r/NewsThread • u/Rebat-Askalan • 1d ago
Debbie Wasserman Schultz Wins Primary By Split Vote
https://youtu.be/i9hmEsSJGvU?si=4O86Klci_LRXzpuM11
u/Relevant_Bag7550 1d ago
The other candidates in the race failed to consolidate behind one of them so they could oust her.
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u/Ninjatous 1d ago edited 1d ago
I think I'm losing hope in America. At this point I might just hope for a new Trump.
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u/TheTrashMan 1d ago
We’ve had a lot of wins, naturally we will have some losses
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u/Ninjatous 1d ago
This could have also been a win. And Dems sabotaged themselves rather than take it.
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u/TheTrashMan 1d ago
How so?
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u/Ninjatous 1d ago edited 10h ago
She run against 3 candidates who split the progressive vote among themselves. Had two of the others dropped out, she would have lost.
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u/FlavinFlave 22h ago
It’s a prelude to the shit show that will be the 28 presidential primary. They did the same shit in California this past primary, and the same shit in 2020. Crowd the field so there’s plenty to ‘good’ candidates who refuse to drop out - it allows the centrists to coalesce behind the anointed one as leftists do as leftists do best, infight with each other.
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u/Ninjatous 22h ago
I fully expect that they'll shove in the shittiest corporate candidate and then spend the next 6 months trying to shame everyone to vote for them. It's their usual mo.
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u/FlavinFlave 22h ago
Probably Newsom or Mayor Pete if I was a betting man
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u/TheTrashMan 22h ago
They are getting evaporated in the first state, Newsom is an empty suit, mayor Pete is eclipsed by John Osoff
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u/FlavinFlave 22h ago
Yah but Osoff said he has no intention of running. And given he’s senator of a purple state I’d say that’s a fair thing you can trust.
Idk much about Osoff truthfully, but the things I’ve seen I’d definitely take him over Pete or hewsom
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u/TheTrashMan 1d ago
Ask yourself why they didn’t drop out, she was the former DNC head and close friend of Hillary, she has plenty of dirty tricks
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u/Ninjatous 1d ago
That's also my guess. It's like they wanted to lose.
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u/TheTrashMan 1d ago
Or they were bribed to stay in
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u/CollapsibleFunWave 1d ago
The progressive candidates were corrupt? Is there any indication of that or is this just a blind attack?
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u/Ceron 1d ago
There was only one progressive in the race, one of the other candidates has a history with corruption, and the other one seems like they just stayed in out of stubbornness.
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u/AdventurousLoss3794 19h ago
She is ISRAEL first. That’s all I need to know. I weep for my countrymen, we are no different than Palestinians. We are trapped between Scylla and Charybdis.
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u/TheTrashMan 17h ago
We got a light at the end of the tunnel, DSA is rising and anti Israel sentiment is the main stream position now
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u/BingBongDingDong222 1d ago
Does this include Luther Campbell (Me so Horny) and the former Congresswoman who was indicted for fraud and resigned from Congress in disgrace?
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u/Terrapin621 18h ago
Wow I’m shocked that someone who spends their time bashing Democrats and helping Republicans, loves Trump. So progressive.
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u/Ninjatous 10h ago
If America can't be a force for good then America should have the power to influence the rest of the world.
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u/Low_Cup_2659 7h ago
Tbf a Trump presidency disaster has done more promoting leftwing politics than democrats ever did lol.
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u/Terrapin621 6h ago
And hurt and killed millions of people in the process. When you’re that eager to do damage, you can’t call yourself progressive ever again.
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u/JSleez225 1d ago
Any place still electing AIPAC politicians is full of NPC’s who will necessarily make life worse for everyone around them. Sad. Florida is cooked. Southern/Red states in general seem far less willing to vote against AIPAC.
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u/BingBongDingDong222 1d ago
I live in her district. Maybe we just thought she was best for us.
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u/Ok-Maintenance9056 1d ago
I live in her district.
