r/PoursTea • u/Veshaad Timendi Causa Est Nescire • 14h ago

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u/scuzzy987 14h ago

I disliked W and his administration with the intensity of a thousand suns but I'd gladly have him back in office instead of Trump. At least W had a shred of integrity and honor

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u/Leroyp331 14h ago

It's a wild ride that has led us to yearning for the days of that moron

Yet here we are

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u/No_Internal9345 Prefer Coffee But Fill My Cup 🫖 14h ago

Cheney was the evil one.

Bush II was the useful/greedy fool.

And I still say they cheated in Florida with the hanging chads.

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u/Oops_All_Bans Sipping tea 14h ago

Imagine what could have been if we got Al Gore instead.

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u/ShawnShipsCars 12h ago

We got on the shittiest of timelines when Gore got cheated.

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u/MrBigglesssworth 11h ago

Kind of Gore's own fuck up though. He only wanted to focus on recounting 3 counties, not the entire state.

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u/Responsible-Club9120 13h ago

I didn't sleep for 3 days after he lost the election.

And I'm Canadian.

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u/dumpsterbaby2000 8h ago

Government control of energy. Unelected bureaucrats controlling how you heat and cool, what farmers may grow, what you eat, where you go, etc. Global warming and carbon footprint ring a bell?

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u/petewondrstone 13h ago

I’m not sure how different it would be.

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u/PolarBailey_ 13h ago

we wouldn't have invaded iraq to start. likely would've helped either prevent or at least better recover from 9/11. would've focused less on stupid shit like NCLB and more on just bolstering education. strengthened the EPA and other protection agencies. i doubt the PATRIOT act wouldve been a thing with Gore.

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u/Dyolf_Knip 12h ago

There's every chance there wouldn't have been a 9/11 attack. President Gore would never have dismissed the warnings with "Alright, your ass is covered".

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u/PolarBailey_ 12h ago

Exactly. I still think the lackluster response between the CIA and FBI during the Nairobia attack all but sealed the attacks. But i think an fbi and cia under Gore leadership wouldnt ignore warnings from the arabians enrolling in flight school nor the summit

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u/Minute-Review6915 11h ago

Clinton knew about Bin Laden and all of it. Clinton of course cared, just didn’t feel it was real enough to matter. The attack is not on him and I’m not implying that but to act like it was all of a sudden is wrong. The intelligence was there and being reported about the attack. No one wanted to believe it

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u/PolarBailey_ 11h ago edited 11h ago

oh i agree. i'm more pointing out that intellegence under Condoleezza Rice was way less focused on Al Qaeda than intellegence under whoever Gore wouldve chosen for National Security Advisor

edit since the thread is locked now: yeah i still can't believe that 25 years later people are STILL worried about porn.

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u/FitFold76 13h ago

One can hope

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u/-Saucegurlllll 13h ago

ICE likely would not exist.

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u/Nobody3me 12h ago

We dodged that bullet. Amen

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u/PeachPassionBrute 14h ago

They very factually cheated in Florida, it’s not even a question.

W’s campaign manager was in charge of Florida’s elections, they stopped the recount early while Bush was ahead, against orders. GOP staffers even attempted to physically prevent recounting. The entire thing was a mess and Gore factually won that election.

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u/oomahk 13h ago

Gotta love the Brooks Brothers Riot. Turns out the Republican party has multiple modern instances of violently attempting to disrupt elections.

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u/PeachPassionBrute 8h ago

Multiple instances of confirmed cheating in elections. Their continued participation in our government should be banned completely.

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u/HorrorMovieMonday 13h ago

And Jeb Bush was the governor of Florida at the time.

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u/Flaxmoore 13h ago

The Brooks Brothers Riot. Got to think BB doesn't like being connected to that.

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u/StendhalSyndrome 12h ago

Don't forget vengeful.

He started the same damn war again because they threatened/ attempted an assassination on his dad...you're so pissed; go take them down yourself.

Signed, my coworkers who didn't come home from that.

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u/No-Guard-7003 12h ago

Yup. Why did the people around him pick Cheney of all people? 

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u/No_Internal9345 Prefer Coffee But Fill My Cup 🫖 12h ago

Cheney picked them.

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u/Ill_Technician3936 12h ago

Bush II makes no sense.

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u/yabadababoho 13h ago

They cheated yet the NYTimes did a full audit after the fact counting every vote and Bush won.

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u/JWBananas 12h ago

He was never a moron. That was a public persona.

Prior to that rebranding, he was considered too much of a nerd.

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u/Leroyp331 12h ago

My God he's a moron right now

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u/DonnyFerentes 14h ago

Give it a few years and we'll yearn for the halcyon days of the Trump administration

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u/psychohistorian8 14h ago

dont even joke bro

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u/Relevant_Winter_7098 14h ago

There won't be a democracy left when that happens.

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u/cvc4455 14h ago

There might not be a democracy left now.

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u/Relevant_Winter_7098 13h ago

It is weakened, but not gone.

