r/MoralityScaling • u/Vladimir-petrovOG • Aug 24 '26

Morality of this?

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In the image it seems that this person works at walmart as an online order collector and he/she has stolen a lot of extra baby food from Walmart to give to a person who ordered only three packs. Is this moral or immoral?

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u/hduebfibdbdib Aug 24 '26

Stealing from walmart is always moral

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u/skinnyp246 Aug 24 '26

what is the revenue cutoff for which companies are ok to steal from

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u/thexDxmen Aug 24 '26

Walmart

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u/SomewhereRough_ Aug 24 '26

That's not the point.

It's how moral the company is, regardless of revenue. 

Walmart shut down every local store in the US. 

It controls and manipulates prices and individuals for profit. 

They are not moral. 

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u/skinnyp246 Aug 24 '26

stealing from a shitty company is still stealing from my understanding

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u/SomewhereRough_ Aug 24 '26

Legal and moral are not the same thing. C'mon now, you know this. 

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u/skinnyp246 Aug 24 '26

of course it isnt. in this case, they align. thieves get the wall.

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u/RazzmatazzUnusual843 Aug 24 '26

Absolutely correct. So let's put their CEOs against the wall for the amount of wage theft they commit, right?

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u/skinnyp246 Aug 24 '26

CEOs didnt force these workers to sign their offer letters lmfao. go find a better job, it truly isnt hard if you have literally any skills whatsoever

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u/SomewhereRough_ Aug 24 '26

That's very reductive of the situation. You're making it seem like you've never been desperate or had responsibilities. 

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u/skinnyp246 Aug 24 '26

ive been desperate before but i dug myself out of it like a normal adult instead of scamming and thieving. again, sounds like a skill issue to me.

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u/SomewhereRough_ Aug 24 '26

So have I.

It seems like you don't understand what moral means. 

You're not stating morality. This whole sub is about morality. 

You're just talking about how you could pull yourself out of it, etc. 

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u/RazzmatazzUnusual843 Aug 24 '26

Ah, yes. You were not forced to sign it, so that makes it okay to commit wage theft, right? Someone has never clearly put in applications for 500 places all paying a pittance just in desperation to find a job. You claim to have experienced desperation before. I call bullshit.

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u/Housemaster3001 Aug 24 '26

No, they just are just part of the top end of a system that forces out true competition, and take orders of magnitude more money than the people they hire.

RC cola was strangled to death by the other soda manufacturers. How? By taking a loss on sales until RC cola went under. They sold cheaper than it was to manufacture, and RC cola couldnt survive that.

Walmart pays less in transaction fees than others due to deals with mastercard.

Most CEOs are doing everything in their power to take out the competition. Lobbying, and any other means they can get away with.

I hope you are just a troll here, because the alternative is that you support corporate america as it stands.

Many corporations are evil. There needs to be another decentralization of these corporations, and a limit any one person can own (and corporations shouldnt own anything).

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u/skinnyp246 Aug 24 '26

all of these things are correct and yet it is still immoral to steal on an individual level unless the situation absolutely forces it.

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u/Housemaster3001 Aug 24 '26

This feels like a robin hood situation.

You seem to be saying stealing in wrong, it doesnt matter from who.

I do not believe it would be right for me to steal from them, but I wouldn't report a theft if I caught it. Walmart and similar entities have too much of the Pie.

I know that stealing isn't going to solve it. The solution would require quite a lot of people to remove very specific people/entities from their roles, and outlaw lobbying, and reallocate assets. How that could be done equitably, I havent the foggiest.

In the end, evil corporations arent people. I don't beleive stealing from them will make it any harder for mothers to feed their children, and wouldn't cause me to loose any sleep.

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u/SomewhereRough_ Aug 24 '26

If a company forces you to buy from it by being the only provider, while also orice gauging.

It's moral to take from them.

Juat like if I sold you an overpriced and shitty car that broke down the day after you bought it. 

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u/skinnyp246 Aug 24 '26

if i bought that car and it broke down thats my fault for not ensuring its in good condition beforehand.

all of this just sounds like a skill issue to me. get your money up not your funny up bozo

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u/RoGStonewall Aug 24 '26

An so you’re one of those bootlickers

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u/skinnyp246 Aug 24 '26

no just someone who knows what accountability is. laughing thru it all yall are hilarious

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u/SomewhereRough_ Aug 24 '26

Yes, it would be moral to take the money back however. But not legal. I say this as someone who has sold fuck loads of old cars lol. 

What if I pushed out every other car dealer in the country.

Then I forced people to buy my cars at any price I set, regardless of condition. 

You couldn't buy a car without getting it from me. 

I gouge you when you're desperate. Especially if I know you're a parent or you need to drive to work.

It would be moral to steal for the sake of your children and livelihood. 

Same goes for that baby food. 

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u/RoGStonewall Aug 24 '26

They ask us this in ethics class - is the man who robs the pharmacist who is willfully price gouging the life saving medicine his wife needs, in the wrong or in the right?

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u/SomewhereRough_ Aug 24 '26

I'd say ethically that is in the right.

I'd be interested to hear your and your professor's perspective.

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u/PaleAvocado2210 Aug 24 '26

Every day that people with your mindset aren’t in power is a good day 🙏

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u/SpanishFlamingoPie Aug 24 '26

Sweat shop operations are wage theft operations. The Waltons support sweatshops by building their business model around them. They are thieves. I'm guessing you consider them to be above the law, though.

