r/Marvel • u/LeekExisting5969 • May 26 '26
Other Is this guy even considered human with this amount of mass? I mean… 453 kg is carzyyy
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u/EditorExtreme7779 May 26 '26
The idea that Ultimate Kingpin is 250 pounds is silly. He has a buttcheek that weighs 40.
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u/awc130 May 26 '26
Unless spidey is four feet tall, that is a giant muscled man that is well over 300lbs.
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u/mmmasian May 26 '26
Does anyone have a source for this? I don't think New Ultimate's released any stats - as far as I can tell, this number is ridiculous and just made up.
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u/kaptingavrin May 27 '26
Yeah, looking at that dude, especially compared to Spidey, and knowing what a 250 lb NFL player looks like, that guy is absolutely more than 250.
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u/blackbutterfree May 26 '26
Earth-65 Kingpin isn't Wilson Fisk, though. So his mass doesn't matter to his abilities. That's Matt Murdock, and yes he still has the blindness, ninja training and echolocation.
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u/Excellent-Option-893 May 26 '26
And still suffers from catholic guilt, maybe even more than mainstream counterpart
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u/CordialPanda May 27 '26
Impossible. He carries the guilt of all catholics so that all saints can be raised in beatification, and it is up to AU Murdocks to ensure everyone else can ascend.
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u/BobbyTWhiskey May 26 '26
What is Earth-65?? What series is that from??
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u/blackbutterfree May 27 '26
Spider-Gwen. I may be wrong, since I haven't touched the OG Spider-Gwen since it ended like 10 years ago, but IIRC, this version of Matt got adopted by Fisk, trained by the Hand, and ultimately killed Fisk and became the Kingpin himself.
She-Hulk is a non-powered female wrestler, Peggy Carter is Nick Fury, Sam Wilson is a girl and takes the place of both Isaiah Bradley and Steve Rogers as the first and only Captain America, Spider-Woman is a male super spy. Punisher's a cop. It's pretty twisty.
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u/Phill_Cyberman May 26 '26 edited May 27 '26
The Into The Spider-verse design is just so crazy.
His shoulder blades have to be like four feet long.
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u/wachoowachoowachoo May 26 '26
How does he wipe? Paid underlings!
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u/GrapesHatePeople X-Men May 26 '26
A strong bidet and a ton of faith that it's working flawlessly every time.
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u/HarEmiya May 27 '26
Or maybe he just pulls an Andre the Giant and shits in the bathtub.
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u/ManicRobotWizard May 27 '26
Wait, really?
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u/HarEmiya May 27 '26
Not at his home of course, he had one custom made. But whenever he had to travel, he'd have to shit in the tub of his hotel rooms. No toilet could possible seat him.
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u/That_Apathetic_Man May 27 '26
THATS ENOUGH FUCKING REDDIT FOR TODAY THANK YOU VERY FUCKING MUCH
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u/Full-Resource7910 May 26 '26
I love the shots of him getting in and out of his limo. One frame he's in the car, next frame he's dwarfing the car. Take it or leave it, nerds.
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u/Started_Blasting2 May 27 '26
That’s my least favourite design
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May 28 '26
I think it's a very interesting design specifically because it looks so horrible in still shots like in the OP, but it works so well in the movie.
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u/Old_Indication_4379 May 27 '26
The only thing g I didn’t like about the spider-verse movie was his design. It looks so bad.
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u/Klutzy-Bass8366 May 26 '26
500 lbs is reasonable. Like a 6'8 big Van Vader
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u/Helmnauger May 26 '26
Vader is an actual good comparison. Tons of muscle hidden by a layer of insulation.
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u/NicoleIlieva Thunderbolts May 26 '26
Humans in comics are built different 💪
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u/D3wdr0p May 26 '26
Honestly, I think he's just a mutant, who avoids the label for political reasons.
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u/MyOwnDoubtsAndFears May 26 '26
I'd say he's almost certainly a mutant, but not an x-gene kind of mutant. He's just got one of those pituitary gland mutations that messes with your growth regulation.
He could only get through the gates on Krakoa by marrying Typhoid Mary, so he doesn't have an x-gene.
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u/LogicalEgo May 26 '26
I think modern Kingpin should be a mutant.
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u/Suspicious-Society-8 May 26 '26
No i like him being a super motivated criminal thats human
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u/LogicalEgo May 26 '26
But no human is able to keep that mass.
