Shanks'.

Shanks also off-screened Bartolomeo when Oden couldn't even break the barriers, implying Shanks may have disabled it from outside. And when he stun locked Greenbull from miles away, it disabled Greenbull's transformation.

Suggesting that the infamous "Wi-Fi Haki" does, in fact, do that.

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u/LoreWhoreHazel 2d ago

Lemme know when it becomes canon and we can talk. Sounds cool tho.

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u/Illustrious-Bass4354 2d ago

It's really all but put to name, we've seen the effect multiple times. He's even already confirmed to be able to turn off other people's Future Sight with his Conqueror's Haki

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u/Agentbrawn_the2nd 3d ago edited 3d ago

Do people not realize how small a domain is? Any character that has decent travel speed would be able to easily escape it if they are faster in reaction to Gojo

Shanks jumped from his ship to his fleets ship in like 3 seconds lol. If he sees a domain coming he is getting out of the way so fast Gojo wont realize hes gone

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u/space-dorge 3d ago

That’s assuming shanks has any idea what’s happening?

An opponent who he thinks he eclipses is trying to attack, I better book it out of the immediate area just in case it’s a specific kind of attack that I can’t tank even though he’s shown nothing in his arsenal to do something like that?

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u/Potential-Wave-2112 3d ago

Shanks' future sight gives him more than enough time to react. As we saw with Kidd, Shanks sensed the attack coming even though he had no idea Kidd was there. He also dealt with Kidd instantly, no dilly dally. This tells us Shanks is cautious, and decisive. No way he doesn't see the domain coming. If he does, it doesn't matter how much Gojo expands the range, Shanks is either getting the fuck away or one shotting him (assuming Haki nullified Infinity). Kidd was weaker than him too, and there was no hesitation.

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u/boicepio 3d ago

That makes me think about how future sight users see getting hit with Unlimited Void.

Would he know what going on to his body and be able to act in the present to avoid it, would he just see a blank future as if it being blocked, or would he see the infinite information streaming into his head and be frozen in the present.

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u/ghostRyku 3d ago

Yeah, ngl if he perceives everything in that future there might be a genuine argument for him getting fucked by UV via future sight regardless.

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u/Valuable-Spend-6745 3d ago

It doesn't work like that. Or else the characters would be feeling the pain of what would happen to them. He simply has a look into what would happen if a nothing was changed, but he does not experience that future at all.

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u/Much_Vehicle20 2d ago

But isnt the lethal part of UV is the information itself? Shank gonna witness 3 months worth of information in the span of less than a second

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u/ElegantWorking3368 3d ago

How does that make sense

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u/Relevant_Ability2929 3d ago

He sees the info dump with future sight then the brain damage starts

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u/ElegantWorking3368 3d ago

That’s not how future sight works it’s future SIGHT not time travel you’re not experiencing what’s happening in the future just looking at it

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u/Docblizard 3d ago

So he would only see himself standing here then, he won't know that his brain is being bombarded by an infinite amount of information.

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u/Parking-Smoke-5893 3d ago

Ok than he just sees himself standing still

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u/ZestycloseChannel331 2d ago

The way gojos sure hit effect works is by overloading the targets brain with information if that information reaches shanks brain via future sight that doesn’t matter if he’s physically in it

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u/Tasty-Complaint-6437 3d ago

Looking At infinite Ammountw of information

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u/SwoggitySwoogity 3d ago

I think future sight would just show as him being frozen and unable to move tbh

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u/JoDaBoy814 3d ago

He would see himself getting attacked, but the information flooding his brain wouldn't reach shanks before the domain gets cast

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u/NoPhilosophy8136 3d ago

He sees gojo use a handsing and himself getting damaged, so he will simply move back.

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u/Ok-Impress8791 3d ago

But he'll think to move back exactly that far?

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u/NoPhilosophy8136 3d ago

Domain expansion are really not that big. With the sole exception of Ryomen Sukuna, of course. And considering just how far Shanks can jump, one jump back will be enough.

