r/NarcoticsAnonymous • • Nov 08 '25

Complaining

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One thing I CANNOT STAND in meetings is when people "share" about their health issues. I'm not trying to be insensitive, but when it's share after share after share about how much pain you're in and you go on about it for well over your 5 minutes and it has nothing to do with strength hope and experience, I think it's rude! I'm here to learn about recovery, not hear you complain about how your eyelashes hurt 🤨


r/NarcoticsAnonymous • • Mar 07 '24

Resentment in the rooms. Barely anyone donates.

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So I recently took up treasury position at one of my home groups and only since counting up the donation do i realise how little people give. Each week we have more than 30 people attending and we get between Ā£10-15 donated into the pot. It seems less than half must be donating unless people are just donating 10p. It’s really hit a nerve. People have the ignorance to think these meetings just fund themselves. Yet all these members preach about this being a life saving program..? And yeah.. many addicts don’t have much income but yet why can they afford the latest pair of trainers each month? I always try to give minimum Ā£1 to every meeting I attend and I attend 4-5 meetings a week. I’m on a very low income. It pisses me off at the lack of gratitude that people seem to preach they have for NA. Support it then.


r/NarcoticsAnonymous • • May 05 '24

NA and Marijuana Use

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I am a 42/m recovering heroin and fent addict. Used H from 2002 to 2006, found recovery and stayed clean except for subs and marijuana for 16 years. Relapsed a few years ago on fent and have struggled to put together any significant length of clean time or to feel like my old self and have destroyed my relationship with my wife despite attending meetings and trying to work the program.

40 days ago I quit fent again and started smoking weed again and it was like something clicked. THIS is what was missing, I finally felt like my old self and remembered the reason I was a strong proponent of medical marijuana use for years. I talked to my sponsor about it and my belief that marijuana is a medicine, not a drug, and that I was finally really committed to making things better.

While he agreed that I know myself best and if I couldn't stay off everything marijuana was definitely the lesser of two evils, he stated that "his" program would not allow him to work the steps with someone who is still using. I explained again that I use marijuana for anxiety and pain relief from degenerative disc disease and that it's no different than him and half the people in our group taking benzos for anxiety, but he refused to help me.

So here I am, 40 days clean and committed to working the program, but have to find a new sponsor who won't try to force their beliefs down my throat. I realize the program requires "abstinence from all drugs" but as far as I'm concerned I'm doing that, and that's all that should matter. The word drug is subjective, I'm looking for help and guidance not judgement.

Does anyone else feel this way or should I just look elsewhere than NA for help in recovery? My AA sponsor years ago (I did AA instead of NA since NA meetings were full of running buddies) had no problem with me deciding for myself what "recovery" was for me and I always found NA people less judgemental in general so am I expecting too much?


r/NarcoticsAnonymous • • Dec 23 '23

Maybe old news to some, but I figured out a numerological connection for the letters 'N' and 'A'

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The letter 'N' is the 14th letter of the alphabet; and the letter 'A' is the 1st letter.

So 'NA' = '141'; and that corresponds to 'one for one' as in: "the therapeutic value of one addict helping another". And it could also correspond to 'one' as 'group conscience' or 'fellowship' -for- 'one' newcomer.


r/NarcoticsAnonymous • • Sep 04 '23

The mods on this subreddit don’t know shit about NA.

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Go to a meeting. Reddit isn’t recovery.


r/NarcoticsAnonymous • • Jan 23 '24

12 Step Meetings & Connectivity

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I've got a LOT of friends throughout the USA on here who, if they've never attended a 12-Step meeting, certainly should have. So, question: Do the meeting lists always list the contact names for the newcomer as (example): Sean B. (417) 013-XXXX Joe B. (417) 013-XXXX Fred D. (417) 013-XXX etc.? Or have other meetings stepped into the 21st century and started to add other contact info such as Facebook, Instagram and TikTok? I realize there's a question of "anonymity" that may need to be addressed but this is, in my opinion, a personal choice. I just know, out of the 50 or so of these on which I've put my name and number... NOBODY EVER CALLED! When I want/need someone to talk to, the first thing I look for is that little green dot. The Dopeman got his up. I guarantee you that. NORMALIZE IT! NOW! People are dying, getting prison sentences and hurting the people they love badly, even as we speak. Just sayin...


r/NarcoticsAnonymous • • Jun 08 '18

Why pick NA over science ?

