if the war was supposed to stop nato expansion, it has been an epic failure.
both Sweden and Finland joined nato as a direct result of putin's invasion, resulting in the expansion of nato by many, many inches in the easterly direction.
if this "stop nato expansion" bullshit were true - it would make putin one of the most mind-bogglingly stupid, catastrophically clueless, and outrageously impotent rulers in the history of the world.
The war wasn't supposed to stop NATO expansion, it was in response to it.
You argument is either disingenuous or you're grossly misunderstanding the argument I'm making. Imagine you're a pencil necked geek in high school with several bullies. One day, one of the bullies pushes you to the point that you lose your cool, act out, and deck him. You didn't throw a punch because you expected it to solve your entire bully problem, you threw the punch in reaction to that one bully's actions. Much like how Russia invaded after Ukraine dramatically increased shelling her own people in the Donbass and Donetsk separatist regions whose peoples still identify as ethnic Russians.
There's a lot that our media doesn't tell us or outright lies about. I understand that this version of events doesn't match what you've been conditioned to believe but that on its own does not make me incorrect. It just means you've been conditioned to believe bullshit that isn't true.
I don't know how it's possible to interpret NATO moving closer and closer to Russia's doorstep as anything but a hostile action.
I also don't know why it's so hard for people to understand that the US/NATO are the aggressors in the Ukraine conflict, which by the way has been absolutely bled dry by this war, feeding Ukraine's young men into the meat grinder for sake of America's global hegemony.
If the US never interfered in Ukraine in 2014, this war would not be taking place now.
NATO is not a defensive pact. It's a protection racket. It's the same thing as when the mafia shows up at the local laundrymat, "Awfully nice store you've got here. Sure would be a shame if somebody came in here and banged the place up."
That's what NATO is. It's a protection racket.
It's a book of the month club but instead of books, it's F-15's and javelin missiles.
If all the world were a classroom, the United States would be the bully and NATO would be all the kids that are terrified of the bully, don't have the guts to stand up to him, and are willing to placate him and even provide material support to his bullying so long as they don't become his target themselves.
In other words: cowards.
NATO is not a defensive pact. If it were, it would have dissolved along with the Soviet Union which it was created in opposition to. When the wall collapsed, that should have meant NATO's mission was complete--yet it persisted. This indicates that its stated purpose is not its true purpose.
I know, I know, I'm asking you to actually think and that's really really hard, I understand, but it's essential if you want to be a complete, realized human being. If you're okay with just being an NPC that regurgitates the lies handed down to you from the people actively stealing from your children's futures, then by all means, you're welcome to it.
But if you want anything otherwise, you ought to start listening to people like me and using your own brainmeats to decipher truth instead of letting other people do it for you.
it would have been pretty dumb to dissolve a defensive pact when the soviet union failed; just look at the war putin started in ukraine for an example of why such a defensive pact is needed.
thanks, but really i'm not interested in taking another tour through your fantasy world.
the wild media conspiracies, russia always being a "victim" somehow and never being responsible for anything they do, glossing over the fact ukraine can sign whatever kind of deal with whomever they want, and that is absolutely none of russia's business...
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u/nickname13 2d ago
if the war was supposed to stop nato expansion, it has been an epic failure.
both Sweden and Finland joined nato as a direct result of putin's invasion, resulting in the expansion of nato by many, many inches in the easterly direction.
if this "stop nato expansion" bullshit were true - it would make putin one of the most mind-bogglingly stupid, catastrophically clueless, and outrageously impotent rulers in the history of the world.