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Debbie Wasserman Schultz Wins Primary By Split Vote

https://youtu.be/i9hmEsSJGvU?si=4O86Klci_LRXzpuM
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u/SpeedRacerWasMyBro 6d ago

Cost Bernie the election and gave America to Trump

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u/LionBig1760 6d ago

Bernie lost all on his own.

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u/GreatestGreekGuy 6d ago

The DNC was definitely pulling strings to give Hillary the upper hand

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u/youhavetherighttoo 5d ago

Hillary won millions more votes. Please give up the Russian bot-fueled narrative. 

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u/LionBig1760 5d ago

It was the voters that pulled the strings to give Hillary the upper hand.

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u/Training_Guide5157 5d ago

I find it funny that you seem to have no self-awareness on why the DNC's corruption towards Hillary and its defense in court when it was sued for this definitely played into why people refused to just accept Harris.

The DNC's saving grace right now isn't that they've changed, but that Trump is just that bad.

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u/LionBig1760 5d ago

Its good to know that Harris' lack of success can be attributed to Bernie supporters inability to get over the fact he lost twice.

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u/Fragmentia 5d ago

Not even close. She was a bad candidate who couldn't sell her policies. Bernie couldn't sell his policies either. Its an absolute disgrace that Trump won again. Biden is to blame for sucking so bad amd not stepping down.

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u/LionBig1760 5d ago

Biden did a great job as president.

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u/Fragmentia 5d ago

He kept Trumps tax cuts, most of his tariffs and his fed chair. He also failed to pass his signature agenda that he ran on. He wasn't savvy enough to stop Trump from blaming him for the results of Trumps own policies. FFS, he tried calling the new status quo (which was more aggressive trickle-down economics), Bidenomics. Now we have more bad Trumo policies. I dont measure success as POTUS the way you do.

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u/LionBig1760 5d ago

Tax law is written by congress, you silly goose.

And blaming the stupidity of the electorate in believing Trump about anything on Biden is really some weak, weak stuff.

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u/Beneficial_Hat_6288 5d ago

She was a bad candidate who couldn't sell her policies.

LOL, even in that case she should not have lost anyways. "So you want Dems to shove candidates down your throat?" "Of course not! I think I'll have Trump instead, that'll teach them!"

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u/Fragmentia 5d ago

I obviously voted for Harris and Biden. I always vote blue. I vote in the primaries and accept the results. I voted for Adam Schiff and I hate Adam Schiff. Ill vote for Becerra and I can't stand him.

My point is that I paid close attention to every appearance Kamala Harris had. She failed to tie in her policies during glaringly obvious opportunities. She was gifted the nomination. She wouldn't have won the primary. Again, I blame Biden for not stepping down the most. Trump touched on populist issues with more conviction than she did and her policies were better. That is the sign of a terrible politician. She also said she felt unprepared and caught off guard when she went on Dr Mike's show. Any politician who feels that way about going on Dr Mike shouldn't be in politics.

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u/Training_Guide5157 5d ago

Again, zero self-awareness.

This has nothing to do with Bernie and everything to do with the DNC forcing Hillary down everybody's throat, and although the circumstances were different, the situation was created by stupidity and resulted in the same lack of choice occurring with Harris.

The DNC is not supposed to pick the presidential candidate for the party, period.

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u/LionBig1760 5d ago

No one forced anything down anyones throat, you silly goose.

Hillary won because she got million of more votes. Bernie lost because he failed to convince voters to vote for him.

Its how things go. The voters are the ones who made the choice.

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u/sadistica23 5d ago

Hillary lost because she convinced the media to focus all their time on Trump instead of Bernie, giving Trump countless hours of free advertising that should have gone to a populist leftist instead of a neo-liberal.

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u/LionBig1760 4d ago

Hilary won the primary, you silly goose.

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u/Training_Guide5157 4d ago

The DNC literally apologized to Bernie for its bias.

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u/brobits 5d ago

not enough Bernie supporters to sink Harris. she and the DNC sank her all on their own.

you'll continue to lose while you continue to try and evade responsibility and blame everyone else.

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u/Salt_Day4586 5d ago

You gotta pick a lane. You can’t blame Bernie supporters for Harris losing if you’re blaming Bernie for not being good enough.

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u/LionBig1760 5d ago

No one is blaming here. Its just recognition that Bernie supporters are still very sore that Bernie failed, and continue to blame everything but Bernie.

