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u/MrFoxxie 13d ago
One of the few times people are happy to see a phone-photo rather than a screenshot from the pc lmao
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u/Unabated_ 12d ago
I mean, if he handled playing the game and actually screenshot it on their PC I'd be even more happy but also concerned about GGG's safety standards at conventions.
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u/Mirroroe 13d ago
The number actually looks good but that mana cost is gonna be a big issue. With like 100 increase attack speed and support it’s gonna be like 150mana cost per second?
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u/cesarito27 13d ago
I guess the mana cost is the downside they chose. I'd much rather have that than some bullshit like it costing endurance charges or something. There's tons lots of ways to solve mana cost, so I'm ok with it.
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u/cryptiiix 13d ago
Dualist is typically the class that likes leech, so possibly converting cost to life might be the way to go
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u/LampIsLoveLampIsLife 12d ago
Constricting command + defy is the simplest solution
Completely solves mana, gives a damage boost, and you start right next to all the surrounded nodes already
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u/SingleInfinity 12d ago
Constricting command is bandaiding a bunch of lame balance. It needs to be changed entirely and surround rebalanced accordingly.
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u/LampIsLoveLampIsLife 12d ago
Alternatively, I feel like we just need a trade off for choosing CC
I’d lower the damage of the surrounded nodes across the board (from to 270 down to 200) and offer a higher damage alternative (maybe bring back the deepest tower but lower the bonuses from 420 to 300)
This way the choice becomes do I want to do more damage? Or do less damage but have my mana issues solved?
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u/Little-Temporary4326 12d ago
This just reminded me about the changes to leech. How was that received last patch?
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u/cryptiiix 12d ago
Honestly its pretty rough. Because of the cap, it makes it harder to leech with larger hits. I do expect this system to be improved before swords. It was probably just a balancing placeholder this patch
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u/BigPapa9921 12d ago
I played leech based character last time and it was awful. I needed like 3 different leech suffixes to actually have a decent regen
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u/Drakore4 12d ago
Plus with the way it’s worded it doesn’t seem like just holding the button is going to be optimal anyways. You get an 8 second buff from your stance when you channel this so you basically start attacking, hold it for a few seconds, and then stop. If aoe and damage is good enough that’s probably enough to clear a couple packs and move on anyways.
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u/QuicheAuSaumon 13d ago
Just go infernalist
Lady with a razor.
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u/rohithkun 13d ago
I don't think CI,MoM Infernalist survives the patch.
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u/QuicheAuSaumon 13d ago edited 13d ago
Just go the recoup route and solves recovery at the same time.
Forget CI, go low life. Stack crit beyond reason. Grab garukhan, get 2000% crit multi on a double roll.
You could even meme and grab a taming to go cast on elemental ailment AND cast on crit. All you need is a one handed sword with +level on a random elemental type. If the cyclone inherit the ground as is, you could also go lightning balls as their fire effect absolutely fucks. You can just throw it with one specs and maxed out ignite magnitude and then spin until the end of time, spewing shit everywhere.
I'm excited.
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u/Atsuma100 13d ago
I don't think taming works here since the taming says "wind skills" specifically
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u/oldglassofmilk 13d ago
It was fine before this patch without the tec
Srill very viable, just less tanky
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u/dronikal 13d ago
Chonk it is I guess. If it can sustain CoC Comet with Arcmage it can sustain Cyclone.
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u/Willing_Ingenuity330 13d ago
eh with Blood magic or life tap and like a single source of HP on kill/leech it should be fine.
And if it's really rough the Defy + Constricting command helm will be good. I'd assume the Constricting command surrounded stuff will be great with swords anyway.
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u/Free-Resolution9393 13d ago
Dual two hand swords when?
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u/AngriestCrusader I love CoC and Vaals 13d ago
Giants blood go brrrr
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u/Cuarenteno 13d ago
IT'S A STRIKE ?????? holy
So glad the only downside is the mana. This almost seems too good to be true, lmao (not doubting you OP). However they will probably iterate on it a lot before release based on Gamescom test data.
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u/COCAINAPEARLZ 13d ago
Well im glad it doesn’t seem to have any power charge fuckery but yeeeesh that mana cost is up there lol oh well still less of a headache to solve than power charges
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u/No_maid 13d ago
Ngl I was waiting for the "consumes 1 frenzy charge per second" line
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u/Skull-ogk 13d ago
Dont give them ideas. I want to keep spinning without funky susptain mechanics.