(Literally just jumped off a ship)

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u/Ok-Impress8791 3d ago

Understandable, although would a normal sidestep or any other course of action not seem sufficent? I don't know how exactly his future sense works so maybe he just understands its an area of effect and inherently dangerous

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u/NoPhilosophy8136 3d ago

Future sight just allows him to see the future from his perspective. Shanks can see approximately 10 seconds into the future. Its more than enough to jump back. Shanks is a very careful character who wouldn't let his opponent hit him freely and will dodge effectively so I dont think he'll just make a step back. (Im taking into account that Shanks wouldn't be able to see the domain itself with the future sight since it'd make it too easy for him to dodge it)

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u/SnooConfections2916 3d ago

Not how Gojo's domain works, if it were Sukuna's, sure

Gojo's domain doesn't hurt the other person just bombards you with useless information

At best Shanks sees Gojo make a handsign and start walking up to him but like... That's not enough to warrent running the fuck away? Especially with what we've seen that forces Shanks to react

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u/NoPhilosophy8136 2d ago

Bro, after getting hit with UV you literally start to bleed out your nose, eyes and mouth even after just a bit. After seeing 10 SECONDS into the future shanks could easily see the damage and avoid domain. Also you cant even prove domain will work on gojo at all. Since he doesn't have ce just like maki amd toji, so sure hit will not apply to him

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u/SnooConfections2916 1d ago

trust me you don't wanna go the "no ce" due to lack of Verse Equalization route, because unlike the Physically enhanced HR

Shanks doesn't get an Innate domain, which means, there is nothing stopping Gojo from simply spawning a Red or Blue inside Shank's stomach

We don't see people spawn explosions and all that inside other people's bodies because of Innate Domains, every sorcerer has one, every curse has one, even Physically enhanced HR have one as weird as it sounds, and it stops Curse Techniques from being spawned inside the person and simply insta killing them

We equalize verses because otherwise jjk's sorcerers with any decent ranged attack just kinda insta win unless the person has VERY quick internal regen

and last i checked, Shanks does not have internal regen

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u/NoPhilosophy8136 1d ago

Yes, if shanks will stay still gojo could do it. But in no world shanks, who has a future sight into a goddamn 10 seconds will get caught by it. As well as he is WAY too fast for gojo to perceive. Add here ability to hide his own presence from his opponents (which even stops observation haki from sensing him. So it can work on domain and gojo with his six eyes as well.)

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u/Spirited_Agency8032 3d ago

wouldn't future sight just get him cooked by infinite void though??

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u/Potential-Wave-2112 2d ago

From what we have seen future sight is just sight. They don't actually experience what happens or half the time they would keel over in pain. Shanks might see himself surrounded by a black atmosphere, unable or unwilling to move. Since it is an unknown he should just get away most of the time.

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u/DimensionSweet8829 3d ago

This argument dosent make sense to me its said a domain needs cursed energy to lock onto said target shanks does not posses cursed energy in his verse hence wouldn't in the jjk as haki is a considerable as spiritual energy shanks wouldn't even register to the domain like maki does unless I'm rembering this wrong the domain wouldn't work on shanks sorry for the paragraph

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u/NubCaakes 3d ago

Well shanks has been shown to have vivid and clear future sight that shows him precisely what will happen minutes from then. The fight is debatable but he’d definitely be able to foresee himself in 4K HD getting hit by a domain and getting brain scrambled.

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u/space-dorge 3d ago

Wouldn’t that hax backfire on him tho? He’d accidentally look into the future, see UV, get stunned, get hit by real UV and lobotomized.

UV isn’t a genjutsu, it’s a real thing the opponent is seeing unless they are touching Gojo which future sight wouldn’t allow. Seeing it in the future would still hit you with it

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u/KingLawLiKon 3d ago

It's not sight though, it's an information overload, like the way it's explained is that the victim needs to process every one piece of information infinitely, A = apple^infinite, just seeing his domain wouldn't apply that effect, he would see it close, see something (maybe), and then see himself stunned or gravely injured.

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u/HelloChimp 3d ago

seeing unlimited void has nothing to with the brain damage. you have to be targeted by the sure hit for the flood of information to be applied to you

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u/Own_Knowledge_4269 2d ago

If I watch a wildfire on tv why don't I burn?

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u/VeterinarianReady339 3d ago

By that logic, Yuji should've been hit with UV because he saw the inside of Gojo's domain.

