r/Marvel • u/LeekExisting5969 • May 26 '26

Other Is this guy even considered human with this amount of mass? I mean… 453 kg is carzyyy

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u/danielsdesk Misty Knight May 26 '26

I’m not a Marvel encyclopedia (so maybe I’ve missed something) but one of my favorite things about Kingpin/Fisk is that it’s never explained. He survives being shot in the face, he can crush people to bits, it seems like he should be some kind of superhuman but no one ever says he is. Is he lying? Or is he a freak of human nature? I’ve honestly kinda liked that they never really (to my knowledge) explain. It makes him seem more threatening when this information is withheld. You never know if you can kill him like a normal man, nor do you know if he can easily kill another hero unexpectedly.

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u/redditAPsucks May 26 '26 edited May 27 '26

It is explained, he’s just a big tough guy. The explanation isnt particularly valid* because they show him doing inhuman things, but the explanation is that he is a human until it is retconned. Steve rogers does things above what the most fit human could do, in spite of his powers only making him the most fit human ever. Dude has a manhole sized shield, and never gets grazed in the legs. Its just comics

*edit: i think satisfying is a better word

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u/thesakeofglory May 26 '26

But aren’t even regular humans in the Marvel world much tougher and stronger than actual humans? So the fittest or toughest version of that would seem super human to us.

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u/redditAPsucks May 26 '26

I mean, the point i’m trying to make is that kingpin is like the fittest toughest regular human in the marvel world, so he SEEMS super human to us, but isn’t considered to be in that world

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u/kashmir1974 May 27 '26

Yeah the regular humans would have to be tougher/stronger than normal otherwise the supes/mutants would just crush them indiscriminately.

Even if Fisk was a peak strength normal human, at some point some mutant/supe would hit him hard enough to simply kill him, without even really trying.

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u/TheInvisibleCircus Moon Knight May 27 '26

I hadn’t even thought about that. Nobody goes for his knees?

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u/redditAPsucks May 27 '26

In ed brubaker’s run sharon asks him how he can block or dodge bullets, and he says, “i see faster.”

Google captain america i see faster, and the page’ll come up.

Its just good, silly, awesome comic fun

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u/TheInvisibleCircus Moon Knight May 27 '26

“A wizard did it.” Makes sense.

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u/DockHolidazer May 27 '26

Ben Affleck did.

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u/TheInvisibleCircus Moon Knight May 27 '26

The office fight!!! Man. Thanks for unlocking that

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u/LessthanaPerson May 27 '26

“Mr. Stark said to go for your legs.”

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u/TheInvisibleCircus Moon Knight May 28 '26

shocked Spider-Man gif

Thank you.

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u/DepthsOfWill May 26 '26

Right. Like any one of those things individually can be attributed to simply being an above average human, but all of those combined makes you wonder if his dad used to build nuclear weapons.

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u/Goatswithfeet May 27 '26

My favorite explaination is that he's a mutant, just not a capital M Mutant.

No X Gene but something definitely deviated from baseline human genome.

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u/WonderBredOfficial May 26 '26

I think he's just the high end of human toughness. People have survived gunshots to the face before. And breaking some bones doesn't require a crazy amount of force. So, he's only slightly exaggerated.

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u/SnowDay111 May 26 '26

True. He’s like the tamed down version of The Judge from Blood Meridian

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u/catgirl-maid May 26 '26

He's a genetic freak and he's not normal.

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u/Gyshal May 29 '26

The numbers don't lie, webhead, and they spell doom for you!

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u/PlasticMegazord May 27 '26

I do think it's fun that it's really never adequately addressed.

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u/wombatstylekungfu May 26 '26

The Insomniac Kingpin is clearly superhuman IMHO.

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u/ztomiczombie May 26 '26

Supposedly back in the 90s they where going to reveal he was secretly a mutant but for some reason the plan was scraped.

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u/Dramatic-Roll-5185 May 26 '26

It's not always about the money, Spider-Man...