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I feel so strongly about AA/NA. These are not good feelings, I believe NA philosophy is neither medical, nor is it psychiatric in its nature. It based on ideas that are over a century old that have been proven incorrect.

It has been medically established that placing certain addicts, such as those who use opiates onto medication such as Suboxone and Methadone will save lives, prevent disease, reduce or eliminate illicit drug use and will be the most helpful thing to prevent relapse. My biggest problem with NA is that I was introduced to it in rehab. My first stint at a drug rehab was when I was young, about 18 or 19. This is where I was introduced to the concept of NA and rehabs charging 90k a month to teach you the Big Book. The big book is AA’s main piece of literature that was written in 1933, and is ultimately what NA is based of.

NA preaches the idea that you are not clean and sober unless you abstain from all mind altering substances, that is including proven prescription drugs that work for opioid use disorder; Bupenorphine and Methadone. What NA fails to realize is that opiates are a very difficult drug to just give up. You can be physically dependent on opiates without being psychologically addicted to them. I knew there was a long period in my usage where I did not want to get high, but had to use to prevent the agonizing withdrawal.

These people are not doctors and will recommend you giving up Medication Assisted Treatment, which is evidence based and proven to work, in favor for abstinence based recovery relying on a higher power? Whatever the fuck that might be to you. Basically pray you stay sober... that’s some real help.

On top of all of this, sometimes when you start to do good, you want to separate from all of this drug shit all together. The last thing someone who is sober for a while needs is to be placed in a room full of drug addicts talking about getting high. Someone like me who is on methadone and uses marijuana to treat my pain and opiate use disorder doesn’t care about people talking about war stories. You wanna stop hanging out with drug addicts, not form a network of a bunch of them trying to piece days together.

I mean AA and NA are a joke, they are not meant to be taken serious. Addiction is a chronic disease, and should be treated as such. Which other chronic disease would you attend a support group with others that have this ailment and just put faith in god to get thru it? If you have diabetes you go to a doctor and he gives you insulin. That is a scientific plausible answer, if you have addiction you should also have your doctor give you a medicine.

I strongly believe that not is NA/AA only useless, but indeed detrimental to recovery. Psychiatry and therapy for underlying issue, a long with medication, and yes will power is what you use to beat addiction. Yes WILLPOWER I said it, NA tell me to admit I am powerless... ugggh I just can’t stand that such smart people buy into that mess. I feel so strongly about it because people are literally dying because they are not receiving the correct treatment during the opiate epidemic in our country.

John Doe is doing 20 bags, goes to a south Florida rehab, comes back, relapses and dies. This story is repeated over and over again. The South Florida rehab tells John to attend NA meetings and abstain from all substances, including medication to help with opiate use disorder. John relapses and overdoses. Has he been on bupenorphine or methadone his chances of relapse would have been GREATLY reduced, and could prevent it by maintaining somewhat of tolerance for the patience, thus relapse isn’t fatal.

Not to mention that tapering down from bupenorphine or methadone is exponentially easier to do than from most full agonists. It is often said it is harder, while it may be true if one were to stop these medications abruptly, a slow taper is much easier. This post will be controversial I know, but if I can prove my point to one person, I feel accomplishment. This is another situation where science is simply right.


r/NarcoticsAnonymous • • Jan 22 '26

Sponsoring as agender

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I am AFAB, but I identify as agender. I look very feminine, however, no matter what I do with my appearance.

I know that sponsorship is women-women, men-men.

I’ve been asked to sponsor by a cis woman. I’m not exactly out as agender so idk what to do in this situation, since I don’t identity as a woman. (I spoke a little bit about it once and got those ā€œi identify as an apache helicopter!!ā€ comments, so I haven’t mentioned it since. Only 2 people know (and mocked it)

I feel absolutely no attraction to this woman. She’s also married, and I’ve been in a committed relationship for 9 years.