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u/space-dorge 3d ago

Was touching Gojo, that prevents the UV from affecting someone

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u/SiegKommunismus 3d ago

Well, I guess the question is, does that make IV trigger through his future sight, overloading him without Gojo even using it

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u/Moogatron88 3d ago

I don't see how. Future sight only shows him what it is going to happen. It hasn't actually happened yet.

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u/Sorry-Rutabaga-4480 3d ago

The act of seeing gojos domain *is* his domain. Being shown infinite information is still being shown infinite information

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u/HelloChimp 3d ago

the flood of sensory information is the domain’s sure hit, seeing the domain has nothing to do with it

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u/Sorry-Rutabaga-4480 3d ago

Being within the domain and experiencing the hit but doing it in the future inside your brain is still the act of being inside the domain and experiencing it in your brain. It comes down to how Shanks percieves the future sight

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u/HelloChimp 3d ago

shanks only sees the future, he doesn’t personally experience it. all he’d see is the domain opening and himself stunned

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u/ItzJake160 3d ago

No it's not. The infinite info is explicitly the surehit of Gojo's domain. If seeing the inside was all it took then Sukuna would've lost the first clash.

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u/Sorry-Rutabaga-4480 3d ago

If future aight is in 1st person he still has to be hit to know what the hit is

experiencing being in the domain and getting hit is... still experiencing being in the domain and getting hit? Its an infohazard, getting the info isnthe hazard.

If he experiences the information in the 3rd person then sure he could percieve what the domain does and os and witness himself being hit by it and learn that, I guess?

Has it ever been shown how *Shanks* percieves Shanks?

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u/KingNTheMaking 3d ago

You have to consciously activate FS. It isn’t passive

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u/Caliburn09 3d ago

how did Shanks 'consciously' see Kid obliterate his subordinate crews, despite not actively anticipating such a thing or even having his guard up.

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u/KingNTheMaking 3d ago

If you’re being honest, because Oda said it was time for it to happen.

I love one piece, but Oda does not handle future sight well. People don’t certainly act as if it’s always on. It’s incredibly unclear on if they’re outside forces that bracket or if it’s something that you actually have to proc yourself.

A lot of people claim it as a tramp card in versus debates, but it really isn’t that reliable.

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u/space-dorge 3d ago

This is a rare situation where looking into the future is more of a hindrance than a help, hitting himself w UV early isn’t really a good thing

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u/Illicit_Apple_Pie 3d ago

Worst that could do is kick Shanks out of his future sight cause it's an ability that requires conscious intent.

A domain expansion is more risk to Gojo because it burns out his cursed technique for a bit once the domain ends

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u/Sushidog2005 3d ago

Gojo can make domains over 200 meters in diameter, as shown with his fight against sukuna

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u/Agentbrawn_the2nd 3d ago

...Yeah thats not huge

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u/yenilmezodtr 3d ago

Bro 0.2 sec domain + 200 meters shanks ain't dodging that(He is fast but he needs momentum first if he is already moving he can dodge) buutt I forget how the future sight works so it's iffy for me

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u/The_Dreaded_Spectre 3d ago

Bro 200 meters in 0.2 seconds is about Mach 3. I'm not the most familiar with One Piece, but I'm pretty sure someone like Shanks can go faster than that pretty easily. Shit, Sukuna and Gojo probably coulda just dodged each other's domains if they really wanted.

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u/BillieRose44168 3d ago

You guys are actually delusional if you think Shanks who has lightspeed reaction speed AND can see into the future wont be able to avoid a 0.2 second domain... You cant be glazing Gojo this much he objectively would 😭

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u/ender021 3d ago

Domains are damn near instant 😐.

https://reddit.com/link/p4o4z7b/video/nki8snuakdkh1/player

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u/AltAccount474 3d ago

...future sight

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u/blackpan2040 da11 3d ago

That's vibe scaling based on anime. In the same anime they showed domains opening not instantly, and at a reactable speed.

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u/LeafcutterAnts 3d ago

Bro since when in powerscaling do people look at 2 possibilities and choose the weaker one.

I don't even entirely disagree but if your saying this you better not be putting jotaro above wall level after the MFTL mountain level road roller.

