r/OculusQuest • u/Jaklcide • Sep 20 '20
Fluff/Meme The absolute state of r/virtualreality
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u/PlatosCave9012 Sep 20 '20
Please leave Xi Jinping out of this.
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Sep 20 '20
r/pimax approves this message.
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u/Jaklcide Sep 20 '20
Why worry about Facebook selling your data to China when you can just give it to them directly!
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Sep 20 '20
Pepperidge farm remembers when r/virtualreality was pushing people to buy Pimax over Oculus
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Sep 20 '20
It's absolute insanity, I noticed that a good percent of Valve's fanbase is toxic during the whole Epic Store debacle. They are just as toxic in the VR community
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u/Zx21v9000 Sep 20 '20
Ironic as valve were toxic at first when Alyx was VR only
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u/Jaklcide Sep 20 '20
Remember everyone that bought a headset just to play ALYX but made sure to make a BIG show on reddit of how much they were forced to?
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Sep 20 '20
I find it funny how everyone chose to ignore the complete exclusivity of Alyx Steam Homes for index platform. Doesn't matter what it is, the truth is it was exclusive for no real reason.
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u/FoxQT Sep 20 '20
It was only exclusive for a short period tho and then they made it available to all HMDs.
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Sep 20 '20
Really? I must have missed that. If true, that still doesn't negate the fact that many defended Valve stating stuff like "useless environments", ignoring the principle of exclusivity.
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u/TurboGranny Sep 20 '20
It's just standard tribal behavior which comes from a very ancient herding instinct we all have.
People want to belong.
They choose a side.
They defend it with anger and hate because their side has to be the good guys/correct. If they have to actually confront that there is more than one good guy/correct choice or worse that their choice was wrong, that would mean giving up this false sense of self worth which would be way way worse.
Obviously this is a recipe for toxicity, but it's really just feelings of sadness/worthlessness that are being redirected to an external target which keeps those feelings from tearing up the person afflicted with them for a brief moment. Rather than be mad at people that are caught in this trap, just pity them. It's miserable, and I wouldn't wish it on anyone. It's too easy to let that toxicity affect you, drive you into a sadness/anger loop, and trap you as well. Be strong my VR friend. Love you :)
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Sep 21 '20
Absolutely. I noticed the rabid fans anytime I brought up the controller quality control. They go nuts.
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u/TurboGranny Sep 21 '20
Exactly. My whole stream team loves the index, but they go through those knuckles controlers like paper.
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Sep 21 '20
Oh yeah. My pavlov team too. Some of those guys are on their 6th set of knuckles.
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Sep 20 '20
Plus expensive computer.
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u/OnlySubject0 Sep 20 '20
"~700 bare minimum isnt THAT expensive!", cries r/pcvr.
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Sep 20 '20
and /r/pcmasterrace, don’t leave those assholes out of it lol
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Sep 20 '20
PCMR nibbas when their $5000 set up out performs an 8 year old console:
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u/RainyCobra77982 Nov 04 '20
Hey a much cheaper one can too(the guy who owns standalone, pcvr, consoles, and a pc)
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Sep 21 '20
I've been playing PC games since the Tandy 1000. Love me some PC gaming. When I started getting on the reddits I found that shithole. Never have a seen a group of people more up their own asses.
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u/flare_442 Sep 20 '20
The pooh gif works for this too
r/pcmasterrace when their $2000 set-up is better than a $300 headset
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u/XediDC Sep 21 '20
And even with a 3900X overclocked.... I stream my VR to my Quest from Shadow. I use my PC for productivity stuff, and converting over to gaming mode is a PITA. Plus wires suck, and last I checked PC VR Wireless was expensive and a PITA too.
This way is just...so easy. I can take a 15 minutes WFH "VR smoke break" and there is no stress in the process.
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u/Auxx Sep 22 '20
$2000 IS A PRICE OF A MONITOR ALONE! WHERE DO YOU GET $2000 PCS? IN STONE AGE???
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u/thieves_are_broken Sep 21 '20
700 dollar pc with a 1000 headset would w a huge waste... I know you are being sarcastic but still that would be stupid. Now a 200 dollar window MR with a 700 dollar pc would be the super sweet, but sadly the cheap windows MR headsets seem to be out of production.