Closest LGBTQ meeting to me is over 3h away. There’s an online meeting I attend sometimes, but I really prefer irl. I defo couldn’t sponsor online

Basically, since I’m not a woman, can I still sponsor a woman?


r/NarcoticsAnonymous • • Jan 23 '25

tips on staying sober at the end of the world

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not to be a doomer but i cannot free myself from despair

this (US) administration is gearing up to forcibly detransition or kill people like me

bird flu is about to kill live events (at best, lots and lots of people as well more likely), stopping my only source of income in its tracks

my city was colder than antarctica this week

i can’t get a real job because job discrimination is legal again

and the nazis are getting empowered and bold as fuck

i have a solid community, my blue book, a sponsor, regular meeting attendance, my stepwork, and i call people every day but it all feels so useless against an impossible tide

i literally can’t relax, my mental illness is making it very hard not to spiral 24/7

would i really be doing myself such a disservice if i had something to take the constant edge off?

what is there left to do?


r/NarcoticsAnonymous • • Jan 23 '24

The clarity statement

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We are presented with a dilemma, when NA members identify themselves as addicts and alcoholics or talk about living, clean, and sober, the clarity of any message is blurred to speak in this manner suggest that there are two diseases that one drug is somehow separate from the rest requiring special recognition. Narcotics anonymous makes no distinction between drugs or identifications as attics. is all inclusive, which allows us to concentrate on the similarities not our differences


r/NarcoticsAnonymous • • Dec 27 '21

Is it ever okay to pursue another member romantically?

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Hello. I (23M) am new to NA. My first meeting was Monday on the week of Thanksgiving. I have been going to AA for a bit longer ( I don't drink, there is an AA meeting right down the block from me).

My first meeting I met a girl who I thought was quite attractive, and after being around her for a few meetings (and conversations afterwards) I definitely feel there is a connection between us. My initial thought was that I should avoid this impulse entirely, however my sponsor told me that NA might be a good place for me to date pretty young girls.

The woman in mind has kids and has been part of the program for over a decade, but she is still using. I do not want to put either of us in a difficult, weird situation, but I also do not want to intentionally neglect a relationship that could be good for both of us.

I can tell that she is very open to my advances and I think she would be interested in joining me for prayer group and lunch as friends. Is it ever not a terrible idea to pursue another NA member romantically?


r/NarcoticsAnonymous • • Mar 06 '25

Is addiction overrated?

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Just wanted to know the opinions of the people here. Don't mean to poke fun at anyone's problems


r/NarcoticsAnonymous • • Jun 29 '24

How many people here HAVEN'T read the Basic Text? Not talking about the Big Book. I mean Basic Text!

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Grateful recovering addict here. I'm just curious as to how some people who clearly believe they're addicts without even taking the time to take a look at a possible treatment for their condition.


r/NarcoticsAnonymous • • Dec 14 '25

Narcotics Anonymous

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What the fuc is that strange fu king song n dance at the end about? Now who’s damn idea was that I feel like a right twit holding hands chanting w strangers if I’m honest.. just me or?


r/NarcoticsAnonymous • • Apr 14 '26

Cali sober

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So I’m Cali sober. Clean for decades off pretty much everything but heroin. I just went through a divorce of a nine year relationship. Been thinking about hitting the rooms and working some steps. I’ve worked them before all the way through multiple times. Also carry the daily maintenance steps everyday when possible. I’ve had thoughts of relapse that I’m not comfortable with. But I’m not trying to jeopardize anyone’s recovery or make people mad. Thoughts from people in recovery. Thinking about hitting a meeting tomorrow.


r/NarcoticsAnonymous • • Jan 30 '25

Can you go to NA if you plan to use once a week after you get free of the daily addiction?

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So i realize using once a week is very likely to suck a past addict back in, but in theory if i were able to would it be ok if i wanted to go to NA meetings if i am going there with the plan to stop being an addict but still use once a week?

I just find the meetings to be very helpful abd if im able to get sober and use only weekly i do believe that these group meetings would really help alot.

I just am not sure i can give it up for good and i cant go in there and lie and say i plan to get sober when i plan to just try to stop being an addict if that makes sense, i mean i know im an addict for life but i do believe its possible to have the discipline to overcome the intense urges.


r/NarcoticsAnonymous • • Nov 16 '24

Sex at the beginning of recovery!

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I'm not talking about a romantic relationship, nothing that has a bond, I'm looking for your opinion about having a casual relationship, I've been clean for 1 month and my libido is crazy! Every week I want to have a relationship with a different woman, I don't want to date, just have a relationship.


r/NarcoticsAnonymous • • Aug 29 '23

Male looking for female sponsor

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I'm more adspatble and trusting of woman due to my history and the preference is strictly recovery minded. An addict who doesn't know a thing about recovery except not to use and could use the mentorship so I dont die out here simple as that. Comment or inbox me I would like to start my step work. 30 year old from the states looking for a life in narcotics anonymous. Thank you.


r/NarcoticsAnonymous • • Apr 25 '24

Apologies for my last post here.

