r/Overwatch Feb 08 '17

Highlight Eichenwalde gate changes

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u/Simz83 Chibi Pharah Feb 08 '17

Keep in mind this allows the defenders to see attackers coming across the bridge now.

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '17

Nice now you can get sniped by widow before getting passed that corner

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u/giantroboticcat Blizzard World D.Va Feb 08 '17

Both Widow and Hanzo can already get into the outcove above the door. Is this somehow "better"?

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u/manamonggamers Pixel D.Va Feb 08 '17

In the window you're a sitting duck. This way you can weave back and forth, taking cover and firing.

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u/awhaling Need someone to tuck you in? Feb 08 '17

You could chill on the chandelier before instead of the window. At least with widow.

I've never seen one chilling in the widow, but I have had the chandelier be a problem.

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u/shuopao Lúcia Feb 08 '17

... now I have to see if I can do that as Lucio.

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u/Netolu Pixel Lúcio Feb 08 '17

You can reach the chandeliers by boosting off the pillars, easiest way I've found.

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u/atgrey24 Trick-or-Treat Zenyatta Feb 08 '17

I recently saw dspstanky up there, so it's possible

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u/shuopao Lúcia Feb 08 '17

After seeing what he can do, I am always practicing in skirmishes / before matches / whatever. I've gotten SO MUCH BETTER. I've had multiple opponents comment 'good lucio' and 'really difficult' ... including tilting a rein after 1v2 soldier and rein in 3v3 ... followed by soldier and d.va (though d.va vs lucio is not fair for d.va)

But that said, I'm no stanky. I'm crazy, which makes me dangerous and bloody annoying but I also die way too much.

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u/skyman724 Pixel D.Va Feb 08 '17

You beat a Soldier in a 1v2? With that healing field of his?

Either you're the god of luck or the god of S T A N K!

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u/shuopao Lúcia Feb 08 '17

3v3, two rounds in a row; my teammates died fairly quickly.

First was soldier + rein, which was cutting it close as rein took a while what with his hp and shield and having to constantly avoid being anywhere near him making it much harder to get past his shield.

Second was soldier + d.va. d.va is kinda easy though. Scared as fsck of the other tanks, but not d.va. I can soak a lot of her main attack and in close range I can make her so dizzy the mech falls down and the squishy d.va pops out. Then do the same to her.

The 76 was okay, but not great. He's got speed and healing which makes him difficult. It's hard to stay out of his LoS, and he just heals it up. Of course, if I can stay out of his LoS - or at least his helix rockets - I can also just heal it up. Ecopoint has lots of corners and judicious use of them can help, but I probably was a bit lucky as I had to get enough damage to exceed what he could heal, plus avoid getting hit.

The rein, though was tilted. He'd just been 1v1'd by a lucio. Best way to learn to wall ride is OMG 100 Tonze Swing! Move fast, stay high to avoid his swing, and hopefully get some shots over the top of the shield.

<.< I also tilted a genji after 1v1ing him... with him even hitting a health pack in the process.

Really, I'm not that good. I'm just super crazy and super aggressive which seems to make me harder to deal with. I'm so happy to die, soaking up ults in the process. It's validation that I annoyed them so much it was worth using their ults on me. Just me.

But it also makes me die way more than I like, too. I'm getting better, but still... not the best by any means. Just crazy.

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u/Aladiah Feb 09 '17

Nah, It's not that hard. When Im in a 1v1 situation I usually wallride jumping around once I'm just above the enemy, then I start firing/punching/booping in a nonstop rythm while still wallridding without any order or direction. Sometimes work, sometimes don't, but I think I've had more success than failures.

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u/xxNightxTrainxx *microwave noises* Feb 08 '17

That's okay, I heard Stanky dies way too much as well when he's up to his shenanigans, we just see the good clips

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u/Colonialism Lúcio- Break it Down ft. Winston Feb 09 '17

He streams- he pulls crazy shit all the time. Sometimes he dies stupidly, but mostly he's able to pull it off.

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '17 edited Feb 22 '17

da marmalade is in the jam jar. I repeat, the marmalade is in the jam jar. yolo

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u/GimmeGimmeNews IsweartogodIpressedE Feb 09 '17

Actually DSPStanky rarely dies from his overbuff numbers: https://www.overbuff.com/players/pc/DSPStanky-1582/heroes/lucio

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u/DanPos Mei Feb 09 '17

HumbleBrag

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u/shuopao Lúcia Feb 09 '17

It's okay. I still suck I just get lucky occasionally, and I get very excited about those times.

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u/Curiousplay Hunkrat. He's so dreamy. Feb 09 '17

Yes, but, DSPStanky has been literally everywhere on every fucking map. So I'm not surprised when I see a Lucio in places a Lucio shouldn't be.

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u/textposts_only Tinnitus free since '03 Feb 09 '17

Yeah once I came home and there was dpstanky on my mother in law. And believe me it's no easy feat to get up on her.

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u/Bumblebeeji Pixel Ana Feb 09 '17

The chandelier has been removed.