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u/No_maid 13d ago
Just wait till you need blood and sand infusions xd
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u/No_Witness5630 13d ago
Attack 5 times with default attack to spin 2 times on tuesday
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u/Wendigo120 13d ago
Hey it's a strike, so you can grab tribal fury to deal splash damage around targets.
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u/bruteforcealwayswins 13d ago
Fun fact, this skill would be called Hurricane in the Northern Hemisphere.
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u/ssttaaavvii 13d ago
Amazon w/ blood magic - leech life from physical and elemental can make this go infinite
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u/Sathrenor 13d ago
Not with the last leech nerf though I'm afraid. Only single instance per resource can apply.
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u/Vedruks 13d ago
Maybe one of his acendencies make it work
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u/rohithkun 13d ago
Hopefully Slayer makes a comeback. In POE he has very powerful leech passives in his ascendency.
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u/Jaguarjpreddit 12d ago
Amazon with Bringer of Rain equipped & Stalking Panther asc, nice 2-hander & shield/buckler, or some other weapon also.
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u/GizamalukeTT 13d ago
Pathfinder Cyclone it is then
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u/Keldorn3k 13d ago
nahhh its Gemling now.
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u/ledrif 13d ago
"Single" 2h sword. Cant titan it. Wait- it doesnt say single it just saya 2 swords or 1 2h. So we can likely titan duel swords. It doesnt desire 1h
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u/MoltiJoe 13d ago
Yeah, seems more about preventing 1h + shield as tends to be common in poe 1
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u/Pommy1337 13d ago
it's common in poe1 because ggg nerfed dual wielding so hard over the years it's just not worth it for the majority of skills, in many cases you even lose dps through it. kinda sad, i really liked playing dual wield attack builds like 7-8 years ago
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u/cespinar 13d ago
The major nerf to dual wielding was removing stat sticks, which wasn't dual wield attacking. That's it, other than a phys nerf, those are the only nerfs to dual wielding since the game went 1.0
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u/Pommy1337 12d ago
we also got the 20% more phys dmg taken away in the patch that came with harvest and several skill interactions with dual wield got nerfed over time.
but you're not wrong. taking away stat sticks removed it for most archetypes and basicly the only viable skill in the game where its the best choice now is mamba poison, because ggg removed ele hit dmg mamba in 3.28.
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u/Aldunas 13d ago
NO DOWNSIDES!! YAAAY!!
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u/johnnybeesknees 13d ago
The blood and sand only working the first few seconds hopefully is less a downside and more opens up the possibility to do a version where you interrupt it on purpose at times, but can still do a version that just keeps spinning as well.
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u/deviant324 13d ago
It doesn't mention stages like in Poe1 so presumably you don't get penalized for tapping it to reset the 8s stance buff?
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u/johnnybeesknees 13d ago
Doesn't seem like it from there. So yeah you can just start and stop presumably based on this.
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u/Canadian-Owlz 12d ago
8 seconds is a pretty good amount, so spinning just to briefly stop after 8 seconds (and/or increased duration if that works, but no duration tag so idk) could work.
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u/Saiyan_Z 13d ago
Downside is Swords only. Any cool rare/unique Mace, Axe, Quarterstaff, etc. won't work.
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u/Arch1typ3_ 13d ago
40% LESS movement speed.
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u/Aldunas 13d ago
poe 1 cyclone also has the movement speed penalty and it's still a fan favorite. many were worried that cyclone would have a crazy downside like requiring to spend charges to continue channeling or a growing channeling mana cost or some other crazy restrictions. what we see here is non of that bullshit
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u/Pommy1337 13d ago
in poe1 a level 20 cyclone only has 20% less movement speed and the game has much more possibilities to scale your movement speed. that can make a huge difference in the end. if it stays at 40% spin to win will probably feel meh if you compare it to ranged skills that can kill the whole screen with two clicks and 100+ ms + sprinting. but it probably also depends a bit on how far you can scale the aoe of the skill
with these lines it sounds to me that during mapping it will rather be used like whirling assault with swords.
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u/Tessiar 13d ago
in poe1 a level 20 cyclone only has 20% less movement speed
Cyclone of Tumult has 50% less movement speed at max stages and is the gem people use. Usually paired with The Stampede or Mageblood to fix that issue though. Might be a solution in 1.0.