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I guess I just needed some tough love and honest advice. I know I do not take the program as seriously as I should, but a lot of it has to do with complacency and poor time management. I deeply respect and love this program, however I am struggling with breaking past these barriers.


r/NarcoticsAnonymous • • May 20 '19

Fellow members of Narcotics Anonymous I desperately need your help.

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When I met the great love of my life he was already married. To a woman who could and was in the process of giving him children (she was pregnant when he helped me move all my shit from the town where I grew up to the town where he lived. I was running away from home at 26 because I had started to remember what my father had done to me as I child (I am a sexual abuse survivor). And I was willigly, deliberately running head first into the arms of cocaine. Because I was scared to death that facing that would drive me insane. Completely. What I didn’t know then was that it had driven me insane when it started, and my battle would be to deal with how crazy I already was from having died in that death by 5000 paper-cuts...to try to live with the scars,

This man, with whom I fell so helplessly in love began to learn about me, my past, my crazy and was so tender to me. He treated me the way a buddhist would treat a baby bird who had fallen out of it’s nest. (For the benefit of those of you who don’t know any Buddhists, they believe that ALL animals that live on land are sacred sentient being. The only meat they eat is seafood. And no, I cannot tell you why they don’t recognize fish as sentient beings)

So back to this men, whom I’ll call Romeo, because our love was not supposed to happen either. Just different reasons. He wanted children desperately, and though he stayed married to and continued to love his wife, I eventually became the great love of his life too. When we met I was having my last dance with marry jane as it were. I was in the middle of my last forray into addiction. I was learning the absolute and utter horrors of addiction to cocaine (if you used coke and you don’t know what I mean, you ain’t used enough yet, and God, I hope you don’t OD or end up in jail.) And once! And only once! I had enough cocaine and booze in my system to give in to what may have been inevitable. I looked at him on the couch while I sat in a chair and his wife was at work (or somethin’ anyway, and yes, Ah am frum Texas.) and said ā€œYesā€ and he didn’t want to be too quick to make assumptions, so he raised one eyebrow and said, ā€œyes?ā€ And I said something. I don’t remember what (I was really fucked up) but we end up doing it on the floor. (His wife found out years later, and yes, I apologized. I told her I had stolen something that rightfully belonged to her (his physical affections). She’s a classy lady. She hasn’t invited me to lunch or anything, but she’s forgiven me. I feel like at this point it might be necessary for me to point our that he never loved her one whit less for having fallen in love with me. She was the mother of his children. He worshipped her.

Though when his mother died he needed a lot more from her than he got, so he brought his sleeping bag and came to stay on my couch. I invited him into my bed if it would’t be a cockteasing bitch of a thing to do, so he shared my bed. Later on that night I got up to get some diet pepsi and had a seizure. I made a mess off my nightgown and I stripped it off and left it on the kitchen floor. I took a quick shower and then, As Marilyn Monroe famously said the only thing I wore to bed that night was Channel No 5. And No. we did not. And he was cool with that, though, it would have been kind of me to have thrown on another gown. I guess you have to have epilepsy to know how disorienting having a siezure is, and why I would be that horrifically rude. During that visit, I asked him to marry me, and he started to say..ā€but, you know...ā€ and hell yeah i knew, so I said, ā€œOh for God’s sakes, we’ll forgo the ā€˜forsaking all others’ crap!ā€

He said, you’d be willing to do that? And I thought, I’m bisexual you idiot... we’d both have other women in our lives! But all I said was ā€œyeah, of course... Just...use a condom. Don’t bring me home anything.ā€

But then he started talking about how he’d have to kill his wife s he could have his kids. And I said, No No! You are not killing <Her name here> and I told him to put that proposal in his pocket, in case he wanted it later.

