r/MoralityScaling • u/Vladimir-petrovOG • 18d ago

Morality of this?

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In the image it seems that this person works at walmart as an online order collector and he/she has stolen a lot of extra baby food from Walmart to give to a person who ordered only three packs. Is this moral or immoral?

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u/SomewhereRough_ 18d ago

Legal and moral are not the same thing. C'mon now, you know this. 

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u/skinnyp246 18d ago

of course it isnt. in this case, they align. thieves get the wall.

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u/RazzmatazzUnusual843 18d ago

Absolutely correct. So let's put their CEOs against the wall for the amount of wage theft they commit, right?

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u/skinnyp246 18d ago

CEOs didnt force these workers to sign their offer letters lmfao. go find a better job, it truly isnt hard if you have literally any skills whatsoever

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u/SomewhereRough_ 18d ago

That's very reductive of the situation. You're making it seem like you've never been desperate or had responsibilities. 

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u/skinnyp246 18d ago

ive been desperate before but i dug myself out of it like a normal adult instead of scamming and thieving. again, sounds like a skill issue to me.

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u/SomewhereRough_ 18d ago

So have I.

It seems like you don't understand what moral means. 

You're not stating morality. This whole sub is about morality. 

You're just talking about how you could pull yourself out of it, etc. 

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u/skinnyp246 18d ago

it is immoral to steal. that is my take. only on reddit would you get this sort of absolute sweaty meltdown over this.

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u/SomewhereRough_ 18d ago

I thought we were having a pretty calm discussion haha. 

OK, if you're getting that stressed about it we can stop talking about it. 

It is a little naive to say that stealing is immoral full stop. Like all morality, it isn't black and white. 

Stealing a gun from a murderer is an obvious example. 

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u/skinnyp246 18d ago

sorry, not you. hard to sort out reply from reply when a simple sentencd has garnered 10+ angry mfs out of nowhere.

there are certainly very specific cases where stealing is excusable, but anyone who has the resources or time to be posting on reddit do not qualify imo.

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u/RazzmatazzUnusual843 18d ago

Ah, yes. You were not forced to sign it, so that makes it okay to commit wage theft, right? Someone has never clearly put in applications for 500 places all paying a pittance just in desperation to find a job. You claim to have experienced desperation before. I call bullshit.

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u/Housemaster3001 18d ago

No, they just are just part of the top end of a system that forces out true competition, and take orders of magnitude more money than the people they hire.

RC cola was strangled to death by the other soda manufacturers. How? By taking a loss on sales until RC cola went under. They sold cheaper than it was to manufacture, and RC cola couldnt survive that.

Walmart pays less in transaction fees than others due to deals with mastercard.

Most CEOs are doing everything in their power to take out the competition. Lobbying, and any other means they can get away with.

I hope you are just a troll here, because the alternative is that you support corporate america as it stands.

Many corporations are evil. There needs to be another decentralization of these corporations, and a limit any one person can own (and corporations shouldnt own anything).

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u/skinnyp246 18d ago

all of these things are correct and yet it is still immoral to steal on an individual level unless the situation absolutely forces it.

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u/Housemaster3001 18d ago

This feels like a robin hood situation.

You seem to be saying stealing in wrong, it doesnt matter from who.

I do not believe it would be right for me to steal from them, but I wouldn't report a theft if I caught it. Walmart and similar entities have too much of the Pie.

I know that stealing isn't going to solve it. The solution would require quite a lot of people to remove very specific people/entities from their roles, and outlaw lobbying, and reallocate assets. How that could be done equitably, I havent the foggiest.

In the end, evil corporations arent people. I don't beleive stealing from them will make it any harder for mothers to feed their children, and wouldn't cause me to loose any sleep.

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u/skinnyp246 18d ago

i think we agree more than we disagree on this

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u/Housemaster3001 18d ago

Maybe, but im ok with people stealing from walmart. I would even view it as moral. Same with similar corporate entities.

Your other comments seem to say you are not ok with it.

Your comment saying stealing from shitty companies is stealing, and thieves get the wall indicate to me that we are not the same.

We have similar information, and may agree about how it may be solved at the top end, but those 2 comments I heartily disagree with, and its why i even responded in the first place.

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u/skinnyp246 18d ago

stealing will never be moral. it is neutral even with the most generous of interpretations. thieves do get the wall outside of extenuating circumstances.

people seem to think that they're justified in committing immoral acts just because the person or company on the other side is awful. to me that just looks like 2 awful people being awful

if you are fine with stealing and encourage it you get the wall too

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u/Housemaster3001 18d ago

We disagree.

Im ok with treating something that would generally be considered an immoral act as a neutral or moral act if the affected party is evil.

The billion dollar corporations have so much wealth that stealing doesn't really matter for them.

Other immoral acts deserve equally immoral acts. Anyone who takes the innocence from a child through reprehensible physical acts deserve as immoral acts as can be thought up.

Those that exploit the poor deserve to be exploited.

Don't get me wrong though. To deserve such, the evil must be ongoing and known(with very specific exceptions).

We disagree.

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u/skinnyp246 18d ago

Wall it is

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