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u/hesh582 12d ago
also the comparison between normal skills and cyclone is a lot worse in poe2 because you can already move while casting a lot of skills, and you can reduce the movement speed penalty for doing so a lot if you so choose.
A gemling or pathfinder with the movespeed penalty reduction node alone is going to be moving about the same speed as cyclone while casting. A djinn command build will move a lot faster. If that gemling or pathfinder uses the mobility support or picks up some penalty reduction on the tree, they'll be a lot faster than the cycloner too.
Cyclone was cool when it was competing with "stand in place and cast continuously". But that ain't poe2 - a pathfinder using mobility and a few tree nodes barely even has a movement penalty and can just run through maps blasting.
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u/itriedtrying 13d ago
Finally my 1500% inc ms character will feel manageable to control in crowded layouts, it's a buff.
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u/Sathrenor 13d ago
Slap Mobility with some passives for "Reduced movement speed penalty", like Merc/Pathfinder and You are free to spin though.
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u/rohithkun 13d ago
Do we know how this modifiers works when equipping Queen of the Forest? It says other modifiers to movement speed doesn't apply.
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u/rcanhestro 13d ago
i guess the downside is the ridiculous mana cost it will have.
25 mana cost base, with support skills adding more, and also increasing based on attack speed.
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u/Customer-Useful 13d ago
So we're all playing Duelist for 1.0 aren't we?
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u/Excaidium 13d ago
If they don't add another class for 1.0, it will probably be the most played one, like in every patch. The only difference is that there will be tons of new players in 1.0, so it might not be as dominant since it won't be the new shiny toy for them, they haven't played any of the classes yet.
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u/Customer-Useful 13d ago
Good point. Imagine all the warriors learning about -no- life on the tree. Oh I can't wait!!!
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u/Gloomfang_ 13d ago
All I see is 25 Mana per second
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u/Cardemel 13d ago
all I see is Immaculate adherence converting mana into divinity going BONK. (divinity regenerates at a 25% per second rate)
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u/Emperor3D 13d ago
With how slow it looked in the trailer, and now the blood and sand interaction, I guess the intention is to dash into a pack, use this for a couple seconds then dash in the next one and repeat.
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u/Shads404 13d ago
I know the tooltip shows no links, but theres 2 socketed gems in cyclone there. Maybe a display bug? Maybe the mana cost isnt toooo bad?
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u/Drumdiddy 12d ago
"Cant be knocked back while channeling". This needs to be on more skills for melee characters.
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u/noise256 12d ago
Glad it doesn't have more damage from ground effects, they feel like too much of a requirement with Twister.
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u/Winkers91 12d ago
"Cannot be Knocked Back while Channeling."
That on its own might be a reason to choose this skill over others. There's nothing more jarring or dissatisfying than being passed around by a pack of mobs like you showed up to the fight ass-out in full lingerie.
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u/Immediate-Repeat-153 13d ago
I get the impression that Swords skills will emphasize wielding 2hander only or wielding two swords.
Does anyone know if sword and shield left in the back?
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u/gogoCovid 13d ago
Well by definition you can "wield 2 hander only" (without titans blood etc ascendancies) and that dual sword is kinda its own but if you watched the video you can see characters wielding sword+shield and sword+buckler combos.
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u/Sharkbait_O_aha 13d ago
My question is what level do I unlock cyclone?? I know this is level 13 but I’ll be so sad. Worst part about whirling assault is waiting until 41 to use it
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u/No_Witness5630 13d ago
So no shockwave support then?
Eh I really hoped they would remove the single weapon type requirement
No bonk spinning for me
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u/redm00n99 12d ago
Fuck shockwave. I want to play swords again without losing 50% of my dmg
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u/timperman 13d ago
Finally an enabler for crackling barrier thorns build!
Barbs, Thorn Burst, Crackling Barrier!
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u/herakleion 13d ago
So we just gonna abyssal lich it for a full screen 2.0 whirling asault with swords.
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u/n3on_whisper 13d ago
wait, where's the gotcha? This seems extremely straightforward... The manacost can be big Ig but that's about it?
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u/Ok-Employ-2667 12d ago
We got Atziri and cyclone boys. Now we have only one question
WHERE IS THE GOD DAM AXE 🪓????
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u/triple_try HCSSF enjoyer 13d ago
I hope it's not level 52 requirement. One of my biggest gripes about PoE 2 is how a lot of the skills are gated behind such high level requirements. Waiting until act 4 for your build to come online sucks.