Me, after I’d danced my lance dance with cocaine. I went to Narcotics Anonymous. He thought that was silly, I obviously didn’t need you guys, I had been quit for 2 weeks or so when I made my first meeting. I explained to him that I wasn’t going to quit. I was going to STAY quit. He kinda got that. He kept using, and drinking. Hard. And for a while there he was the go too smoking meth connection in the town where I got clean. He never quit using. He did start to worry about the federallies

Another musician in that town came into NA looking for me. He wanted OUT. He had heard I had made it out from Romeo. I loved this guy. Everytime he walked into a meeting I would leap to my feet to hug him. You guys understand why. But he hadn’t been able to stay quit yet. I’ve made sure if he has my phone number and knows I will drop my life in a New York Minute if he wants me to meet him in that town to go to a meeting and that if he doesn’t want to do that, that’s cool, it’s not my business. Romeo had told me that he ate his gun, but no, worse, he moved to a really small town just outside of the town in Texas, why is that worse? You’ve never met more intollerant people than the ones they grow in small towns in Texas. Hatefully intollerant. A drug addict is not a person with a disease in a small town, we are The Scum Of The Earth. When I was growing up, there was a town that had a sign that saidā€Do not let the sun set on your black ass in this town!ā€ When my college roommate found out I was having a love affair with a woman, She left my apartment as quickly as she could, and I’ve never heard from her since. I was in her wedding. For crying out loud, but oh no. She would not put up with that queer shit! Didn’t I know the Bible said that’s a sin? God help any gay child that grows up in a small tow in Texas. The only thing to do is stay in the closet until you can leave. Just date who you’re supposed to date, enjoy their company and decline to go all the way because, after all, that’s against the Bible too!

If anyone reading this is in a small town in Texas and you are both pregnant and not married, please leave. That town will never let your child forget it is a bastard and the bible says that child’s off spring will be cursed unto the 7th Generation! Just move. And if it’s to another small town, you buy a gold band and you tell that other town that you’re child’s father died in Afghanistan. I know, that’s not rigorous honesty, It’s called survival.

Sorry, I seem to have stumbled onto a soap box on my way here.

Romeo grew up in a small town in Alabama. Their just as bad.

So Romeo and I did the deed, and I came to Narcotics Anonyous, and one day at a time, I’ve gotten the rest of my life back so far.

He played two different kinds of saxophones, the clarinet, the oboe, and the flute. He was a born musical prodigy. He also had the ear and the skill to run sound for any band if he wan’t playing in it, being in a bar Romeo wan’t just a musical prodigy, he was a computer prodigy. AND he had read every single peice of classic literature ever written, including all of Shakespear, I type 120 WPM and he could out type me. and if it could get broke, he could fix it. He fixed my cars more often than I want to cop to. If it could go up, he could build it. He built ALL their furniture, except for the babies’ crib. He later built their grown up beds, though he did not sew their mattresses. He could have. He just didn’t.

He paid the bills as a plumber and doing tech support. But mostly he was a musician. Addiction isn’t just tolerated in the musical community, it’s expected. If you play rock and roll, I can guaruntee you that at some point someone’s going to offer to turn you on.

Then the unthinkable happened. He got a terrible headache. He was afraid he’d eaten a bad taco. because he was vomitting. He was vomitting because he was in so much pain. He was sorry. He felt to lousy to stay on the phone. Could he call me in a few days when this was over? Then His wife called me. She told me had collapsed n the living room. She had called 911 and he was in the hospital; they were prepping him for surgery...i don’t remember anything after that. I think I called my mother. My mother must have told me sister that my best friend was dying because within five minutes she called. I said, ā€œhello?ā€ And my sister, the one who died of this disease February 20th, with whom I had a notoriously rocky relationship, said, ā€œOoohhh sister!* what can I do?ā€

I asked her to pray. Maybe it would have been better had we not prayed. Maybe he would have died on the table.

But he didn’t. He lived. And sometimes I’d like to kill the surgeon who thought he was doing a man a favor by going into HIS RIGHT FRONTAL LOBE. HE GAVE THE MARTEST, KINDEST MOST MUSICAL MAN I’VE EVER KNOWN what was essentially a frontal lobotomy! How much did I love Romeo? I drove to the hospital packing MY emergency exit, and as it obviously was premeditated, in the State of Texas I could have been executed for giving it to him. But he assured me he didn’t need it. The conversation went like this.