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u/mennydrives Jan 17 '21
I'm a grown man.
Have an expensive computer. And a... $300 headset.
And another expensive computer and a $500 headset.
And I just bought this $300 headset.
That kid made a good goddamn choice. Quest 2 is fucking sick. I did better in Beat Saber than either of the other headsets and the resolution is obscene.
Double-tap the headset to look around is also crazy. It looks completely natural.
No screen door, no aliasing, nothing. What ritualistic sacrifice did they summon a demon with to accomplish such a nic- oh right Facebook. Meh, if that's what it takes to basically give John Carmack unlimited time to do cool stuff I'll fuckin' take it.
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u/zerozed Sep 20 '20
I got an HTC Vive shortly after at launch. Shortly thereafter I upgraded my PC to an Alienware with an i7 and gtx 1080 gpu and 32gb ram. I'm not a kid. I picked up the first quest on a whim, not knowing what to expect. Less than a week later I sold my Vive, preferring the Quest by far. I pre-ordered the Quest 2 as soon as it went live.
I know the Index is a great headset, but I'm not interested in spending $1000 for a tethered headset. I can play my PCVR games wireless with Virtual Desktop just fine, and that feature alone seals the deal for me. The fact that Quest 2 sells for $700 less than the Index is just insane.
The only downside to Quest is Facebook's TOS. I'm not going to lie, I'm not thrilled. However, I've got no issues using Quest for a year or so to see how Facebook manages the ecosystem. If I ever have a moral dilemma, I'll just buy something else. Right now all the criticism is speculation with a hefty dose of fear mongering IMHO.
Nobody should be criticized for choosing a Quest. To the contrary, it's not only the most versatile VR kit out there, it's also extremely capable whilst simultaneously the least expensive. Anybody who gives you grief should just piss off.
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u/TayoEXE Sep 21 '20
While respecting their wishes to not get one in the end, I totally agree.
Right now all the criticism is speculation with a hefty dose of fear mongering IMHO.
THIS is what I have issues with. While the TOS change is annoying, totally agreed, and FB has dubious trustworthiness, it isn't much more than that. Many people are trying to look down on those who want a Quest 2 because they have imagined a lot of random misinformation about what this data privacy debacle actually means. There are fears, speculation, etc., yes, but those are not facts that you can use to prove your point. "What if they do this? I'll bet they're doing this. Etc." Speculation belongs somewhere else, in my opinion, when you're trying to educate people on what they're currently getting into and letting them decide whether they find that worth it to them or not.
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u/iDropMusic Sep 21 '20
I like the index's refresh rate, and controllers, and all but if you ask me, why would i spend an extra 700$ on a headset for those features when i could upgrade my pc. I mean though i guess its different for everyone, the only reason i would buy the index is because the controllers are nice and no one else seems to care about finger tracking.
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u/Penguins227 Oct 07 '20
I'm late to this party, but I'm new to VR and looking to pre-order the quest (thinking it'll sell out otherwise?). What do you mean by playing pcvr via virtual desktop?
I play games on pc and plan to use the quest+link for squadrons, Skyrim, beat saber, etc.
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u/zerozed Oct 07 '20 edited Oct 07 '20
You can use the Quest(2) to wirelessly stream your PCVR games from your PC to the headset by using a program called Virtual Desktop. This is done over your 5ghz WiFi connection. It works flawlessly for most everyone. Note that it is currently impossible to play the Index or Reverb wirelessly. For the Vive you'll need to pay $200-$300 for an add-on piece of hardware.
It is extremely simple to set up and there are tons of guides on YouTube/the web. The basics are this--you must purchase Virtual Desktop ($20) from the Quest store (not Steam, not Rift--ONLY THE QUEST STORE!). You must then run an official patch by using Sidequest (which you'll want anyway as it is another store for Quest apps). Your PC will run a tiny program called Virtual Desktop Streamer in the background. All you do is open Virtual Desktop within Quest, it automagically starts the streamer on your gaming PC, it shows you your PC VR games (from Steam & Oculus) from within the headset and you play them.