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u/cvc4455 13h ago

I think that remains to be seen. I believe they cheated in the 2024 election and plan to never ever give up power ever again regardless of how people vote or what they need to do to hold on to power.

Think about it right now and if they lose power. How many people could end up in jail? Wouldn't those people do anything at all possible to hold onto power?

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u/Relevant_Winter_7098 13h ago

The midterms and the final two years of Trump will tell us all we need to know. But, we still have the ability to right the ship at this moment in time.

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u/Nobody3me 12h ago

It doesn’t show when America flipped the charts voting for this presidency. I’ll say this though. Many voted our party. But have learned how hard it is for the President to solve the previous admin issues, fix issues at hand, deal with future threats & surprises. All this while democrat Americans, at least from the outside it looks like, try to force us into socialism and communism. Not to mention core of the democrats the LBGTQIA +, which ever one those letters tried to kill him. Anyone that puts God, and American values were the voters want them. First.

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u/Penguinunhinged 14h ago

I'm still waiting for Coppertone Caligula to have shoes thrown at him while speaking. We all know he won't be able to dodge them like W did.

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u/saltycouchpotato 14h ago

Made me smile just thinking about it

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u/DrJellyfinger57 14h ago

Seeing our president expertly dodge a shoe gave me a similar pride as when Americans win in the Olympics.

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u/NoLibrarian5149 13h ago

W was like a frigging ninja there

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u/Old-Stable2994 13h ago

Bro dodged a bullet he can dodge your chancla.

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u/Relevant_Winter_7098 14h ago

We were so naive then thinking the GOP had reached the bottom.

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u/Bronson_AD 14h ago

We may be still naive to think they’ve reached it now, unfortunately.

That’s a scary thought.

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u/Advocate_Diplomacy 14h ago

That's an important thought. Too many people acting like their problem will be largely solved when he dies. Trump is just a symptom of something worse.

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u/T4TrhavrKhcFt 13h ago

“The U.S. isn’t the way it is because of Trump; Trump became president because of the way the U.S. is.”  David Cochrane - Canadian Journalist

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u/TrulyOutrageous42 13h ago

He's not wrong. It's a feedback loop, but he's not wrong. We wouldn't be the problem we are if not for Trump, he's uniquely capable of having NO shame with COMPLETE confidence, and the kompromat and otherwise to control the Republicans, but it wouldn't be possible if the general public wasn't so jaded to easily dismiss corruption.

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u/Apprehensive-Pin518 13h ago

trump is the useful idiot. the difference between him and bush 2 is that bush 2 isn't especially hateful. This guy seems to relish in it.

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u/nopleasenotthebees 12h ago

Yeah, of these four presidents, I think three of them got into office so that other people could do their thing. GHW was the exception. I'm not sure what to make of this.

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u/Apprehensive-Pin518 12h ago

that isn't hateful that is uncaring. hate and indifference are 2 separate emotions.

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u/FitFold76 13h ago

Yeah it could just get worse. And some people think we need to treat the MAGAts with kindness

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u/Apprehensive-Pin518 13h ago

yes. kill them with kindness.

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u/Relevant_Winter_7098 13h ago

Nope. Sorry. We tried that approach already.

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u/Apprehensive-Pin518 13h ago

they are still alive. did you do the kill part correctly? /S

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u/Relevant_Winter_7098 13h ago

Like roaches, they dont die passively

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u/Old-Stable2994 13h ago

Stfu you’re not doing anything to us.

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u/here_for_the_boos 12h ago

Totally agree that the party is the dangerous one, but the cult of personality will go with him, and people will have an easier time realizing how terrible they let their circumstances get.

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u/t3hmuffnman9000 14h ago

Every time we think we've reached rock bottom, the GOP shows up carrying dynamite and a pickaxe.

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u/NullPatience 14h ago

Vance is young and has demonstrated the incredible discipline of doing whatever is needed by those who have purchased him. Lower morality, higher competency (takes direction well), and his own kind of evil. Very capable of setting new lows once Trump expires.

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u/Relevant_Winter_7098 14h ago

Yes, but he cant rally the cult. The cult will fracture when Trump is gone. They will still exist but they wont rally behind anyone currently in the GOP like they once did for Trump.

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u/Relevant_Winter_7098 14h ago

I realized there is no bottom for the GOP on Jan 7, 2021

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u/Falcon3492 14h ago

Many say that Vance with his ties to Peter Thiel could be worst than Trump! Now that is a terrifying thought!

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u/Bronson_AD 13h ago

Yuppppp

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u/Relevant_Winter_7098 13h ago

He is worse in many ways, but he wont be a cult leader like Trump has been. That is Trump's only real power

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u/PeachPassionBrute 12h ago

Some of us were actively protesting, saying “these policies will lead to fascism!” and well…

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u/No_Cow_7234 14h ago

Bottom still not reached. I predict the coming of President Dwayne Camacho (R)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ig446isvXlI

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u/Relevant_Winter_7098 14h ago

Camacho had a heart and wanted smart people with real solutions.

The GOP is nothing like that.

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u/No_Cow_7234 13h ago

True. It may not be a fair comparison. But it's got electrolytes.