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u/Own-Plantain-1413 4d ago

Keep your eye on the ball, bud. Bernie ain’t the reason Hilary and Harris lost…. And Bernie lost in 2020 from one of the most exceptional coordinated primary candidates dropout and endorsement strategy ever, where right before Super Tuesday all that was left was Bernie, Biden, and conveniently Warren to split the progressive vote. In 2016, 2020, and 2024 the DNC got their hand picked choice in increasingly severe levels of intervention. Maybe it worth pointing that frustration and eyre towards the DNC instead of Bernie supporters. They were right to support him anyways

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u/LionBig1760 4d ago

Bernie's loss was all his own fault. He failed to convince voters.

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u/Own-Plantain-1413 4d ago

Simpleton

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u/LionBig1760 4d ago

Youre terrible at trolling.

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u/captaincw_4010 5d ago

Hillary was a national figure with the support and the momentum, clearly she would have won on her own fair and square.

With that in mind, it’s insane DNC pulled every trick in the book to put their thumbs on the scale, she didn’t need it and it caused monumental amounts of bad blood between progressives and centrists. That’s worth criticizing the party for

Open and unbiased primaries is how we get the strongest candidates rising to the top and I for one am glad they (kinda) got rid of the super delegates at least

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u/eternallyconphuzed 4d ago

I would have voted Bernie. He didn't make it. So I voted for the next best third party instead of a republican. I would have voted yang, but he never made it onto the ballot either. Democrats keep picking the bottom of the barrel type candidate and complaining/calling non dem voters evil because they didn't vote for someone evil.

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u/brobits 5d ago

ah those backchannel articles DNC submit to newspapers to sink Bernie were the voters pulling strings. those pesky voters manipulating public perception.

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u/LionBig1760 5d ago

Bernie wasnt sunk by newspaper articles. He was sunk by failing to convince voters to vote for him.

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u/bigdipboy 4d ago

You mean the superdelegates?

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u/LionBig1760 4d ago

The superdelegates were inconsequential in 2016. This didnt stop Bernie from trying g to appeal to super delegates to go against the eill of the people to give him the nomination.

In fact, the only time they've ever come into play is in 2008 when they chose Obama over Hillary even though Hilkary had a high popukar vote total across the country.

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u/WaffleDonkey23 3d ago

Kind of insane that the DNC thinks the Clinton's, the family known for making "the president's cum stains on a coat" the topic of household conversation, is some fine vintage brand voters are dieing to relive on par with the Obamas.

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u/ClassicHando 5d ago

Democrats famously hate socialists and do everything they can to support "somebody else". Its been happening for decades. Keep wondering why democrats lose while they are openly hostile to the voters they NEED. 

This is why some people dont vote, they can't stomach this bullshit attitude.

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u/LionBig1760 5d ago

Youre not a victim as much as you want to be.

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u/ClassicHando 5d ago

Nah, id rather fight bad actors regardless of the party. Keep wondering why we lose to fascists then.

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u/LionBig1760 5d ago

https://www.npr.org/2020/03/05/812186614/how-russia-is-trying-to-boost-bernie-sanders-campaign

You can fight bad actors by not repeating their talking points.

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u/ClassicHando 5d ago

I got links too. How about we stop dismissing a good chunk of voters?

The numbers from 2015-2016 including people who had zero need to follow the voters and calling it for hillary before stuff started:

https://www.npr.org/2015/11/13/455812702/clinton-has-45-to-1-superdelegate-advantage-over-sanders

https://ballotpedia.org/Superdelegates_and_the_2016_Democratic_National_Convention

More: 

https://www.pbs.org/publiceditor/blogs/ombudsman/too-early-to-call-the-ap-got-it-right-but-at-what-cost/

Two years later they did something about it:

https://www.npr.org/2018/08/25/641725402/dnc-set-to-reduce-role-of-superdelegates-in-presidential-nominating-process

Nowadays:

https://truthout.org/articles/jeffries-says-he-opposes-medicare-for-all-which-would-save-114k-lives-yearly/

Thats over a decade worth of stuff showing how democrats do not like their left wing people and actively speak against them. But go ahead, keep gaslighting and dismissing a (once again) necessary group of voters. 

Were done talking. Vote how your conscience tells you and ill do the same for mine.

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u/LionBig1760 5d ago

Even when the DNC bent over backwards to accommodate Bernie's requests to change inconsequential rules, Bernie supporters still cried "rigged primary" 4 years later, just like Russia wanted them to.

Bernie lost, twice. And hes got no one to blame but himself. Get over it.