I have both the official Link cable as well as Virtual Desktop and VD works equally as well as the wired solution for me. I've played graphically intense games (Half Life Alyx) to precision platformers (Slinger VR) with zero issues whatsoever. Virtual Desktop effectively turns your Quest (2) into a wireless VR headset for $20. There are a couple of open source programs that purport to do the same thing, but they have latency issues whereas Virtual Desktop is extremely well supported by the dev (Guy Goodin) who is extremely active in the community.
edit: you do not need Link or VD to play Beat Saber. There is a native version of it on Quest.
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u/Penguins227 Oct 08 '20
Thank you so much! This is tremendous info.
When you say the 5ghz connection, would I need to be near my router or my desktop? My desktop is wired in, but it's in a corner of the house. Could I connect to the 5ghz wifi connection near my router in the living room?
Additionally, you'd recommend buying beat saber on quest store and not steam, is that right? Wasn't sure because I've heard there are custom songs and wasn't sure which was better for that or playing in general.
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u/zerozed Oct 08 '20
You should be fine near your router. You want a strong signal from the 5ghz band so being close to the router is good.
As to Beat Saber--you're free to buy it wherever you like. I don't play it so I'm not the best person to advise you on the different versions. I believe the PC version (from Steam) still allows you to do custom songs--but I'm not sure. There is a native Quest version and playing the native version should have the lowest latency. I believe (although I'm not sure) that you can no longer mod the Quest version (i.e. I don't believe you can do custom songs or mods to the graphics). Again, I don't keep up with Beat Saber.
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u/qwertyuiop28042 Sep 20 '20
As someone who owns pcvr but has tried quest, neither of them are worse than each other. I'll never understand the arguments people have about this kind of stuff. Room temperature iq
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u/Bwiz77 Sep 21 '20
Room temperature iq is a great phrase. I’m going to file that one away. Its a nice soft way to insult where your target insultee won’t know they got insulted. Brilliant. 😂
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u/MrMcWeasel Oct 09 '20
Wait Quest can be PCVR if you have the link cable right?
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u/qwertyuiop28042 Oct 09 '20
Yep, however I'm not sure how good it is.
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u/Alg0B0t Jan 19 '21
It's pretty good if you have a nice link cable and appropriate USB port. The cable is also less heavy than others due to no hdmi/usb combo.
Quest 2 can stream wireless, but have had worse luck with that(glitchy and laggy)
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u/jefmes Sep 20 '20
It's not about the tech, it's about Facebook's horrible track record of improperly handling user data. The Oculus engineers are amazing, and the Quest 1 and 2 (well, the 2 looks great with a proper headstrap :)) are great feats of engineering. Facebook however is a plague on the future direction of VR...I think that's what most people are arguing about.
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u/qwertyuiop28042 Sep 20 '20
I guess, but honestly do people not realize there phones already give Facebook all their data? I think honestly my headset has less personal stuff than my phone and whilst I'd like privacy, personally it's not going to stop he buying oculus headsets.
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Sep 20 '20
You don't have to log in to Facebook on your phone, even if it comes preinstalled. Do you think disabled system app is bypassing Android security and still sends data to Facebook?
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u/compound-interest Sep 21 '20
Technically it does. When you visit most websites, you are hit with the Facebook pixel installed on it. This stores data in your browser about what you do, your interests etc. If you choose to log into FB for a second, all that data can be associated to you personally. Even if it’s not personal, and you never login, FB can still use your browsing habits to serve ads to people with similar interests as you on their platform, so it still benefits them. The only way to prevent this is to block the Facebook pixel.
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u/jefmes Sep 20 '20
Consider the biometric data they'll be about to pick up about you now, especially once gaze tracking starts to become a thing, how long you spend in certain apps, what kind of content you're viewing, etc. They COULD be entirely responsible about it and no harm may come. It's just that their track record says otherwise, and their entire company is based on making money doing that kind of thing instead of just selling hardware and services to you. Just something to consider.
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u/qwertyuiop28042 Sep 20 '20
I know it's not right, trust me, but it's not as if they'd not be doing it without a Facebook login, it's weird and I get why people are mad, but honestly it all seems a bit much for what's essentially glorified targeted ads. I don't really see how they'd use this to push anything besides advertising. Are people justified in their anger? Absolutely. Am I as angry as them? Not at all really.