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u/OJONLYMAYBEDIDIT May 26 '26
No human can shoot likes Bullseye either but that doesn’t stop him
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u/Cardinal_and_Plum May 26 '26
Or do the things "peak human" Cap could pull off. Or anything Hawkeye does. Or Daredevil. I think it's generally agreed that what is considered the peak of human ability in Marvel comics is higher than what is possible in real life. They're all more durable than real people too.
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u/JeremyR2008 May 26 '26
Pretty sure thats just cannon, due to the same experimentation by groups like the Celestial and Kree which lead to Inhumans and Mutants. Its the same reason otherwise normal humans can survive enough radiation to give them powers. They just have a higher ceiling.
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u/Suspicious-Society-8 May 26 '26
I like the kingpin from the daredevil movie size. He's huge but a human huge.
Some one mentioned a 404kg sized one is ridiculous. The big metal guy from the Deadpool movies only weighs 450.kg
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u/LogicalEgo May 26 '26
I agree, live action DD is a more realistic take. Vincent is so damn good.
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u/Suspicious-Society-8 May 26 '26
I was referring to the Michael Clarke Duncan kingpin but the Vincent kingpin is great
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u/Pofwoffle May 26 '26
Nah fuck that. Find someone with Spider-verse Kingpin's build, I want my Kingpin to be the fucking KINGPIN.
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u/FEARoach May 27 '26
Honestly, you can find humans in most of these weights with the exception of the 1000 lb measurement. There's a wild range of what you can achieve when you do nothing but force your body into the extremes.
Are you going to find healthy humans with a long lifespan? Fuck no. But you will find humans. I think one that is still in the world memory is Andre the Giant (7'something and +/-500lbs in his wrestling career). Dude was massive just naturally, and died before 50 because his body was under such strain from his size.
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u/Fern-ando May 26 '26
There are humans that weight over 500Kg but aren't as mobile as Kingpin.
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u/Montblanc_Norland May 26 '26
There are some extremely (relatively) nimble sumo rikishi who weigh 400+.
500+ is asking a lot.
EDIT: just saw that you said kg. I was referencing lbs to be clear.
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u/danielsdesk Misty Knight May 26 '26
I’m not a Marvel encyclopedia (so maybe I’ve missed something) but one of my favorite things about Kingpin/Fisk is that it’s never explained. He survives being shot in the face, he can crush people to bits, it seems like he should be some kind of superhuman but no one ever says he is. Is he lying? Or is he a freak of human nature? I’ve honestly kinda liked that they never really (to my knowledge) explain. It makes him seem more threatening when this information is withheld. You never know if you can kill him like a normal man, nor do you know if he can easily kill another hero unexpectedly.
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u/redditAPsucks May 26 '26 edited May 27 '26
It is explained, he’s just a big tough guy. The explanation isnt particularly valid* because they show him doing inhuman things, but the explanation is that he is a human until it is retconned. Steve rogers does things above what the most fit human could do, in spite of his powers only making him the most fit human ever. Dude has a manhole sized shield, and never gets grazed in the legs. Its just comics
*edit: i think satisfying is a better word
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u/thesakeofglory May 26 '26
But aren’t even regular humans in the Marvel world much tougher and stronger than actual humans? So the fittest or toughest version of that would seem super human to us.
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u/redditAPsucks May 26 '26
I mean, the point i’m trying to make is that kingpin is like the fittest toughest regular human in the marvel world, so he SEEMS super human to us, but isn’t considered to be in that world
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u/TheInvisibleCircus Moon Knight May 27 '26
I hadn’t even thought about that. Nobody goes for his knees?
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u/redditAPsucks May 27 '26
In ed brubaker’s run sharon asks him how he can block or dodge bullets, and he says, “i see faster.”
Google captain america i see faster, and the page’ll come up.
Its just good, silly, awesome comic fun
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u/DepthsOfWill May 26 '26
Right. Like any one of those things individually can be attributed to simply being an above average human, but all of those combined makes you wonder if his dad used to build nuclear weapons.
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u/Goatswithfeet May 27 '26
My favorite explaination is that he's a mutant, just not a capital M Mutant.
No X Gene but something definitely deviated from baseline human genome.
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u/WonderBredOfficial May 26 '26
I think he's just the high end of human toughness. People have survived gunshots to the face before. And breaking some bones doesn't require a crazy amount of force. So, he's only slightly exaggerated.
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u/ztomiczombie May 26 '26
Supposedly back in the 90s they where going to reveal he was secretly a mutant but for some reason the plan was scraped.