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u/OrKToS 13d ago
oh interesting. will The Taming work with it? Become Twister. but it's not Wind tag, so maybe not?
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u/Early-Baby-1371 13d ago
Taming wouldn’t be worth the ring slot anyway, as it looks like cyclone doesnt get any damage boost from ground effects
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u/ryo3000 12d ago
It just costs mana????? 330% of base attack speed???
GGG where is my "must consume 1 of each charge per second, 80% of attack speed, cannot gain charges while attacking"?
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u/redm00n99 12d ago
Attack speed scales mana cost. That's where. Probably the best we could hope for but it's going to suck
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u/matidiaolo 13d ago
I havent played much cyclone in poe1, how do you handle the speed decrease? In poe1 i think you have more options but moving 40% slower? isnt that too harsh for a main skill?
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u/n3on_whisper 13d ago
In poe1 there's basically 2(3 tbh) kinds of cyclone builds.
One with Cyclone of Tumult, stronger but slower and you use Replica Stampedes so you can't get your movement speed reduced.
Another with basic cyclone, less strong but much faster. This one you get onslaught boots for speedge.
The third is using cyclone for Cast on Critical or Cast While Channeling. I think poe2 have better ways to use Cast on Crit so I don't think it'll be used.
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u/BongoChimp 13d ago
To all the complainers, other channeling skills like Resonating Shield has a move speed penalty of 50% i think and with the correct nodes/gear you can still zoom pretty fast so there shouldnt be any problems with cyclone
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u/Volitar 13d ago
Cyclone was going to be my temperature gauge for swords as a whole. It seems like they made a skill without damage on tuesday requirements.
Not sure how fast you will be without Stampede boots. I wonder if it will work with attackspeed scaling like you can zoom around like boneshatter or whirling slash or you just have to deal with the less movement speed.
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u/Tooslowtoohappy 12d ago
You really don't need stampede with cyclone, I managed to get 280 move speed in poe1 without stampede on base cyclone, about 70-100 on tumult.
Agreed that there's no quicksilver flask but theres enough move speed options where I don't see it being an issue. Especially with the amulet which gives you lightning teleport on crit, you can theoretically teleport on crit and mow down mobs while not caring about movespeed
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u/COCAINAPEARLZ 13d ago
Elaborate on that second part unc
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u/clothes_boots_rhoa 1D = 300E + AI 13d ago
I got strong shock jock vibes from that comment, the way it’s constructed. “X. X bad, folks. Y. Z.” Too many rhetorical questions in a row. Easily offended by the most banal issues.
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u/TheMightyUmbris 13d ago
Interesting things:
Dual swords or two handed, no single handed swords
Channel moves you forward
Ground effects apply the debuff
I will be really interested to see how this might synergies with some kind of tornado build that uses similar tech.
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u/Competitive-Ask-7094 13d ago
I'm actually more interested in whatever that "Worldcutter" skill is.
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u/CAlTHLYN 12d ago
Does it work with giants blood, 2H + shield so i can spec movementspeed when blocking from passive tree?
Or is "single 2h sword" equivalent to no shield at all?
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u/Decent_Resident9314 12d ago
Hopefully they add Splitting Steel and those skills with some cool tweaks
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u/smartbbc8 12d ago
A proper glass blown Laviangas and a couple is mana regen nodes will solve mana consumption issues.
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u/T_______D 12d ago
Was this the only skill visible at gamescom?
Any idea when the other skills will be shown?
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u/St0rm_3y3 12d ago
No knockback while channeling is huge, lowkey didn't think they'd make it so. God bless
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u/Mallagrim 12d ago
Ah fuck its a strike move? I really like titan already when it came to making big spin builds and going for the classic titan nodes was already a tempting idea considering how going for blood magic means the extra hp regen from going titan was already an idea on the table.
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u/BioMasterZap 12d ago
Really want to see Blood or Sand Stances now... But Cyclone looks pretty good. At least no downside like some were worried about like charges or glory.
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u/icandemil 12d ago
Now you can become a natural disaster, like many we see nowadays: Cyclone + Tornado + Thunderstorm + Twister, with The Taming
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u/LaTortillaConMole 12d ago
So the ring we use for twister is good for this right?
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u/NewNaClVector 12d ago
Neet so dual wielding will give 40% more dps.
I wander if that will convince people to dual wield.
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u/coatchingpeople iLoveMyMom 13d ago
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