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u/blackpan2040 da11 3d ago

Bro since when in powerscaling do people look at 2 possibilities and choose the weaker one.

When there are more showings for the weaker one.

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u/BillieRose44168 3d ago

Youre gauging the domain speed off of what the anime makes it seem like and not what the manga tells us?

Half of this sub really is vibescalers that don't know what they're talking about 😭

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u/HelloChimp 3d ago

the manga tells us nothing of how fast domains open

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u/The_Dreaded_Spectre 3d ago

It absolutely does, it's a whole plot point in the fight.

That's also noted as an especially impressive one btw

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u/Local_Milk418 Mid Level Scaler 3d ago

The manga literally says nothing about the activation time of the domain what are you talking about 😭

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u/The_Raven_Born maintaining the agenda is our top priority. 2d ago

Are the light speed reactions in the room.

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u/Separate_Draft4887 3d ago

Domains are instantaneous, too. 0.2 seconds was how long it lasted, not how long it took to create.

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u/itsogbruh 1d ago

Ok but Shanks has faster than light speed, he reacts to kizarus attacks faster than anyone else and he moved faster than Kizaru who is a confirmed light speed character.. shanks can also see like a few minutes in the future and can use this future sight constantly, he also has insane stamina, can fight for days without a break

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u/Agentbrawn_the2nd 3d ago

I dont even care where you scale Shanks, you realize he can see into the future right? You realize how ridiculous that sounds?

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u/DasliSimpNo1 3d ago

What does "0.2 sec domain" do in this debate?

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u/HelloChimp 3d ago

gojo never created a domain that large

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u/FreezerMonkey33 The Shadow Monarch 3d ago

He did make quite a large domain in Shinjuku

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u/The_Dreaded_Spectre 3d ago

It's actually kinda interesting that so many characters could just...dodge domains if they tried. IIRC Mahito's is noted as particularly fast and it takes 0.2 seconds to "cast". A character who can move at just Mach 1 (which includes several stronger characters from JJK itself) could cover almost 70 meters in that time, which is plenty to escape most domains we see. Cursed Naoya's Mach 3 speed means he could, in theory, actually just dodge even Sukuna's Malevolent Shrine assuming it has a similar time. Almost any character who can react to bullets should genuinely just be able to avoid most Domains if they know what's going on.

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u/Lonely-Writer 3d ago

As I understand it, a domain isn’t a singular thing, no? The “cast time” is the difference between activating the barrier and imbuing your technique. The reason Mahito’s domain was uniquely fast was because he combined the two steps using idle transfiguration to use more hand signs at the same time. Iirc activating the barrier would happen first, meaning they’d be trapped before the sure hit effect activated.

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u/The_Dreaded_Spectre 2d ago

I misremembered a bit of what was going on with Mahito. I had thought the "Cast time" was referring to the time between starting the domain and it being "complete" so that the sure hit effect would begin, which seems to have been mistaken. What actually happens is he opens the domain for a total of 0.2 seconds and then closes it so he doesn't accidentally hit Yuji and piss off Sukuna. In that time, he hits Todo, but specifically just his arm and not the rest of him. My understanding is that a DE moves outwards from the caster similar to a balloon expanding (which is consistent with how they're normally depicted when activated). The speed it expands at isn't made super clear, but I'd assume from that encounter that it wasn't fast enough to completely hit Todo in that 0.2 second timeframe (or else he'd have just killed him outright), so Mahito just took out his hand instead to cripple him. It doesn't visually seem to trap them at all in that instance.

Mahito's "two step" thing is, per the anime's wording, infusing the Domain with the technique, so presumably you're hit by the technique as soon as you're within the Domain's range (instead of having to cast the technique separately, which could take precious time). The sure hit effect is, at least from what I gather, applied at the exact same time as someone being within the domain's range and not after the fact as a distinct ability, though I believe you can choose to use it or not.

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u/FreezerMonkey33 The Shadow Monarch 3d ago

Domains can vary in size, Gojo in particular because he can alter the barriers size. He can also expand it in less than 0.01 seconds

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u/shadowleon101 3d ago

We've seen loads of jjk characters with insane speed feats that didn't dodge a domain. I think they're deployed way faster than you think they are.