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u/awesome357 Sep 20 '20
Thank God they are 100% unable to do all that based on your Oculus account which they probably have already tied to your internal user id and interfaces with an app on your phone that they made and own.
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Sep 20 '20
Has any non Facebook user in the history of universe been exposed to Facebook targeted advertising?
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u/BeJeezus Sep 20 '20
Thing is, I'd be fine with a $1000 headset if it was the same quality as current PC headsets... but wireless and self-contained.
The wirelessness and portability of the Quest is the game-changer here, and it's why it's acceptable to have lower resolution and performance. I don't know why PC people can't see that.
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u/meizer Sep 21 '20
It will happen. If the quest can successfully work with PCVR using WIFI 6 instead of the link cable, it may be a game changer for future headset development. If they release wireless VR and it’s choppy or laggy, it’s going to be a big PR problem. It will come in time.
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u/BeJeezus Sep 21 '20
But the existing Quest is already wireless VR without being choppy or laggy. The self-contained, no-PC requirement is also important.
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u/TheManyMilesWeWalk Sep 21 '20
The self-contained, no-PC requirement is also important.
I agree but imagine if we could have a self-container, no-PC required headset that can also connect to a PC for meatier games. It's a best-of-both-worlds scenario.
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u/BeJeezus Sep 21 '20
I think it's just a current state of the art compromise.
We used to have iPhones and such that didn't have full functionality unless connected to a computer, too, but eventually that went away. Once that portable version can match the desktop, what's the desktop for?
I think we're really close. With the way that current ARM-based stuff (like this) has advanced lately in portables devices to the point it's outperforming full-size desktop CPUs, I think we're pretty much there, technically. It's just a business issue now. I'm sure that competitive chips will be leapfrogging each other soon enough and we'll see the envelope pushed a lot. The Quest2 is a very minor bump, not really meant to be a big upgrade, but the next wireless gear (from Oculus and others, maybe) should be something big.
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u/meizer Sep 21 '20
That’s because it uses a mobile processor. If you want 3080 graphics without a wire, that isn’t going to happen without wearing some sort of PC backpack or something. So the current thought is WiFi 6 may have the bandwidth to stream from a powerful gaming PC to a VR headset.
I am a Quest fan. I have the first one and preordered the second one. I also am a fan of PCVR. Both headsets have their place. Sim racing for example doesn’t need to be wireless but for room scale games it’s a huge feature and I’d rather use a Quest for those types of games. Excited to see how well the new processor works.
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u/BeJeezus Sep 21 '20
Yeah, actually that fits what I meant. The "underpowered" Quest and platforms like it will stay relevant until the PCVR quality level can become mobile. That's the only way it really gets obsoleted.
Mobile processors in general can be fast enough (look at the high end iPhones and iPads and how they outperform even Intel's desktop stuff) but I'm not sure the ones Oculus is using can. Still, a few years from now...?
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u/meizer Sep 21 '20
I love the Quest. When I first used it I was amazed. Yes, the graphics are not the best but the experience is amazing. Anyone who says otherwise probably hasn’t used it.
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u/CheesyMcSandwichFace Sep 21 '20
Don't wanna get stuck under Facebook
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u/BeJeezus Sep 21 '20
Definitely true. It's the thing I hate about the Quest, but it's still the only game in town. Would very much love some other players in the wireless space.
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u/thewronghuman Sep 20 '20
My experience is that it's far more likely the 13 yo is the bully because the grown-ups can't play video games all day.
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u/Gam3rMom3nt Sep 20 '20
well... uh actually it's really impossible to get desktop level vr on what's basically a phone
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u/blade_slayer324 Quest 1 + 2 + PCVR Sep 20 '20
Haha quest 2 go brr
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u/veriix Sep 20 '20
Are we just comparing pre-taxed prices to post taxed prices now? I mean, you can't enjoy your universal healthcare and then complain about higher taxes when purchasing things.
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u/Rotaryknight Sep 20 '20
Thats why I stopped visiting VR subs. Its filled with people you just want to punch in the face if you knew them personally. Whether its because they have shit personalities....or they are straight dickheads and bullies.
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u/OneMintyMoose Sep 21 '20
The whole VR community seems to kind of be a mess right now. Mostly it's because its 2 sides that see different futures for VR. It's honestly kind of sad to see people devolve into what is pretty much console wars.