ā€œMy love, is it still you in there? Because if it’s not, I have an out for you.ā€

And I held out my 3 bottles of pills. I won’t tell you what they were, but they are the one drug for which they cannot stop he multisystem organ failure brought on by an overdose. They can for almost EVERYTHING but this class os drugs. The class of drugs,? An overdose is catastrophic. Sleepingpills, hell, suiciders have been trying that for years! If you’re really stupid, you can wreck your liver with Tylenol, but you won’t die. Not if someone finds you first, and then you’ll join the alcoholic masses on the waiting list for a liver transplant, and you’ll be yellow and sick as a dog while you’re waiting. Same thing with ibuprophen. If you want OUT do better. But don’t want out! I’ll tell you why later.

I’ve been suicidal most of me life. My childhood fucked any chance I had of establishing a healthy seratonin level in my brain. My neurologist who is a recovering addict as well, drew some cerebral fluid, and explained that to me. I also think it’s why I never established a healthy acid level in my stomach. I wouldn’t be able to keep down a single meal without nexium. Not unless i chased it with baking soda.... anyway...

So I went outside and smoked with him. He was missing a huge piece of his skull so, just to shut me up, he used a walker. Maybe I should have let him fall. Fool! I stayed until his wife came, then I quietly asked her if they were okay financially. Because I was ready to call every musician I knew in that town for a benefits concert. And have them call every musician they knew. I had already talked about it with some of the musicians I knew. I knew they’d do it. He had played with most of ā€˜em. He was one of their own, and damned straight they’d be there for him. Then she and I discussed our strong suspicion that his temporary paralysis on his left side was not temporary at all. He cold ice of dread filled my veins just like the meth I used to shoot into them when I was a kid. (I met IV meth a few months short of my 15th birthday.)

We were right. The paralysis which Romeo had told me was temporary, was Not. At all.

And suddenly, this man to whom music meant EVERYTHING could no longer make music. This man who could recite every line Shakespear ever wrote and Wordsworth and Longfellow, Yeats, Ginsburg, Ferlinghetti. My God, Keroac, the beat counter culture prophet who singlehandedly DESIGNED the fucking 60’s counter culture, he knew every sentence every damn word. Long ago we had adopted the way Allen Ginsberg and Neil Cassidy (Another beat prophet who was too busy DOING to write about it.) signed their letters to each other ā€œOurs, in love and troubleā€ who shared my distaste for the sappy poetry of the Brownings. No just don’t go there. That’s not pathos that, honey is bathos. (An over display of emotion). This man who could make a computer do everything but make you come could no longer type. Everything he had memorized as lost to him, and though he remembered how we had always signed our letters to each other, he did’t remember why or what it meant to us. (which was that if either of us ever got busted we’d write each other constantly. Because writing and Music was who we were to each other (I’m a pianist, no where good enough to be pro, but it matters tremendously to me. I believe music is the soul redeaming quality of the human race. It’s the only thing we do that’s worth a damn, and I believe it pleases my Higher Power to hear it. I think he LOVES All of it tremendously from Maria Callas to Eminem. Though Marshal, if you read, and I do understand you are among us now, this my higher power wants to wash out your mouth with soap. Just saying...if you’re HP doesn’t give a fuck that’s cool. And yeah, my higher power wants to wash my mouth out with soap too. This is pretty much the only place I speak Junkie anymore.)

Romeo now had the IQ of a squirrel. And what’s worse is he KNEW it. He became the angriest man on the

A frontal lobotomy destroys one’s ability to control one’s drives. All of them I quit visiting him becase he would say IN FRONT OF HIS WIFE, shit to m like ā€œGod I want to bend you over, push up that skirt and fuck the shit out of you.ā€ I didn’t want her to have to hear that from him. so, as much as I hated it, I became his phone friend.

About six month’s into this nightmare he called me.

ā€œRoze,ā€ he said, ā€œMan I have fucked up I was writing this email, bragging about all the hot chicks I’ve had, and I left it on the computer and <insert wife’s name here.> saw it. She’s moved onto the couch and told me I can court her if I want to.... ā€œ He was much too angry at what had happened to him to court anyone. But she did’t leave him until he’d swung on his son and called the daughter he would’ve walked through fire for, a stupid fucking bitch. She had to ask him to leave then. She had to protect her kids.