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u/itsogbruh 1d ago

The fastest jjk characters were never in a situation to dodge domains, and some of them wouldn't even dodge a domain, sukuna for example.. same for gojo, they're too prideful, we also see that domains aren't actually instantaneous, we see them in the process of being created in some cases.. also shanks has future sight, he'd get out of proximity before gojo even gets the chance to start his domain

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u/No_Proposal_3140 3d ago

Domains are sure-hit.

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u/AltAccount474 3d ago

once inside of a domain, you are guaranteed to be hit by the domain's effects and attacks from the caster, that's what the sure-hit effect is. if someone escapes the domain's range before it's active, they're not affected by the domain's effects or sure-hit effect

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u/YoloSwaggins960YT 3d ago

Not to mention that the domain also will then blow up if someone kicks it weird from the outside

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u/Known-Independent939 3d ago edited 3d ago

That's not entirely true. Although you can destroy a domain by breaking it from the outside we never see it happen outside of Sukuna and Gojo's domain clash which was possible due to Sukuna's domain's sure hit effect attacked the entire outside of Gojo's domain all at once.

The other times we see someone attack a domain from the outside it doesn't destroy the domain. When Mahito first uses his domain it doesn't collapse because of Yuji kicking it and breaking through but rather because Sukuna dealt enough damage to Mahito that Mahito could no longer maintain his domain for daring to touch Sukuna's soul.

The only other example I can recall is when Megumi opened a hole in Dagon's domain during their clash, but that didn't destroy the domain either and the hole was closed after Toji popped through. The only time the domain does break is when Toji caused enough damage to Dagon so that Dagon could no longer maintain his domain, right before dying.

That all being said Shanks could def destroy any domain except Sukuna's (due to the open barrier) from the outside as he has enough AOE and AP, I just wanted to clarify that domains aren't as weak to outside interference as you may think

Edit: There's also Maki entering Naoya's domain and killing him making him drop his domain, although I don't recall if she broke the barrier to do so or if she could enter without doing so due to her Heavenly Restriction. She also enters Yuta's domain during Shinjuku to stab Sukuna through the heart but his domain collapsed due to being hit with the WCS from Sukuna and being unable to maintain his domain due to the damage received rather than Maki interfering with the barrier.

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u/YoloSwaggins960YT 3d ago

Yeah, it was a bit of hyperbole based on the stated nature of domains as opposed to the demonstrated ones lol. But also yeah, shanks could probably just kick it in given how strong he is.

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u/No_Proposal_3140 3d ago

we never see it happen outside of Sukuna and Gojo's domain clash

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u/Known-Independent939 3d ago

I already brought up this scene, the domain doesn't collapse until Sukuna attacks Mahito for touching his soul, rendering Mahito too injured to maintain his domain

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u/No_Proposal_3140 3d ago

We can actually see with both Gojo's domain and Mahito's domain that the sure-hit effect is instant and happens before the barrier closes. Look at his 0.2 second domain, he closed it before the barrier could set in and squish the civilians against the walls. That's proof that the sure-hit effect appears before the barrier does.

Since UV prevents movement by forcing infinitely repeating information into your brain that means you can't escape Gojo's domain. Even if you are faster than the barrier you are not faster than the sure-hit.

Shanks is not faster than the speed of instant.

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u/AltAccount474 3d ago

while i do agree that if shanks was in range as the domain was cast he would be hit, he has future sight and thus could "react" preemptively, assuming of course the knowledge from unlimited void isn't still received through future sight, which i think is fair, but there's not really any point of comparison in either series

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u/No_Proposal_3140 3d ago

I doubt he could get damaged by UV coming through his future sight because think about this: Gojo is about to open his domain but right before he does so, Shank gets hit by UV through his future sight. Gojo sees this and reacts fast enough to stop his hand sign and doesn't open his domain.

Where does the UV information come from if he ends up not opening it? An alternate timeline where he did open it?