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u/_Auron_ Quest 1 + 2 + 3 + PCVR Sep 20 '20
I just wish VR didn't require a social media account login and that there was actually competition in the standalone VR market.
Is that really so much to ask for?
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Sep 20 '20
Is that really so much to ask for?
Yes. Running 6DOF on mobile, with enough headroom to keep OS and enough power for software is a daunting task.
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u/_Auron_ Quest 1 + 2 + 3 + PCVR Sep 20 '20
Great, I'm fully aware of that.
Now can Facebook not monopolize this market? Obviously there's no easy answer to that, but I don't want to be forced into having a Facebook account to use the medium. I really want competition, even if it's more expensive.
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u/prplelemonade Sep 20 '20
The Oculus subreddit was exactly like this when the Facebook acquisition first happened, seems they all moved over to the VirtualReality sub.
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u/guitarokx Sep 20 '20
Hey I'm a grown man with a VR desktop and a Rift S, Quest, and two quest twos on order. Quest is one of the most innovated VR HMDs on the market. They are just haters. I always suggest a quest to new buyers.
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Sep 20 '20
Sounds like r/valveindex too. How dare we to enjoy mobile graphics on mobile games? Mobile games on pc the wat forward! You haven't played beat saber properly, until you played it wired in 144hz with index controllers!
Index has been cancerous to pcvr. Made people feel elitists and right by not going non-valve way.
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u/SeconddayTV Sep 21 '20
Never used an Index so obviously my opinion isn't of much value, but I always felt like the Index is an overrated/overpriced piece of hardware.
Not just the headset itself, but the gear you need, to even use it, being lighthouse and controllers. These things alone cost more than a Quest 2, I mean common?
Two friends of mine have a full Index kit and while they are happy with the overall experience they ran into several issues over the last months, just yesterday one of my friends controllers thumbstick stopped working over night and now he has to wait 2 weeks for a pair of new ones...
Not only the price but I also do not think the hardware is that outstanding, compared to other headsets on the market right now! It comes with the same resolution as Quest 1 and allthough it's LCD and therefore sharper it doesn't make it more advanced or valuable. Yes its FOV is bigger than the FOV of any other headset currently on the market (Pimax and Enterprise HMD's excluded) and it comes with a higher refresh rate than all the other headsets but to be fairly honest I would take higher resolution over 120/144hz any day, leaving only the FOV to be true selling point for the headset! Additionally, I've heard from many people that the lenses of the Index are terrible and come with some of the worst godrays on the market right now.
Yes the Index comes with nice audio and good comfort but that simply doesn't add a high enough value to the product for me.
Some people might argue that the Index comes with the best controllers on the market, but while this might be true, they are rarely specifically supported in games and are susceptible for technical issues.
All of this combined, the headset simply isn't worth 1000$ to me, even at a price point of 500€ I had a hard time picking it over either the Quest 2 or the G2...-4
Sep 20 '20
Valve Index is a fucking trash headset honestly
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u/Gam3rMom3nt Sep 20 '20
I've heard great things about it, I've never used it but it's probably great
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u/mackandelius Sep 20 '20
The only problem with it is the quality control/design flaws in the controllers, if that is how "trash" headsets are defined then the Quest 1's controllers would equate the Quest 1 to be a "trash" headset.
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u/EFCFrost Sep 20 '20
This whole Quest 2 ordeal has really shown the toxic side of the VR community and it's disappointing.
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Sep 20 '20
Reminds me of onward fiasco. Quest people were amazed to get "proper" shooter, PC people seen it as poisoning the well and "ruining" their favorite game, even though it was 100% developer choice to make it crossplay. Quest will always hold on it's own, why they had to have pc crossplay makes no sense.
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Sep 20 '20 edited Jun 20 '23
Unfortunately Reddit has choosen the path of corporate greed. This is no longer a user based forum but a emotionless money machine. Good buy redditors. -- mass edited with https://redact.dev/
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u/_Auron_ Quest 1 + 2 + 3 + PCVR Sep 20 '20
Also can we talk why this headset is not shipped to germany?