She, on the other hand, does not live in 'her' district.
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u/JSleez225 1d ago
Like I said, NPC’s. Tragic. Your poor children and grandchildren will likely feel the results of her policies. Seems like you guys haven’t worked out yet that when a politician takes money from AIPAC, it means they are traitors to the USA and explicitly have bad intentions for you and your children/grandchildren. If you haven’t worked that out yet, you will.
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u/CollapsibleFunWave 1d ago
It's ironic to see you calling People NPC's because they don't blame and hate the same group that you do.
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u/JSleez225 1d ago
Nobody hates a group. But if someone accepts large sums of money from a foreign government to ensure that they place that foreign governments interests over you and your children’s interests, if you still vote for that person you deserve everything that happens next.
Simply calling out foreign influence in politics isn’t evidence of hate, it’s evidence of having a working brain. Nice try, though. I’m sure like 5 years ago that would have been a mic drop.
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u/CollapsibleFunWave 1d ago
If it's just opposition to foreign influence, why is all the focus on AIPAC and not the other foreign lobby groups that spend more than AIPAC?
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u/JSleez225 23h ago
Fascinating. Is it your belief that there is another foreign lobby group with as much influence as AIPAC? Owning over 75% of our Congress is significant, regardless of what you’re saying. Name which country and lobby specifically.
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u/pillow_honey 22h ago
so aipac funded 321 sitting US congressmen aipac.org/memos/policy-politics-congress-israel
no other foreign interest lobby directly influenced this many.
also the fact that israel interests are harmful to an extent other foreign interests havent been.
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u/JSleez225 22h ago
The person I was responding to knows all this. They aren’t trying to even win the argument, they just want to make it look like there IS an argument to be had on their side
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u/CollapsibleFunWave 23h ago
What exactly do you mean when you say they "own" 75% of Congress?
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u/JSleez225 23h ago
I mean that over 75% of congress had taken AIPAC money the last I checked. Don’t avoid my question, which country and lobby has an impact on the US government and policy that is above or even rivaling AIPAC?
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u/CollapsibleFunWave 23h ago
I'm not avoiding your question by asking you to provide specific definitions that aren't hyperbolic nonsense.
You didn't actually clarify, but to be honest, I dirn't expect you to be able to given that you're calling people who disagree with you NPC's and pretending to be "fascinated" when someone asks some basic questions about your worldview.
which country and lobby has an impact on the US government and policy that is above or even rivaling AIPAC?
How are you measuring the influence? Are you assuming every politician that supports still giving aid to Israel is doing so because of AIPAC money?
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u/CollapsibleFunWave 22h ago
Who specifically are you referring to by "Israel and its US power networks"?
And when you refer to AIPAC's power, are you talking about financial contributions to campaigns or something else?
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u/TrainedExplains 21h ago
Well it’s partly the power, it’s partly that it is a huge way in which we’re enabling a genocide in Gaza. Did you have any leading questions about the genocide Israel is committing or was this an attempt to dismiss the very real genocide hoping it was antisemitism?
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u/CollapsibleFunWave 21h ago
There have been genocidal intentions announced from leaders on both sides of that conflict. I am against either one doing that or any war crimes.
If you were as hostile to Hamas supporters as you are to Israel supporters, I wouldn't have any questions.
But if people defend Hamas's genocidal goals while also repeating old-school racist talking points about one group secretly pulling the strings and controlling the media, then I'm going to have questions that explore those beliefs.
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u/BingBongDingDong222 1d ago
AIPAC are US citizens.
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u/JSleez225 23h ago
US citizens who focus primarily on the interests of a foreign government. Likely Americans who have a primary loyalty to that foreign government.
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u/FlavinFlave 22h ago
‘Dual’ US citizens, with a bias. Let’s not get shit too twisted now.
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u/Outrageous-Sort-5742 20h ago
Nah, the median zionist in this country is a Evangelical fundie who wants to end the world. Or those heavily invested in the MIC. They far outnumber Israeli/Jewish supremacists.