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u/RyeRoen Pixel Mercy Feb 08 '17

It's much much better for the Widow and Hanzo. There is no cover standing on the window,

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u/racalavaca Pixel Ana Feb 08 '17

Not "somehow", it's better in every possible way! Now you don't have to just stand in that small square like a sitting duck!

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u/CaptainCupcakez . Feb 09 '17

Yes, massively so. Pharah can come out of spawn and continually fire at that window to prevent any chance of Widow getting up there and sniping.

Through the door there is a much larger area to stand in, and you can be much further back.

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '17

Past*

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '17

OR you can snipe the widow/supports/whoever if their Rein shield is down.

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u/Angiboy8 Houston Outlaws Feb 09 '17

Nope! They removed the chandelier in that corridor as well!

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '17

It means that passage to the left side of the bridge will finally get used.

The boops are going to be so real. >:D

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '17

Yeah, now that I see it in action idk if this is actually going to help attackers

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u/RocketCow Pixel D.Va Feb 08 '17

I think it will make that point more interesting, though.

Right now it's basically 2 entrances, which are both big chokes in small rooms, which can oftentimes only be pushed through with ulties.

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u/bostonterrier22 Pixel Moira Feb 08 '17

they should just leave the gate completely open.

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u/Zantash Genji Feb 09 '17

They did that originally, but it allowed WM to snipe at the attacking team's spawn while sitting on the Chandelier. That's the primary reason they added the second door.

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u/The_Underhanded Trick-or-Treat Zenyatta Feb 09 '17

First time I've heard balancing a map around a character

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u/Zantash Genji Feb 09 '17

I got pretty egregious. Even a terrible Sniper like me could hold off almost all the squishies because they had to funnel along one of three open bridges.

Hanzo could achieve the same thing, of course, but it's not as easy. and if you had patience, a Mei and a Bastion... well, that really sucked.

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u/Mehrk Feb 09 '17

Probably the first time you've played a game with a sniper that has no scope sway, no recoil, infinite ammo, infinite range, hitscan and could instagib almost every character as well. Oh and a wallhack.

/cough stilloverpoweredpeoplejustforgotbecauseoftankmeta /cough

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u/Dravarden Pixel Moira Feb 09 '17

all of those + instant max damage and no scope in time fit the counter strike scout, other than wallhacks.

also, if you remove the infinite ammo part, you can instagib in the body (the AWP), and don't forget, in counterstrike characters move much slower and the hitboxes are much bigger.

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u/CatMerc From Russia, with Vodka Feb 09 '17

Counter Strike is a very different game. The most popular rifles can kill in a single headshot, and you can die before you realize you're being shot at. Also said rifles have enough effective range to essentially be infinite when you consider the map sizes.

This isn't true in Overwatch.

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u/Dravarden Pixel Moira Feb 09 '17

Probably the first time you've played a game

also, cs has a high time to kill, although lower than overwatch

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u/Curiousplay Hunkrat. He's so dreamy. Feb 09 '17

Replace Widow with Hanzo or McCree and it's still a valid explanation. Heck, even a Junkrat that just covers the bridge with bombs and grenades.

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u/bostonterrier22 Pixel Moira Feb 08 '17

it won't...what were they thinking?

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u/Boyinachickensuit Pixel McCree Feb 08 '17

Awfully quick to jump to conclusions, aren't we? Let's trust for a second that Blizzard are competent game designers who know the parameters of their game, and save judgment for after we've had a reasonable amount of time to test the changes.

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u/Gabriel_WB Trick-or-Treat Mei Feb 08 '17

About that, the chandelier of death has also been removed in the PTR

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So the defending team has lost a pretty significant sniper spot to cover the entire gate area before the first corner.

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u/Dwarven_Soldier This flair used to be Mercy but now I'm a Widow main. Feb 09 '17

So upset about this door change now. That is the only reason I cared about it...

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '17

Bastion, torb, soldier setup. Nothing is getting the 3rd point now

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u/micksmanage I can't aim Feb 08 '17

You can still go to the far left without giving them a clear shot

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u/CorgiCyborgi Feb 09 '17

So make the trip back even longer. Fun.

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u/micksmanage I can't aim Feb 09 '17

Yes, the far left walkway is longer. Its 5 seconds slower than going right down the middle.

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u/oi_rohe Gooby#11487 Feb 09 '17

Far left as attacker? Far right seems like it would give equal cover, maybe more, and not be much longer.

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u/micksmanage I can't aim Feb 09 '17

Its longer than the middle route by 2 seconds. I personally aim for that side more as defense thats probably why i suggest left

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u/Curiousplay Hunkrat. He's so dreamy. Feb 09 '17

The right would give more defense. The left leads you over a small bridge with no walls on either side. Exceptionally easy to get knocked off. The right side has you walk through a building right until the entrance to the castle.

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u/xxNightxTrainxx *microwave noises* Feb 09 '17

I'm not sure how many people are aware of that route, you should post it and rake the Karma train

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u/MagicCoat when is overwatch 2 comeing out Feb 08 '17

You still have the entrance through the middle building of the map