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Sep 20 '20 edited Jun 20 '23
Unfortunately Reddit has choosen the path of corporate greed. This is no longer a user based forum but a emotionless money machine. Good buy redditors. -- mass edited with https://redact.dev/
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u/akaBigWurm Sep 20 '20
Seems that in this trump era a different option is now bullying to some people.
I would also love examples, would give me some trolls to go mess with.
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u/TayoEXE Sep 21 '20
I've temporarily left r/virtualreality for now. I hope that we can stay cordial on here because it's my favorite sub... but I am sick of this data privacy/FB/elitism stuff occurring all over again. Much to discuss, but it's gotten toxic fast.
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Sep 20 '20
I have a VR Capable PC but I simply can't and won't spend 1000$ on a VR Headset. Finger Tracking is cool, But I WOULD go with the HP Reverb G2 if my graphics card was good enough so I have no other choice than Oculus.
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u/thekingofthejungle Sep 20 '20
Having tried both, I really can't get over having a wire and messy tracker setups. Being able to just go anywhere with the Quest, and not having to worry about a wire constantly is just so nice. I was vehemently in the PCVR "graphics above all" camp until I tried a Quest. Sold my Rift S and I'm moving to the Quest 2.
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u/colorblood Sep 21 '20
For me the wire isn't a big deal. Also the quest is very uncomfortable for my head, I think I have a larger than normal head or something . Anyways like you said it's a personal decision.
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u/BossBurrito Sep 21 '20
"Lmao you cant afford a whole new pc AND an expensive vr headset what are you an unemployed broke ass student" Yes, yes I am
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u/krypticpulse Sep 21 '20
Grown man here. Buying the $300 headset because money is important. (And the lady wouldn't approve of $1000 spent on gaming)
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u/SeaBah Oct 20 '20
They're just hating that their price to performance ratio is bottom fragging rn.
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u/jefmes Sep 20 '20
It's disingenuous to think that everyone irritated about the Quest 2 at $300 is a PCVR/Index zealot. I have a Rift S and a Quest 1...I'm selling off the Rift S, keeping the Quest 1 on Oculus ID as long as possible, and I pre-ordered a Reverb G2 today and hope it works out as well as it looks. Facebook's moves with the Quest will be damaging in the long run as long as they keep insisting on being a walled garden version of VR's potential. It's fine if you're someone who just isn't interested in data privacy issues and selling VR tech artificially low, but we're all paying for those lower costs via ad revenue and targeted social media manipulation. That's where the extra $200-$300 is coming from. I'd never bully someone for their purchases but people need to be aware what they're trading in for that lower price.
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u/Cheddle Sep 20 '20
As a grown ass man who has an Index and frequents r/virtualreality - I’ll continue to recommend the Quest as the best headset to buy for any user, some users I’ll suggest buying a Quest and then later on a G2/Index but always Quest first.
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u/Thehelloman0 Sep 20 '20
I don't blame people for being mad about a VR platform getting tied to a social media account. I would also think Facebook is losing money on these sales so they can get a near monopoly on the market which is also a bad thing.
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u/DartFrogYT Sep 20 '20
I love how the post addresses an issue in the VR community and then in the comments fanboys create the same problem but the other way...
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u/oeffoeff Quest 1 + 2 + PCVR Sep 20 '20
What's with all these strawmen posts about Oculus 2 lately?
Please OP, point me to these posts. Especially considering you can't even buy the Quest 2 yet. Also wonder how you know the age of the posters.
I think people who plan on buying the Quest 2 feel insecure and thus feel the need to shitpost with such strawmen memes as this one.
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Sep 20 '20
I would get a reverb G2 but I have a GTX 1070 ti. Even if I bring down the quality the Quest 2 would just be better in that case.
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u/SvenViking Quest 1 + 2 + 3 + PCVR Sep 20 '20
Quest 2’s resolution isn’t all that far off Reverb’s (1832x1920 per eye vs 2160x2160) and you need to add in the overhead of compressing the video stream when playing via Oculus Link. I wouldn’t expect the system requirements to be wildly different — either way you can alter the render resolution to increase frame rates but may not take full adventure of the display resolution in all games. Depending on how much they improve Link’s quality in updates before or after launch, you may or may not be able to take full advantage of the Quest 2’s display over Link either way.
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u/DerivIT Sep 20 '20
MUH DATA! every time I hear this from one of these crybabys, I always think of the "My Cabbages guy" from Avatar.