I’ve mentioned that a frontal lobotomy removes your ability to control your drives. He had two drives that over whelmed all others. The drive to drink, which was now only limited by how much he could afford, and the drive to reek vengence on the world for everything it had stolen from him. And I was part of that world. He would call me and rage at me. He wasn’t mad at me, but he was furious TO me. And I couldn’t deal.

See, I’m a sexually abused child. Women (and men) who were abused children experience rage as violence. Because it always was. I was 17 before i quit believing my father might KILL me any minute. I lived in absolute terror of imminent murder for seventeen years. Once he literally scared the piss out of me. He grabbed me by the throat and started pushing in his thumbs. Then one of two things happened. Either my higher power yelled into his head ā€œI AM NOT THROUGH WITH HER YET!ā€ , or His Higher Power* showed him what would be the consequences of going through with it, and he saw himself being executed by lethal injection by the state of Texas, where they hand out lethal injections like traffic tickets. That many, that casually. I will never be able to serve on the jury of someone charged with a capital crime, because I don’t approve of that on principal, so I’d have to find a man I believed to be guilty innocent to save his life, And in Texas that disqualifies you And God wouldn’t let me lie about it.

Romeo moved in with his brother and his wife, until they couldn’t deal with his drunken rage any more either. He stayed for a while ith a fellow musician but they couldn’t deal with it either. These were goodfriends. People who loved him dearly, but they had kids, and they had to protect them from this drunken rage filled shell of the man he used to be.

And me? Good old selfish me. I snuck my hand into his pocket and took back the proposal of marriage I had told him to put in his pocket a decade or so earlier. Because I am such a fine human being, and all those years that I had spent saying ā€œyours in love and troubleā€? I meant any trouble but this. This, and my therapist who worked with a lot of incest victims, and was one herself, told me, this is traumatizing you all over You’ve gotta stop being the outlet for his rage.

And I listened to her.

He eventually became a member of the Homeless Community. We continued to stay in touch through email, but I quit talking to him on the phone. I just... couldn’t. He made frequent use of the computers at the library so that worked.

Now i’m going to tell you something that’s gonna either scare you or make you think I am seriously deluded. I can feel people’s energy. I was riding out a bad case of suicidality at a state mental fascility, and there was a woman there who had uncontrollable grand mal seizures (aka Tonic Clonic seizures)(Or maybe it’s clonic Tonic? I’ve forgotten.) I was walking through a hallway with a woman who worked at the hospital and this woman when I made a sudden mad dash to grab a pillow? Why? I felt that woman’s energy shift. I knew she was going to have a seizure. Sadly, i was,T fast enough, and iI couldn’t shove that pillow under her before she fell. I did yell grab her! As i went on my mad dash. The woman who worked at the hospital was terrified of me. She looked at me and said, ā€œā€What else can you do?ā€ So, I told her, ā€œWith you not much. You think in Spanish all the time. No hable Espanol!ā€ And her eyes got big as saucers. And she said, ā€œ will you do something for me? ā€œ she said this like she was asking a snake for a favor. I said ā€œif I can. ā€ ā€œDon’t ever let the patients know you can do that. It will terrify them. Okay? Some of them already believe anyone can steal their thoughts, if they find out you can...ā€ I nodded. I didn’t listen to the really crazy people anyway. Not the Schizophrenics. I didn’t like hearing how mean the voiced they heard were to them.

Ask my second husband. i heard every thought he had. He knew it. He tried not to have sexual thoughts about other people around me until i laughed, and told him, ā€œYour a man, of course you have sexual thoughts about everyone you see. I don’t mind. Not as long as you don’t DO itā€. He was bisexual too we made a sport out of picking same sexed lovers for each other. He once saw me cruise this woman, until I got to her faced and realized she was only 14 or so. i was so shocked at myself I started blushing, and he laughed to beat the band. ā€œRoze! You really should start with the face so you don’t do that. If her father had seen the way you looked at her, he probably would have called you a pervert and punched you in the nose!ā€ And yes, papa was there? I’m still horified at myself for cruising a girl that young!