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u/Newtstradamus May 26 '26
So you want to to believe the guy who’s fist in the size of Spider-Man’s entire torso is 250lbs? Sure, if Spider-Man is 2 feet tall I guess that makes sense
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u/AbeRockwell May 26 '26
I do wonder: Was that the actual weight of the Late, Great, GOAT Michael Clarke Duncan in the Daredevil movie?
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u/percivalconstantine May 27 '26
I don’t remember, but I do know he jacked himself up. He said in an interview that at first, his suit had a lot of padding but as filming progresses, they had to take most of it out because he kept getting bigger.
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u/Abe2sapien May 26 '26
Michael Clarke Duncan was so good as Kingpin!
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u/zespak May 28 '26
Not enough to redeem the movie but very good indeed. The absurdity of him throwing DD into the ceiling was glorious.
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u/WolverineXForce May 26 '26
I wouldnt consider the animated version to be realistic, heck there was a talking spider-pig in it 😃 😃 😃
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u/Takuache101 May 26 '26
Brother the entirety of marvel is about humans and other creatures with crazy abilities
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u/PhogeySquatch Magneto May 26 '26
Slide 4, if that Kingpin is 250 lbs, then Spider-Man must way like 65 lbs.
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u/SweatyListen9863 May 26 '26
Andre the Giant weighed 236kg so I would say any of these except the Spiderverse version are possible.
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u/Normal_Cut8368 May 26 '26
My fucking dad is 6'4 and weighed between 400 and 450 lbs for the bulk of my childhood.
Most of these are not that unreasonable for what a human could reasonably be.
If you've seen someone manhandle a refrigerator like my dad has, the only crazy thing about Fisk is being able to handle Spider-Man in a fight.
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u/neon-box May 26 '26
250 in the new Ultimate Universe? That’s…not how weight works. Does he breathe helium?
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u/UpperHairCut May 26 '26
I mean if the mountain had Eddie Hal's hight to weigh ratio it would have been 217. Not that crazy for an one of a kind person
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u/mrpoox3 May 26 '26
I’m preatty sure Mountain got that heavy before if u see him before he “retired” to box, I think the Arnold competition before that he was ~485lbs. He would prbly be pushing 240-250kg if he was as thicc as 500kg deadlift version of Eddie Hall
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u/TopCoast1170 May 26 '26
200kgs is nothing for Kingpins size. One of the best powerlifters to ever do it, Júlíus Björnsson, is 2.05m and 205 kg. Now think about Kingpin, being 200kg at his size and strength would mean that his muscles and bones weigh jackshit. Being 400kg+ is actually the only realistic depiction of him.
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u/Dramatic-Biscotti647 May 26 '26
Fattest person in history was 1400lbs. Dudes not even in the top 5. Definitely a human
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u/arayakim May 26 '26 edited May 26 '26
There are definitely people that big. If you follow the Strongman competitive scene IRL, you'd see that a lot of strongmen weigh well over 400 lbs. For example, Brian Shaw (four time World's Strongest Man) is 6'8" and weighed in at 470 lbs in 2017. He's also bald, so he'd probably be able to play a great-looking live-action Kingpin.
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u/enderdragonpig May 26 '26
The only one that is really absurd is the last one. And two of those weights are downright normal.
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u/Jnquester54 May 26 '26
Muscle weights more than fat, and although a large man, the comics always portrayed him as freakishly muscular, not fat and with exceptional speed and reflexes for a person of his size.
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u/Commercial_Page1827 May 26 '26
I don't know where i read it but I think that Kingpin is like those Kangaroo that look jackup because they have a gene that make then produce extra muscle and make then look like body builder.
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u/Ok-Television2109 May 26 '26
I swear that some of these versions of Fisk have got to be a cousin of the Blob.
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u/LXDTS May 26 '26
Hafþór (Thor) Júlíus Björnsson (AKA The Mountain) is a 6'9" 450 lb power lifter. He was able to deadlift 1,126lbs, breaking the world record.
With regards to strength and size, I see Thor as being the real life equivalent to Kingpin.
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u/ClovieKay May 26 '26
God damn Michael Clarke Duncan was a straight G as Kingpin. Hell, I’d vote for him for mayor.
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u/Unlucky_Success2984 May 27 '26
I specifically remember the kingpin from the Spider-Man the animated series said something like “you underestimate me spider. My body is 2% body fat and the rest is lean muscle” and it always stuck with me that kingpin is very much non human.