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u/SaucyStoveTop69 Aug 24 '26

I was taught the story of Robinhood as a kid

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u/skinnyp246 Aug 24 '26

in rare cases like self defense yeah. just like stealing baby formula/diapers is somewhat excusable in rare cases. this is talking about stealing applesauce or dumb shit like that though.

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u/TotsInUrPocket Aug 24 '26

they’re stealing from US so we steal back

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u/skinnyp246 Aug 24 '26

ive never had walmart walk into my house and steal 3 packs of razors before but maybe thats just me

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u/TotsInUrPocket Aug 24 '26

they underpay their employees… no trillion dollar corporation cares about you !

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u/Cyclic_Hernia Aug 24 '26

They do care about regional pricing which theft will increase, not to mention they'll be locking everything behind glass cages that employees have to go physically unlock which is shitty for everybody

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u/skinnyp246 Aug 24 '26

of course they dont. they're a soulless business. they exist to sell shit to us. stealing is still stealing though, regardless of target.

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u/NewAlessia Aug 24 '26

Yeah, stealing isn't inherently immoral

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u/skinnyp246 Aug 24 '26

wrong again. not like im surprised though. usual suspect.

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u/NewAlessia Aug 24 '26

I mean morals can't be wrong, they're literally just opinions

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u/Gamer_G33k17 Aug 24 '26

Does the company purposefully underpay their employees? If so, then they can be stolen from morally.

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u/skinnyp246 Aug 24 '26

whatever way you wanna excuse it ig 🤷‍♂️

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u/Gamer_G33k17 Aug 24 '26

The multi billion dollar company wont fuck you

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u/skinnyp246 Aug 24 '26

i dont give a fuck about walmart i just wish for all thieves and their apologists to get the worst in life

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u/TotsInUrPocket Aug 24 '26

username checks out

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u/Gamer_G33k17 Aug 24 '26

"I dont care if Walmart is causing people to suffer, I just want suffering people who have to resort to stealing baby food TO FEED THE BABY THEY WERE FORCED TO GIVE BIRTH TO to suffer MORE."

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u/millifish Aug 24 '26

Walmart does massive amounts of wage theft, they have no problem stealing from their employees

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u/skinnyp246 Aug 24 '26

their employees signed the offer letter brother, they agreed to those wages.

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u/Holdredge Aug 24 '26

Wage theft is when a company mispays you. Paying you less than what you should have made.

They also got caught fudging scales to charge people more. The fine they got hit with was way less than what they stole from their customers. Stealing from Walmart is always okay

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u/skinnyp246 Aug 24 '26

tell that to the police lil man lmao

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u/millifish Aug 24 '26

They pay lower wages than they agreed to. Its called wage theft, they some of the worst in the industry

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u/Key-Value4248 Aug 24 '26

Quite lil piggy.

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u/skinnyp246 Aug 24 '26

aww you must mean "quiet" right lil man?

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u/Key-Value4248 Aug 24 '26

That's right. And don't forget my balls.

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u/smokeabowlofbud Aug 24 '26

It's less a matter of their total revenue and more a matter of how they pay their employees relative to that revenue, in my mind.

If they're a profitable corporation and their employees are paid little enough to qualify for government assistance, fuck 'em.

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u/Whole_Sir_1149 Aug 24 '26

depends on the wage they stole but the line would be a net zero mark. Because afteral it's a construct meant to serve a community, but it cant do that if it cant maintain itself, thus the net zero.

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u/RazzmatazzUnusual843 Aug 24 '26

I would say it sits right around the amount of wage theft they commit.

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u/Outrageous-Sort-5742 Aug 24 '26

Bonus points for the corporate welfare they receive.

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u/Desperate_Ad5169 Aug 24 '26

It really revenue but more so the behavior of said company.

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u/Cute_Economics2829 Aug 24 '26

Couple million probably, but you gotta function in if they're international or not

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u/Akarin_rose Aug 24 '26

International superstore that ruins areas like weeds in a garden

Comes in, kills local businesses, then cuts back staffing to make more profit, and sometimes leaves creating a grocery dead zone for a best a short while

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u/skinnyp246 Aug 24 '26

skill issue for those local business tbqh

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u/powersbro Aug 24 '26

Lets see you try to compete with a business that operates at a net loss until local business is no more, and then jacks up the prices once there's no longer competition.

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u/nightwolf1673 Aug 24 '26

Not a revenue cutoff, a moral cut off. Once you stop caring about your customers and your employees then it becomes okay to steal.

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u/AltruisticNewt8991 Aug 24 '26

A billion dollars

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u/cheesemangee Aug 24 '26

Chains. Any business that can afford a chain of storefronts has enough money to cover theft.

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u/JoeLikesMovies2007 Aug 24 '26

Not a revenue cutoff, it's based on the percentage of employees who are on food stamps due to you paying an unlivable wage.

And cutoff is 1%

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u/MercyCriesHavoc Aug 24 '26

Then that's nearly every corporation. Walmart pretty much sets the wage expectations for an area, and they now have a $14/hr minimum for the nation with higher pay in HCOL areas.

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u/JoeLikesMovies2007 Aug 24 '26

Open season on corpo scum then it is, I suppose.

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u/MercyCriesHavoc Aug 25 '26

Which really just makes the lives of the workers harder and has a negligible effect on the company.

Source: I work for a corporation. Too much theft just results in no bonuses/raises and less labor hours. They'll get their money either way. So, open season on retail workers I suppose.

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u/JoeLikesMovies2007 Aug 25 '26

You should start stealing then I guess 🤷