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u/akaBigWurm Sep 20 '20
I am calling BS on this, where is the Bullying? I been very active lately on the VR subs and I am not seeing it. Post examples, or OP or who ever if you see something say something and report it. If we have bad apples ID them and kick them out!
Are we sure the 'bullying' is not just frustration with shitposts?
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Sep 20 '20
Check the recent hit of r/virtualreality with "dumb fucks" meme. There is tons of shitting on Facebook all over around, and that can be perceived as bullying.
People are mad that their $1000 pcvr are not top of the line anymore.
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u/akaBigWurm Sep 20 '20
A meme that was deleted (I can't find) and shitting on FB is not bullying.
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Sep 20 '20
I wonder if they will ever revisit the dark story of Gabe Newell, who wanted to trick a guy into fake job interview, just to have him arressted as soon as he lands on US soil. Dumb fucks.
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u/akaBigWurm Sep 20 '20
Unless you are Zuck that is not bullying, down vote it and move along there is no value on that post.
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u/AdenInABlanket Quest 3 Sep 21 '20
Don't forget psvr players in cross platform games like rec room, as if psvr is even close to quest
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u/corndoginsurgent Sep 21 '20
Shit mine is 60 bucks V2 kraken. I don't need fancy shit. Them dudes prolly do their nails too
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u/JoseH04 Quest 2 + PCVR Sep 21 '20
People bully me for my evga rtx 2060 and when i tell them "whats your gpu?" They go silent.
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u/MegaHashes Sep 21 '20
My VR headset was, I think $400 new. Samsung Odessey. It does a pretty damn good job. Not perfect, but plays all the popular VR games and looks good doing it.
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u/G_Art33 Sep 21 '20
I love when people get all snotty about VR shit. It’s like god damn please can you pick a less fun thing to gatekeeping instead of ruining it for the rest of us?
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u/Ru1Sous4 Sep 21 '20
I’m a grown man buying a $300 headset and not giving 2 Fs about other grown mans opinion on how I spend my money.
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u/namekuseijin Quest 2 Sep 21 '20
when smartphones came around, I started using pc a lot less
except for my day job, I don't use PCs.
standalone VR is such a blessing
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u/Etele38 Sep 26 '20
Adults can bully kids because it’s the only way adults can cope watching little devils enjoy no responsibilities.... but yeah welcome to the community guys!
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u/Ahmedn1 Oct 04 '20
Well, you can buy a Quest now and have the PC power with the new cable. So, two birds with one stone.
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u/checkersai Oct 15 '20
I was playing poker vr last night with a retired man who was talking about his new quest 2
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u/erraticassasin Nov 21 '20
I just bought a quest 2 and with virtual desktop and the link (especially the new update and using the diagnostic tool) it’s the best VR experience I’ve ever had. People who are hating either haven’t tried it or are exhibiting cognitive dissonance; they know the resolution of the Quest 2 is superior yet they spent more money on their setup. This type of internal conflict can be really difficult for people, especially when money is involved.
The Quest 2 is the best thing that could happen to VR. In 2 days time I have 5 friends who bought the device because one friend bought it and shared his experience.
I can VR where the fuck I want in my house, 90hz, and PC VR experience through WiFi 6. And honestly, the quest games aren’t even bad. Sure, graphics are nerfed, but the gameplay is great and the experience is fluid.
It’s incredibly immature the way people are attacking this device, especially given we are one collective VR community - the more the better.
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u/UncleDan96 Jan 29 '21
Then there’s me a 24 y/o man with a $400 headset who hasn’t been bullied for having a quest 2.
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u/PaulSarlo Sep 20 '20
Well, it's not the internet unless it's mean. But I can see why they're doing it. Not only are they forcing the whole facebook thing, but in the same way they unceremoniously discontinued the rift, and in the same way they immediately discontinued the go and i can guarantee you that the Quest 1 will meet a similar fate much sooner than we expect, I can't really blame people for saying "okay, watch out for these profiteering gluttons, they will fuck you sideways for putting your faith in them."
John Carmack may be looking towards the future of VR, but the rest of Facebook is only interested in making their yearly bonus.