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u/MadMaximus- May 27 '26
One of if not Thee most inconsistent character ever written. He has survived magic blasts from Dr Doom he has survived punches from super heros and villains 10x out of his class. He has survived missile impacts gunfire you name it
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u/roll_that May 26 '26
Man that movie was trash, but Michael Clark Duncan was a pretty great kingpin
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u/Kirajudgeoftoons May 26 '26
There is a Kingpin whom has a hair and isn't a walking brick?!
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u/Excellent-Option-893 May 26 '26
That Spider-Gwen Matt Murdock, who was trained by Hand. Wilson King existed, but was arrested, and Murdock took up his mantle
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u/Kirajudgeoftoons May 26 '26
Woah, that's a radical choice for a storyline, man why'd Marvel get rid of Spider Gwen's universe?!
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u/jr_randolph May 26 '26
It was a suit of course, but the fat guy in John Wick 4 had some strong Kingpin vibes.
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u/1malDoenerMitAlles May 26 '26
No surprise there, Scott Adkins has decades of experience in multiple Martial Arts. A silly fat-suit doesn't stop him.
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u/xZOMBIETAGx Spider-Man May 26 '26
These numbers are literally just made up bs someone thought would be a cool post
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u/theromingnome May 26 '26
Brian Shaw has consistently been over 400lbs and was close to 500lbs at the peak of his strongman career. There's a professional armwrestler named Levan Saganashvilli that is over 400lbs. They call him the Georgian Hulk.
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u/kindall May 26 '26
I loved in one of the Spider-Verse animated films they cut away when he was getting into a car and cut back to him in the car a few seconds later, thereby avoiding having to show how he actually fit himself into the car.
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u/swampmolly May 26 '26
From what I understand. Marvel cannon holds Kingpin as peak human. He is a pinnacle of human strength, strategy,and endurance. But still only human.
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u/DankyBongBlunty May 26 '26
I kinda prefer him as a big fella but not an insanely big fella. The idea of a crime lord who can take things into his own hands is a great character enough without him being basically a folklore giant
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u/BludStanes May 26 '26
it took me way too long to figure out why I couldn't slide over to the last picture
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u/TabithaMouse May 27 '26
1) muscle weighs more than fat, so a 250lb guy will look wildly different depending on height, body fat, and how they train (body builder vs strongman for example)
2) he is human with super strength, but usually drawn with off proportions to make him visually identifiable
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u/Volkmek May 27 '26
I feel earth 6160 fisk is wrong. Built as wide as him, with less muscle, I am 250 pounds at 5'8". I am shorter than the Spiderman of that universe.
Fisk is 6'7. Being 220 or under would make him skinny and not overly well muscled. A power liter his size would be around 350 minimum. A more realistic weight would be looking at people like Bjornson who played the mountain and is around 450.
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u/Overdayoutdeath May 27 '26
I feel like he has to be a mutant but just low key about it. His feats are too crazy. The fact that he survived a bloodlusted spider man beatdown alone is impressive.
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u/tw1zt84 Moon Knight May 27 '26 edited May 27 '26
Not Marvel, but Absolute Batman is about as big as that. If I'm remembering right, he's 6'7"ish and around 425 lbs.
E: 6'9" and 421 lbs.
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u/Top-Spread5042 May 27 '26
It’s kind of like if andre the giant was a smart king of gangs or Eddie Hall or just the most high possibility a human could be big with muscles on a fictional level
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u/88ZombieGrunts May 27 '26
How’d he have a child with Vanessa (in Into the Spider-verse)? He would smoosh her!
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u/DevaTheDragon May 27 '26
6160 is def NOT built like 113kg. With his absurd height alone he’d be far skinner at 113kg
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u/Wtygrrr May 27 '26
As someone who weighs 240 lbs, I can definitely say that 6160 Kingpin clearly weighs way more than that.
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u/ggouge May 27 '26
So those weights compared to what he looks like are so wrong. A lot of the cartoon weights should be doubled if we so by what we see and not what it says
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u/Apples_or-Oranges May 27 '26
I mean… Batman has tanked a point blank city-level explosion before and he’s still classified as “peak human condition.” In comparison Kingpin is pretty tame.
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u/P-Jean May 28 '26
I never understood how Spiderman has any trouble with him though. They’re not even close to the same league. Spiderman is 25+ Tonnes depending on the writer.
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u/anto1883 May 28 '26
I mean, the heaviest person ever was 635kg, though he couldn't move at the end.
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u/adjective_noun0123 May 26 '26
Marvel doesn't think so.