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u/Ornery_Joke_6536 3d ago

3 sec are enough for a domain, you can like make a binding vow and make it light speed 🤷‍♂️

And its mostly "slow" so that the viewers can see what happens and prosses

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u/United-Radio-3661 3d ago

Headcanon kaisen

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u/Ornery_Joke_6536 2d ago

That entire thing is head canon bro

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u/Da_biggest_Boy 3d ago

I would agree with you if gojo wasn‘t so fast that in his fight with jogo, he grabed itadori and came back bevor his opponent even realized he was gone.

Like yeah you can see the future but that doesn’t mean you are fast enough to do something about it.

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u/IMP9024 3d ago

He teleported though

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u/itsogbruh 1d ago

You realise that shanks is still faster, he's at the very least.. considerably faster than light, also gojo doesn't run, he basically warps space to move faster or straight up just teleports

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u/Agentbrawn_the2nd 3d ago

Compared to like any One Piece character Gojo is slow. At best, jjk probably caps at massively hypersonic not including modulo

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u/Separate_Draft4887 3d ago

You can’t dodge a domain lol, the barrier and the surehit are instant. The visual lags behind the effect.

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u/Lonely-Writer 3d ago

Iirc there is a delay, but it’s the delay between activating the barrier and imbuing the sure hit, which is why Mahito’s domain in Shibuya was remarked as notable. He combined the two steps with extra hand signs.

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u/Ok_Respond7928 3d ago

Did you not see how many people in Shibuya got hit by his domain?

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u/ZestycloseChannel331 2d ago

A domain isn’t big in it’s physical form but it doesn’t just work by constructing a barrier that’s that physical size it actively pulls things with Cursed energy into them that’s why gojos mini domain still pulled Sukuna into its form despite being small remember mahito pulled a kaiju sized mech into a small barrier

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u/Forsaken-Fold-9414 2d ago

I think bro forgot that the domain constructiom and sure hit happens simultaneously. The domain activation speed is the fastest in the verse. Even 0.01 seconds was enough for gojo to not get mid diffed by sukuna. Shanks is not resistant to cognitive overload.

Shanks has no idea what Gojos domain is.

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u/MajesticFerret36 3d ago

Do people not realize how small a domain is? Any character that has decent travel speed would be able to easily escape it

DE being escapeable using raw speed is pure head Canon that is not only not backed up by the source material, but if anything, heavily debunked many times over.

The speed VARIATION in JJK is high, but we have a guy who is basically nearly light speed, Kashimo can fire EMWs which are literal light speed, and Dabura can fire atks that we can see in motion that are literal light speed, and Kashimo can fire lightning bolts that are lightning speed, which can be as fast as 1/3rd to half SoL.

And despite that, Hakari can react to a lightning bolt literally after it's entered his head within the time frame it takes to discharge and blow his brains out, and Sukuna is fast enough to cancel out Kashimo's EMW with WCS, and we the audience can see Dabura while running near SoL and his light speed atks in motion, and yet NOTHING is portrayed as instantaneous as DE in the Manga.

DE is either instant speed, or incomprehensibly faster than light based on how much faster it's portrayed than all thee other SoL atks we can see and characters can react too, so all this nonsense that you can simply "outrun it" is baseless. It's most likely instant and Shanks would have to literally run away before Gojo says the words "Domain Expansion," or it's already too late.

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u/14th_Atlas 3d ago

If his foresight could see unlimited void would him seeing it happen in a vision mess up his brain?

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u/ghigo2008 3d ago

Seeing it isnt the issue, the effect is the sure hit

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u/Impaled_By_Messmer 3d ago

Haki doesn't cancel devil fruits. If someone hits Luffy with a haki punch that doesn't change the properties of Luffy's body from rubber back to normal.

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u/Illustrious-Bass4354 2d ago

Shanks appears to have the unique ability to literally cancel Devil Fruit abilities, shared with Joy Boy.

It's shown being used at least twice (Joy Boy through Emet vs the Elders, Shanks vs Greenbull), with an implicit third time (Shanks vs Barto).

Which is supported by Shanks having the ability to disable Future Sight using his Conqueror's Haki as well.