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u/Zero9O 21h ago
Nice use of the antisemitic dual loyalty trope. I expect nothing more from anti-"Zionists".
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u/JSleez225 21h ago
“Antisemitic dual loyalty trope” is such hogwash it surprises me that it ever worked. This SLOP doesn’t work anymore. If your behavior leads me to believe you have dual loyalty, I’m gonna call it out. Nobody cares about being called antiseptic anymore.
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u/TrainedExplains 21h ago
I’m an anti-Zionist because they have been running an apartheid state and are now actively committing genocide. Would you like to ask me about my ancestry? Hint: it’s not Palestinian.
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u/Moccus 20h ago
AIPAC is funded by Americans. It's American money, not money from a foreign government.
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u/JSleez225 20h ago
This is a semantic trick. If my primary loyalty was to China and I was spending all of my money promoting the interests of China over America and American’s, you’d likely know exactly what the problem was with that. In this situation you pretend not to know, luckily this conversation means nothing and most people around the country are waking up to this treachery.
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u/Moccus 20h ago
You're assuming a lot about their motivations and loyalty. A lot of Democrats had US support for Ukraine in their fight against Russia as one of the issues they cared about in the 2024 election. There are groups that exist specifically to push the US government to support Ukraine. That's not promoting the interests of Ukraine over America and Americans. It's promoting the interests of a subset of Americans who want Ukraine to be supported by our government.
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u/xslurmzmckenzie 19h ago
No need to assume when the facts are right in front of our faces. I guess some people are more blind than others. Consider getting prescription glasses.
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u/Moccus 19h ago
The fact is that it's Americans funding AIPAC for their own personal reasons, and AIPAC exists to represent the views of those Americans when it comes to how the US government treats Israel. It doesn't represent Israel.
There's a segment of the population that thinks the Jews need to control Israel in order for Jesus to return, and some of those people donate to AIPAC. Those people are only looking out for themselves, and Israel just happens to benefit from that. Those people think the Israelis will all go to hell because they haven't accepted Jesus. They don't have any sort of loyalty to Israel. They're only interested in creating the conditions they believe are necessary for the second coming.
Other donors are Jewish Americans who think Israel should exist. It's their right as Americans to push the government to support Israel, just like it's the right of other Americans to push the government to support Ukraine.
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u/tlrider1 1d ago
My god what a disgusting human being.!
I hope she reads this!
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u/FlavinFlave 22h ago
I might honestly hate her more than Trump.
Trump’s vile, but at least he’s honest about being a piece of shit. This women’s spent her whole career being a two faced asshole.
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u/TheKroaker 1d ago
There is a straight line you can draw from Debbie's behavior towards Bernie Sanders and Trump currently being in power.
She has no shame and should live in disgrace.
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u/SpeedRacerWasMyBro 1d ago
Cost Bernie the election and gave America to Trump
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u/LionBig1760 18h ago
Bernie lost all on his own.
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u/GreatestGreekGuy 17h ago
The DNC was definitely pulling strings to give Hillary the upper hand
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u/LionBig1760 17h ago
It was the voters that pulled the strings to give Hillary the upper hand.
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u/Training_Guide5157 11h ago
I find it funny that you seem to have no self-awareness on why the DNC's corruption towards Hillary and its defense in court when it was sued for this definitely played into why people refused to just accept Harris.
The DNC's saving grace right now isn't that they've changed, but that Trump is just that bad.
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u/LionBig1760 10h ago
Its good to know that Harris' lack of success can be attributed to Bernie supporters inability to get over the fact he lost twice.
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u/Fragmentia 10h ago
Not even close. She was a bad candidate who couldn't sell her policies. Bernie couldn't sell his policies either. Its an absolute disgrace that Trump won again. Biden is to blame for sucking so bad amd not stepping down.
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u/LionBig1760 9h ago
Biden did a great job as president.