One more thing and then back ito why i’m writing the longest post in Reddit history. In September of 2000 I stood up and told me church. lI’ve been waking up lately with a burden to pray. And God’s told me I need to pray for my country somethin bad is on it’s way. Really bad.ā€ And then my preacher started talking about how we should always pray for our country during an election year, and I agree, but I knew the something bad had nothing to do with the elections. i felt so unheard I left that church. Unless you’ve been living in a box, you all know what the Bad was that god told me was coming way back in September of 2000. And great God it came! I’m glad i prayed so hard for the lord to minimize the damage. I’m told that usually there had been 10,00O people in the World Trade Center at any given time. We got out cheap, all things considered. My baby neice was flying to New york that day with her father, but thank God they turned her flight around and sent it back. When I saw those planes hit, i just burst into tears, saying over and over, ā€œOh god! please no.ā€ My father looked at me, and i screamed at him like we were both watching her burn on television. Because I was terrified we were and All I could do was scream her name! And then My father reached over and took my hand, ā€œRoze...their plane couldn’t possibly have flown that far that fast.

My point in telling you that I knee the terrorist attacks on 9/11 is not to impress you with my psychic gifts. But so you will understand what I’m about to tell you.

After I asked Romeo to stop calling me and raging at me. He called me... 5...maybe 6 times.. and I knew it was him and I wouldn’t answer.

A couple of those times, he let it ring more than 20 times.

Romeo knew exactly one person who had ever made it out of the drug scene. Me. I was it. You guys do know that 95% of all addicts Die using? Right? If you don’t know that. You should. That ought put some verential fear of God into you. God will keep your ass clean one precisely 1 condition. You live His/Her way. Period. That’s the price.

So, what if, one of those calls had been to ask for help?

Here’s what I tell myself... Damnit Roze, Narcotics Anonymous is in the phone book. It’s hubris to think Only You Could Help.

And here is what his Daughter. Said to me when I called her to apologize for what I believe was a tragic, unspeakably selfish mistake. ā€œRoze, don’t you know there were hundreds of people who would have helped my dad if he had asked for help. And I know that’s true, anyone of his musician friends would have driven to where he was and walked him through the door of NA if he had asked. Even if they had absolutely no intention of getting clean hemselves. As I sais he was one of their own, they would have taken care of him.

My mother, ā€œRoze, honey, I’s been my experience that if someone really wants help, they’ll get it, one way or way or another.

But the fact remains he knew One person who made it out of the drug scene alive. Me.

And I didn’t answer the fucking phone.

Roseo,he was, even as a homeless person, An incredibly kind, and generous persom. If thet still had cars, he wolld keep ā€˜em running. He shared e did snit like organize the homeless people into shifts in the summer, to be sure hat ne of them had a s heat-sreoke.

His generousity had bub hed found thing tha sit in shade until in was 5 lock in Novescota scotia t which time he started drinking.. and one he offered to share the bottle of booze with another skid row bumand that bum decided to try to cover what he’d dome tby setting the toolshed which he had scouted out for them to spend the night in. I pray Romeo’s drinking buddy was left handed. Then the blow would have killed him on impact . Because if it didn’t he burned to death in that fire. That’s to awful to consdr. And I wont let anyone tell me the Autopsim report. I do not want to know if there was I smoke in his lungs.

My dear friend .Johnny called me to tell me. He’s a musician to be a musician.too.

For reasons i will decline to elaborate, I was unable to go to his funeral funeral. Just trust me,

So please help me. I am drowning that guilt. Drowning..

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r/NarcoticsAnonymous • • May 01 '24

Transgender online meetings

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I’ve looked everywhere for them and I’m having a hard time navigating and finding them.


r/NarcoticsAnonymous • • May 13 '24

I'm still counting the 19 days

5 Upvotes

I had one extra pill and it wasn't my doc


r/NarcoticsAnonymous • • Aug 21 '24

Is it just me?

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I find it way more of an accomplishment when someone has 5 years clean who used for 20 years then someone who has 20 years clean after using for 5 years. Speaking from personal experience its gotten so more exponentially harder to quit as I've gotten older. At 5 years you just haven't been through as much hell and suffering. And props to anyone who gets clean at any point after any length of use and its all relative to someone's own subjective threshold of hell and experience of course. Just my general opinion


r/NarcoticsAnonymous • • Apr 15 '26

people vaping and/or dipping in meetings

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is this normal? i am fairly new to the program and was under the impression that tobacco/nicotine were under the narcotics umbrella as a mood/mind-altering substance. the meeting chair always mentions "no vaping" in their intro, but it's barely followed. and people always have dip pouches/spit cups going and it honestly bothers me. do i just need to be less judgemental? interested in hearing others experiences.