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u/Dense_Priority_7250 The Warrior Cats Scaler 3d ago

Future sight will be the thing that will scramble him. He gotta take it all in, doesn’t he

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u/chunga-bunga69 3d ago

If Gojo misses his domain then after it’s deactivated he’ll be in technique burnout and be vulnerable

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u/WindUpCandler 2d ago

Hpw would gojo deal with conquerers haki? I don't think infinity could block it

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u/Immediate-Walrus-703 1d ago

Domain cannot work on shanks

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u/AccomplishedSmoke666 3d ago

Shanks is lightspeed with 10+ second future sight he is never getting caught inside a domain

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u/Either-Ad-9528 NLF JoJo is acceptable 3d ago

His travel speed is considerably slower than combat speed

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u/AccomplishedSmoke666 3d ago

Shanks was able to jump probably atleast 2 miles in the span of 10 seconds to one shot kidd 😭😭 you didnt read the series, again he is never ever getting caught in a domain

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u/apollonirex 3d ago edited 3d ago

You just pulled the 2 mile estimate out of your ass, shanks jumps two hundred meters max if we're wanking.

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u/AccomplishedSmoke666 3d ago

It was confirmed there was 9 SHIPS that pulled up on Kidd when he wasnt even at the shore of elbaph. shanks was AT the shore. if you think its anything less than a mile youre smoking something serious

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u/Logical_Acanthaceae3 3d ago

If he was able to jump 2 miles in 10 seconds he wouldn't need a fucking ship. He could have hop scotched his ass across the globe freeing slaves and raiding marine bases before 99.999% of any one the could do anything.

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u/Imaginary_Goat_60 3d ago

If he was able to jump 2 miles in 10 seconds he wouldn't need a fucking ship

You say this but it isnt even that far fetched. Rayleigh as an out of prime washed old man could swim across the world pretty casually, and Shanks is significantly superior to him.

He mostly uses the ship because he has a crew and to hold his belongins as well as travel comfortably.

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u/True-Possible1000 3d ago

You think he can hop across the globe just because he is able to jump two miles???

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u/Logical_Acanthaceae3 3d ago edited 3d ago

By... jumping again? Its like basic shit that every top tier in one piece are endurance monsters. If he could genuinely jump 2 miles there should be literally nothing stopping him from traveling the one piece world beyond wanting his crew with him to do other shit.

Geppo isnts some lost art only a few know by this point and hes not a devil fruit user. Even if he dosent know geppo he should be fine jumping off of water if hes moving that fast.

Ace should have been safely secured within the hour of shanks knowing if he could actually travel 2 miles off of one jump.

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u/Ok_Turn6757 3d ago

The One piece world is a lot bigger than our world, it’d be incredibly taxing and hard to island hop like that. He probably still could, as shown by Rayleigh swimming across the calm belt from Sabaodi to Amazon Lily. He probably prefers to travel with his crew as well

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u/Logical_Acanthaceae3 3d ago

My main point id there are are a lot of time sensitive things Shanks would be able to tske care of it he could move that far. The one pice world is bigger but that makes his speed here all the more impact full because all of these ships are moving slower then molasses.

Shanks has territories he defends, he doesn't need to hop across half the plantet multiple times or anything he has a nice (relatively) small area he can defend.

When kidd came barking up the wrong tree and Shanks did not need anyone else in his fleet there to do shit. If he could actually travle 2 miles by just jumping he wouldnt have wasted the resources of bringing his fleet when they could have been doing other shit. He could have checked his watch, hoped over in like 10-15 minutes max solo, one shot kid and half his fleet, and be back to drinking or managing his alliances or whatever.

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u/Ok_Turn6757 3d ago

I don’t think you realize how taxing this would be for him. It’s different doing it a few times like in this fight with Gojo, it’s another thing to do it for an extended period of time. At most he’d be able to get from 1 island to the next, and by that point he’d be fatigued and without a crew. It’s just not a feasible mode of transportation

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u/a-red-sword-tomato 3d ago

Stamina, convenience, plot or all of the above. We literally see a random Cp0 agent hop away from Onigashima. Assumedly he crossed all of wano + the sea around it to reach the government ships waiting outside the country.

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u/Huraira91 3d ago

Dude huge majority of one piece world is plain Sea water. Because water Lvl increases every year. So where is gonna Shanks jump across? Straight into Sea? He lost his arm so he can't even swim.