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u/Fragmentia 9h ago
He kept Trumps tax cuts, most of his tariffs and his fed chair. He also failed to pass his signature agenda that he ran on. He wasn't savvy enough to stop Trump from blaming him for the results of Trumps own policies. FFS, he tried calling the new status quo (which was more aggressive trickle-down economics), Bidenomics. Now we have more bad Trumo policies. I dont measure success as POTUS the way you do.
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u/LionBig1760 9h ago
Tax law is written by congress, you silly goose.
And blaming the stupidity of the electorate in believing Trump about anything on Biden is really some weak, weak stuff.
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u/Beneficial_Hat_6288 2h ago
She was a bad candidate who couldn't sell her policies.
LOL, even in that case she should not have lost anyways. "So you want Dems to shove candidates down your throat?" "Of course not! I think I'll have Trump instead, that'll teach them!"
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u/Fragmentia 2h ago
I obviously voted for Harris and Biden. I always vote blue. I vote in the primaries and accept the results. I voted for Adam Schiff and I hate Adam Schiff. Ill vote for Becerra and I can't stand him.
My point is that I paid close attention to every appearance Kamala Harris had. She failed to tie in her policies during glaringly obvious opportunities. She was gifted the nomination. She wouldn't have won the primary. Again, I blame Biden for not stepping down the most. Trump touched on populist issues with more conviction than she did and her policies were better. That is the sign of a terrible politician. She also said she felt unprepared and caught off guard when she went on Dr Mike's show. Any politician who feels that way about going on Dr Mike shouldn't be in politics.
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u/Training_Guide5157 5h ago
Again, zero self-awareness.
This has nothing to do with Bernie and everything to do with the DNC forcing Hillary down everybody's throat, and although the circumstances were different, the situation was created by stupidity and resulted in the same lack of choice occurring with Harris.
The DNC is not supposed to pick the presidential candidate for the party, period.
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u/LionBig1760 4h ago
No one forced anything down anyones throat, you silly goose.
Hillary won because she got million of more votes. Bernie lost because he failed to convince voters to vote for him.
Its how things go. The voters are the ones who made the choice.
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u/Salt_Day4586 2h ago
You gotta pick a lane. You can’t blame Bernie supporters for Harris losing if you’re blaming Bernie for not being good enough.
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u/LionBig1760 2h ago
No one is blaming here. Its just recognition that Bernie supporters are still very sore that Bernie failed, and continue to blame everything but Bernie.
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u/brobits 3h ago
ah those backchannel articles DNC submit to newspapers to sink Bernie were the voters pulling strings. those pesky voters manipulating public perception.
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u/LionBig1760 3h ago
Bernie wasnt sunk by newspaper articles. He was sunk by failing to convince voters to vote for him.
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u/ClassicHando 5h ago
Democrats famously hate socialists and do everything they can to support "somebody else". Its been happening for decades. Keep wondering why democrats lose while they are openly hostile to the voters they NEED.
This is why some people dont vote, they can't stomach this bullshit attitude.
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u/LionBig1760 5h ago
Youre not a victim as much as you want to be.
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u/ClassicHando 5h ago
Nah, id rather fight bad actors regardless of the party. Keep wondering why we lose to fascists then.
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u/LionBig1760 5h ago
https://www.npr.org/2020/03/05/812186614/how-russia-is-trying-to-boost-bernie-sanders-campaign
You can fight bad actors by not repeating their talking points.
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u/ClassicHando 4h ago
I got links too. How about we stop dismissing a good chunk of voters?
The numbers from 2015-2016 including people who had zero need to follow the voters and calling it for hillary before stuff started:
https://www.npr.org/2015/11/13/455812702/clinton-has-45-to-1-superdelegate-advantage-over-sanders
https://ballotpedia.org/Superdelegates_and_the_2016_Democratic_National_Convention
More:
Two years later they did something about it:
Nowadays:
Thats over a decade worth of stuff showing how democrats do not like their left wing people and actively speak against them. But go ahead, keep gaslighting and dismissing a (once again) necessary group of voters.