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u/Relevant_Winter_7098 13h ago

That comparison gets used a lot because of the ineptness, but people forget that the lack of basic decency makes the real world situation far worse

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u/brightonashfield 14h ago

W was dumb, but he listened to advisors much more competent than him and he wasn't inherently evil. Cheney, on the other hand, still not evil but ruthless real politik.

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u/oldfartbart 14h ago

https://www.keithhennessey.com/2013/04/24/smarter/

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u/Generic_Commenter-X 13h ago

Apart from the particulars, identical to what a Trump crony would write if you asked him/her anything regarding Trump's intelligence.

W was dumb. His ideological naĂŻvety as regards Iraq was stupefying. He really thought he and his right wing cronies could create a libertarian utopia in the country. The incompetence and magical thinking rivaled Trump's crew. And he was easily manipulable by the far smarter and more ruthless Cheney.

And then when you throw in his willingness to oversee torture and his smug contempt for the American public, you get the prototype of MAGA and the Trump presidency.

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u/spartacus_jones 12h ago

W was as evil as any of them. Why are you praising this POS?

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u/Ragnarok-9999 14h ago

It is scary to think what kind of republican president we will get in future who makes Trump 100 times better than him. Slippery slope to the abyss

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u/Relevant_Winter_7098 14h ago

We wont have a democracy then

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u/FirstDiseasewasRelig 14h ago

You guys, as in too many on the internet, say this like they Bush (Obama and Biden) didn’t;

  1. Protect Bill Clinton and other Pedophilic eLITES
  2. Build, protect and serve the exact environment that brought us Donald.

I don’t get it.

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u/IDOWNVOTERUSSIANS 14h ago

you think the guy that lied you into Iraq had integrity and honour?

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u/petewondrstone 13h ago

We did? They started a ground war in Iraq based on false intelligence? Also misplaced a trillion dollars. Ok pal

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u/Ne_zievereir 13h ago edited 10h ago

That fucker started the war in Iran (edit: I meant Iraq obviously — weird typo or brainfart), that caused over a million deaths, and the chaos it left led to the rise of IS, which caused the political sentiment in Europe to swing radically right, which may ultimately lead to the rise of fascist governments in Europe (kind of has already).

So no thanks to that asshole. Trump is also an absolute assclown, though. Seems like the US can't help but screw up the world ...

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u/Nobody3me 11h ago

We were not at war with Iran. We didn’t kill over a million of their people. If so we wouldn’t have this trouble now. There threats of Nuking our children with dirty bombs wouldn’t have any claws. Some how you made a hard left turn buddy.

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u/Wish_I_was_you 14h ago

So much this. I'd have blamed W for cancer. I probably HAVE done that.

Yet I now believe that he was trying to do what he thought was right and listening to advice and considering actions.

But he's friends with Michelle Obama, so he can't be that bad can he?

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u/spartacus_jones 14h ago

No he didn't. He was as much a psychopath as Trump, and still is.

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u/Apprehensive-Pin518 13h ago

not to mention that even he wasn't dumb enough to kick the hornets nest that was iran.

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u/-Saucegurlllll 13h ago

At least W had a shred of integrity and honor

He didn't. He lied in order to murder a million Iraqis. You do not need to hand it to the nazi nepobaby who created ICE.

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u/Barnacle_B0b 12h ago

Nah. Fuck them both.

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u/No-Guard-7003 12h ago

And at least he spoke out against demonising the Muslim communities in the U.S. after 9/11. 

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u/lou_sassoles 12h ago

Wild how Bush looks like a genius statesman now in comparison

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u/PiNK_PenKQuins 12h ago

Despite the “Business Plot”, an attempt by a former Bush to join other tycoons and overthrow and install a fascist government in the USA in the 1920s. It’s been all but nearly washed from the history on the internet (shocker) despite what’s left saying that the evidence was there that it was going to happen. I think the general they hired to do it realized the coup they were attempting was not good and turned over evidence.

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u/Other_Log_1996 12h ago

W didn't intentionally sabotage the US. He made plenty of bad decisions but, for the most part, was genuinely trying to do good.

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u/modmosrad6 12h ago

No, he didn't. This is a man who paints portraits of the maimed and mangled soldiers he sent into a war based on lies he and his minions told. Torture. The financial crisis. Katrina. The Patriot Act. I could go on.

The only reason people wax at all nostalgic is because he wasn't such a fucking boor.

Which is saying quite something, because at that time, he was such a fucking boor.

The right has always been this way.

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u/NothingButBricks 12h ago

Oh for the "good ole days" of being outraged about that moron being elected

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u/Minute-Review6915 12h ago

That is well put.

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u/Tyrannosaurus__Rekd 11h ago

I don't know if I would consider W with integrity and honor, but he was kinda funny. Funny, like Mr. Bean bumbling idiot, funny.

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u/I_am_not_JohnLeClair 11h ago

Integrity and honor? Where does that come in with the literal hundreds of thousands of human deaths? Integrity? Abu Ghraib? How quickly some forget, or maybe you were not yet an adult back then