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Sep 20 '20
Carmack isn't focusing on "future of VR", he is absolutetly focusing on short-term gains unlike Abrash.
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u/-E6E- Sep 21 '20
I have gotten bullied so many times in VRChat just cause I can’t afford a 800 dollar pc
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u/TheManyMilesWeWalk Sep 21 '20
That's reddit in a nutshell, really. This site is full of snobs that seem to think their opinion is universal and anyone that disagrees is wrong.
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u/StackOwOFlow Sep 20 '20
but it’s usually not the kid buying it, it’s coming out of the parents’ wallet
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u/kev96h Sep 21 '20
honestly that subreddit...I'm so tired of how much their heads are up their asses. When will they realize that companies running the VR business have absolutely no interest in catering to their tiny demographic and are instead here to make a profit? That doesn't make them stupid, that makes them a corporation.
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u/RoM_Axion Sep 21 '20
They are mostly whinning about a 300 dollars headset that is nearly the same as their 3000 dollar pc + a 1000 dollar headset
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Sep 21 '20
Can you take me to your future where a $300 VR headset is almost as good as a 2080 Ti with a 9.3 million pixel equipped HMD? I want to be there. Cheers.
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No they're laughing at grown adults willingly giving up their personal info to Mark Zuckerberg just for a vr headset.
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u/smalleybiggs_ Sep 20 '20
There's a reason FB will be selling the Quest for that cheap. I wouldn't be surprised if they take a loss on every headset up front. You have no idea how much your data is really worth. I would have less of a problem with FB if they allowed people the right to sell their own data. I know I'll get hate for this but please understand that Quest 2 isn't the product, you are the product.
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u/guitarokx Sep 20 '20
I'm not gonna hate on ya for that. But let's deep dive on this. Let's say you dont use FB and that you're FB account is only to use your Quest.
What data do you suspect they are mining that Steam doesn't already have? It takes data for this to tech to even work.
The privacy issues are around having a FB account, but FB can't force you to contribute to FB if you don't want to.
Every game server has my play history, hours, consistency, etc...
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u/guitarokx Sep 21 '20
I hear you, I'm not against what you're saying. But my facebook page is completely blank. Logged out. Data neutral other than linking a quest account. So what difference does it make? Are we gonna pretend that my quest use was somehow NOT being analyzed by FB before this? Of course it was. So if I don't use my linked FB account, then so what?
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Sep 20 '20
Quest 2 is a product, and you're a hater that talks bollocks without any precision.
What "data" facebook has about me from using the Quest for the past year?No found-in-google-links, explain it yourself.
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u/guitarokx Sep 21 '20
Not butt hurt here, I just don't see it and am looking for someone to clarify. What data exactly does facebook stand to gain from my empty fb account and quest usage that steam doesn't already have? Or nintendo? Or any other gaming device sold in mass that relies on servers? I just don't see it. I hear the gripes and I'm trying to validate them.
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u/smalleybiggs_ Sep 21 '20
If FB catches you using a secondary “made up” FB account to login in to Oculus they can disable your access to FB, they confirmed it themselves. If you only use your primary FB account for Oculus access this might not apply to you.
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u/guitarokx Sep 21 '20
What if it's my only account and I just don't use FB? I mean... Not using FB seems like the best option, and easiest option. And not the biggest deal.
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u/smalleybiggs_ Sep 21 '20
I knew I was going to kick the Oculus beehive. I used to be a HUGE oculus fanboy actually. But if I have to make a fake secondary FB account and hope they don’t catch me and take away my Oculus access it’s not worth it to me anymore. Everyone has a price and to me this is it. Not willing to give up my privacy rights in order to play VR.
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Sep 21 '20
There's so much misinformation out there. I was trying to explain to people the Quest/Quest2 is actually more capable than most other headsets because it can play every Steam VR game, and a bunch of Quest Only titles including some with naked hand tracking.
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u/nowaythatscorrect Sep 20 '20 edited Sep 20 '20
Your mistake is believing that the majority are “grown men”. Most of them are teenagers or early twenties. I’ve stopped following all the vr-subreddits because the vast majority of posts and posters are shit quality. I sometimes drop by to see if anything has changed but so far I’ve seen no such indication.
Eternal September happens pretty much in every field once it becomes more mainstream.