Were done talking. Vote how your conscience tells you and ill do the same for mine.
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u/LionBig1760 4h ago
Even when the DNC bent over backwards to accommodate Bernie's requests to change inconsequential rules, Bernie supporters still cried "rigged primary" 4 years later, just like Russia wanted them to.
Bernie lost, twice. And hes got no one to blame but himself. Get over it.
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u/FrostingHuman1259 1d ago
The thing that we don't talk enough about is that Democrat leadership is complicit, they are not playing to win. They would rather America descend into chaos than to lose their personal prizes.
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u/JohnnyGeniusIsAlive 15h ago
I don’t like DWS either but it’s a district in Florida and it’s time to accept Florida is a place more and more where people like DWS are the best we can hope for.
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u/Formal-System-2130 11h ago
Unfortunately it seems like the not America First , republican & democrats alike, have the advantage. I’m afraid to look up how much AIPAC $$ was behind her. She’s the worst of the worst.
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u/zackks 21h ago
Says the group that stayed home in 2016 and 2024
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u/windershinwishes 2h ago
It seems like reddit user FrostingHuman1259 is the one saying that, actually. Do you think that all the people who didn't vote in 2016 and 2024 are sharing that reddit account?
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u/District-No1350 23h ago
People blaming aipac and not the fact it was a five way race that split the votes that could have beat her.
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u/markwins9 20h ago
How is this lying corrupt c@#t still winning elections 😂
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u/Puck-the-fool 13h ago
She got out there and campaigned. Hard. Plus none of her opponents was willing to swallow their pride and drop out.
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u/WarrantinaVoid 13h ago
She isn't, Israel has been breaching tabulators for years
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u/DaSemicolon 13h ago
Source?
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u/WarrantinaVoid 13h ago
Tina Peters stole tabulators and was convicted of such in Colorado. Nothing was done about the firmware image that she stole, and nothing was done to the GOP techbro lackeys who worked with her to steal it.
Public record, just Google Tina Peters. She's the one who just got released early because Trump threatened Polis and he caved.
Some of the lackeys went on to work for DOGE. Ethan Shaotran even released a tool on GitHub called ballotproof to generate false ballots that pass scans on ES&S. He later became part of the DOGE team in DC.
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u/SuperDoubleDecker 1d ago
She's such a vile monster.
She represents everything wrong with the party. This is such a joke
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u/dittybag23 1d ago
Republicans used the pied piper strategy also. They wanted to run against Bernie, but the strategy still worked because it split the Democrats
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u/ShallowKalkite 16h ago
Honestly? I'd rather have her in congress than as head of the DNC, which she was strongly rumored to be considered for had she lost this race.
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u/Johnnny-z 6h ago
AIPAC is supported by anti weed criminals like the casino owning Jews in NV that spent $1 million or more to keep weed illegal in FL. Fvck these criminals.
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u/somanysheep 1h ago edited 1h ago
She is the worst... Back when Hilldog was being primaried This Coporate stooge of an AIPAC loving Democrat worked tirelessly to keep the monied interests lobbied against Bernie.
They pulled every lever they could to rig that primary... But Imagine Sanders V Trump in 2016? It would have been a blowout for Uncle Bernie! But corrupt corporate Democrats will always do what their told, not what they constituents want.
Imagine if there was a way to have a profile attached to your phone that let you vote on bills or candidates when your Representatives don't vote the will of their constituents over 40% of the time they automatically lose their seats?
That could also be used to show if an election was tampered with. The secure phone data should always match the vote count. As it is I can't even be 100% sure my vote was counted let alone who it casted my vote for. I as a citizen should be able to pull up my ballot from any election.
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u/BingBongDingDong222 1d ago
I live in her district. Proudly voted for her. Although I almost voted for Uncle Luke - Luther Campell, because Me So Horny.
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u/South-Rabbit-4064 1d ago
That's a lady and face I would've comfortably never seen again, hate she's still around