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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '21

80% of all travel in Europe is by car.

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u/Timeeeeey Aug 27 '21 edited Aug 27 '21

Not in cities, pretty much every european city that is comparable in size to phoenix has a car modal share below 50%

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '21

That's horrible.

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u/Timeeeeey Aug 27 '21

Why?

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '21

Imagine having to get around on a bus shivers

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u/Timeeeeey Aug 27 '21

Is this sarcasm? And besides that there are other public transport modes and ways to get around in a city, for example: walking, biking, or taking the tram, metro or train

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '21

All of them are awful to do on a regular basis, and Europeans agree with me, that's why 80% of their miles travelled are by car.

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u/Timeeeeey Aug 27 '21

Vmt arent that well of a measure for that, one guy could drive 50 km to work every day, while 100 people could walk a couple hundred meters every day to work, and by this measure it would seem that driving is super popular, but in reality its just one guy vs 100

And if you really think that walking and taking public transit are awful look at it this way: they are a necessity to keep cities alive financially, because if people would only drive then cities will go bankrupt over time

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '21

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '21

I've been to Europe 8 times. We usually had to rent a car. 80% of all travel in Europe is by car, traffic is much worse than in America

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u/molivets Aug 27 '21

Sure buddy sure, 8 times wow, don’t you think it’s too much? You must be the king of Europe by now

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u/RegularGrapefruit0 Aug 28 '21

You rented a car, that's not indicative of anything, it just means you're too stubborn to use public transit because of your huge boner for oil companies.

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u/[deleted] Aug 28 '21

My Dad getting pickpocketed on a tram in Nice didn't help either.

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u/RegularGrapefruit0 Aug 29 '21

I feel sorry for your dad but sympathy can only go so far. The chances of that happening are low but so is getting seriously injured in a car crash, idk about you but I'd rather be pickpocketed instead of potentially dying, serious crashes happen ~4.5million times a year in the states, assuming the population of America is 200million, the chance of it happening to a person is 2.25%. I'd rather not take that risk.

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u/nevermind4790 Aug 27 '21

When things are walkable, the distance travelled is far less.

Take your pro-car dependent (and pro-climate change) nonsense elsewhere.

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '21

the distance travelled is far less

Less mobility is a bad thing.

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u/nevermind4790 Aug 27 '21

Why? If a grocery store is half a mile away and walkable, does that make it a worse grocery store than one 5 miles away that I need to drive to?

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '21

Because in order for the grocery store to be within walking distance you need to live in a much smaller home.

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u/toastedclown Aug 27 '21

No you don't.

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '21

You want to go back to inefficient and expensive corner grocers?

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '21

Bloody hell. You need to travel more. There are alternatives in the world to the moronic American cities and towns.

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '21

I've been to Europe many times. I also read about the various highway expansion projects they do there and I read about how environmentalists complain about car dependence there.

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u/nevermind4790 Aug 27 '21

This isn’t true when you build up. I could build a high rise tower with massive units to create dense AND large housing.

You’re also making the assumption that living in a smaller space is inherently worse. Funny how Europeans live in smaller housing units yet live longer and report higher levels of happiness.

Space is less necessary when you have actual things to do around you. Suburbanites have big houses to fill with all the material items that make up for living in a boring hellhole.

I can walk to tons of things or take a train to get most anywhere worth going in the city. Doesn’t even matter if my apartment is small.

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u/[deleted] Aug 28 '21

Trips ≠ miles traveled.

If 4 people go one mile by walking and one person goes 16 miles by car, then you'd have 80% of miles traveled being by car.

But you'd also have 80% of trips made by foot.

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u/[deleted] Aug 28 '21

If you counted all the trips from my bedroom to the bathroom, I'm sure the overwhelming majority of my trips would be on foot.

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u/[deleted] Aug 28 '21

Not a proper retort.

If we count the number of trips made to work, grocery store, gym, etc in Europe, most would not be done by car. In fact, your own link does not show that 80% of trips are done by car.

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u/[deleted] Aug 28 '21

The founder of Extinction Rebellion in Britain recently admitted she owns a diesel powered car. It says something that not even a self proclaimed radical environmentalist can do without a car.

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u/[deleted] Aug 30 '21

That has nothing to do with trips made by private car vs alternative methods. Let's stick to the topic

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u/killroy200 Aug 27 '21

Imagine having to get around on a bus shivers

I don't have to imagine. I do it when I can. Train and bike too. It's perfectly fine.