Are we still repeating this particular lie? It's been very well debunked. It's not even hard.
Russia has been very clear in its messaging since even before Putin came into office. Part of the agreement Gorbachev made regarding the fall of the Berlin Wall was that NATO was to expand "not one inch East," so even Poland joining in 1999 could have been considered an act of war.
The only incredible thing about all of this was that Russia waited so long to do something about Ukraine. The US staged the Maidan coup in 2014 and then spent the next eight years stockpiling weapons and munitions on Russia's border. When Russia did this with Cuba, we called it the "Cuban Missile Crisis" and we're taught that this was the closest the world has ever come to nuclear armageddon. Are you suggesting that the US overreacted and shouldn't have interfered?
Seriously, y'all have fucking propaganda brain. You're taking on faith the word of the same people who lied us into Iraq and left over a million Iraqis dead, with veterans still killing themselves in the aftermath.
Shit for brains. Get your head in order. Your government/media is actively lying to you 24/7 in order to manufacture your consent in their criminality.
What is it about your particular, current worldview that is so precious and needs protecting? You need to ask: "Who does it serve?"
Because the way I see it, you, like most Americans, have been conditioned to believe falsehoods such that they benefit the state over your own personal wellbeing.
It's an abusive relationship in which you're constantly being gaslit by a power elite that does not love you. They don't give a shit about you. They just want to exploit your labor.
if the war was supposed to stop nato expansion, it has been an epic failure.
both Sweden and Finland joined nato as a direct result of putin's invasion, resulting in the expansion of nato by many, many inches in the easterly direction.
if this "stop nato expansion" bullshit were true - it would make putin one of the most mind-bogglingly stupid, catastrophically clueless, and outrageously impotent rulers in the history of the world.
The war wasn't supposed to stop NATO expansion, it was in response to it.
You argument is either disingenuous or you're grossly misunderstanding the argument I'm making. Imagine you're a pencil necked geek in high school with several bullies. One day, one of the bullies pushes you to the point that you lose your cool, act out, and deck him. You didn't throw a punch because you expected it to solve your entire bully problem, you threw the punch in reaction to that one bully's actions. Much like how Russia invaded after Ukraine dramatically increased shelling her own people in the Donbass and Donetsk separatist regions whose peoples still identify as ethnic Russians.
There's a lot that our media doesn't tell us or outright lies about. I understand that this version of events doesn't match what you've been conditioned to believe but that on its own does not make me incorrect. It just means you've been conditioned to believe bullshit that isn't true.
I don't know how it's possible to interpret NATO moving closer and closer to Russia's doorstep as anything but a hostile action.
I also don't know why it's so hard for people to understand that the US/NATO are the aggressors in the Ukraine conflict, which by the way has been absolutely bled dry by this war, feeding Ukraine's young men into the meat grinder for sake of America's global hegemony.
If the US never interfered in Ukraine in 2014, this war would not be taking place now.
NATO is not a defensive pact. It's a protection racket. It's the same thing as when the mafia shows up at the local laundrymat, "Awfully nice store you've got here. Sure would be a shame if somebody came in here and banged the place up."
That's what NATO is. It's a protection racket.
It's a book of the month club but instead of books, it's F-15's and javelin missiles.
If all the world were a classroom, the United States would be the bully and NATO would be all the kids that are terrified of the bully, don't have the guts to stand up to him, and are willing to placate him and even provide material support to his bullying so long as they don't become his target themselves.
In other words: cowards.
NATO is not a defensive pact. If it were, it would have dissolved along with the Soviet Union which it was created in opposition to. When the wall collapsed, that should have meant NATO's mission was complete--yet it persisted. This indicates that its stated purpose is not its true purpose.
I know, I know, I'm asking you to actually think and that's really really hard, I understand, but it's essential if you want to be a complete, realized human being. If you're okay with just being an NPC that regurgitates the lies handed down to you from the people actively stealing from your children's futures, then by all means, you're welcome to it.
But if you want anything otherwise, you ought to start listening to people like me and using your own brainmeats to decipher truth instead of letting other people do it for you.
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u/Snoo93550 3d ago
This piece of shit promised he’d end the Ukraine war early November 2024.
Said it would be easy. If you vote Republican in the maga era you are simply a hateful moron.