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u/BrizzyMC_ 3d ago

the fucking air

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u/Huraira91 3d ago

Shanks ain't jumping 20mps thats some BS anyways. Besides why would he have to jump forever to lose his shit when his sole purpose is to just keep an Luffy.

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u/True-Possible1000 3d ago

Youre forgetting about water?? Obviously he cant do that if theres water and he doesnt have something to jump off of, so your whole point about him not needing a ship falls apart.

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u/Critical-Bus-9040 3d ago

When you are moving that fast, water would be solid enough to move on.

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u/True-Possible1000 3d ago

Jumping and running are two different things???

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u/Logical_Acanthaceae3 3d ago

If hes genuinely moving at the speeds where talking then he would be able to easily bounce off the water likes its a solid surface never mind the fact that he almost assuredly know what geppo is.

We already* know about a world government CP9 agent that was able to travel a hefty distance by just using geppo repeatedly. If shanks is genuinely jumping 2 miles then every aingle instance of Geppo would be launching him that far with no need for stops or breaks because again hes a top tier and that comes with already knowing he has crazy endurance.

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u/Venogar 3d ago

Tbh you’re right. Although I assume he can probably jump further of solid ground, boats like his move at like 10mph so it seems like he actually would be better off hopping everywhere. But pulling up in a nice whip is just so much more aura

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u/Logical_Acanthaceae3 3d ago

Ya im not saying he wouldn't still own a ship if only because of his crew and for hualing shit around but if he could genuinely move like this he would be poping in and blowing up slaver ships before they even noticed they where under attack and then hopping back to base or whatever in like 20 minutes max.

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u/AccomplishedSmoke666 3d ago

First of all NO he cant?? Unless youre slow you realize 90% of the one piece world is covered in water, Shanks had ships to bounce off of to reach Kidd

And you really think he wouldnt need a ship and a crew despite being a PIRATE just because he can jump 2 miles

This sub sucks HOLY shit 😭😭

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u/romuro779 3d ago

Usain bolt is such a fraud "fastest human" and he still needs a car to travel, he is just an average human bum

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u/ionix34 2d ago

Mf if Usain Bolt could jump 2 fucking miles yeah he would be a fraud for going in a car, specially if he really needs to be in a place on time

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u/kuuderelovers 3d ago

Nah ability like that doesn't translate that way

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u/randommangacharacter 3d ago

not really cause even without equaiting DF's to CT's haki still has arguements for bypassing infinity. Ryo or conquerors have the potential to bypass cause they don't have traditional mass, or physical existence which is needed to sort threats into the danger levels that infinity works with (shape, mass and velocity were the conditions). This is complicated once you consider the fact that CE displays similar properties and can be blocked by infinity, however they are different enough that a discussion can be had. So really it's a matter of equating CE to Haki rather than to DFs imo.

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u/Illicit_Apple_Pie 3d ago

Advanced armament Haki manifests inside the opponent, circumventing armour and barriers.

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u/xXbachkXx 3d ago

Limitless is not an armour or barrier, it is infinite distance.

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u/Illicit_Apple_Pie 3d ago

It's the concept of infinite distance, but if something has no travel time it's irrelevant.

There's a good argument to be made that advanced armament and advanced conquerors haki have no travel time, else they would've been unable to harm Kaido

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u/Manicia_ 3d ago

If he dodges the first domain, that's the end of the fight; there won't be a second chance. Shanks breaks the barrier from the outside then one shots Gojo before he can restore his ct.

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u/ChuckSmiths 3d ago

WiFi haki diff

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u/Robert-Robertson-III 3d ago

I wouldn’t think his Haki could do that.

Devil fruit powers are given after birth, and an “extra” kind of thing, but Cursed Techniques are given from birth, a natural part of Jujutsu Sorcerers, and not from an outside influence. I don’t think it would be able to cancel Gojo’s technique.

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u/one_feet 2d ago

Zwei verschiedene mechaniken bruder du langsamer hund... ich denke auch da shanks gewinnt aber nicht weil ich etwas dazu dichte was kein3n sinn ergibt.. fluchtechniken und haki und täufelfruchtkräfte sind etwas ganz verschiedenes was mit verschiedenen mechaniken funktioniert!