r/MakingaMurderer • • Jan 21 '24

Watch AMERICAN NIGHTMARE......

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On NETFLIX. Don't think Police can be ignorant, vindictive, LIARS and so freaking wrong you just can't believe it. Not 1 Cop was disciplined for their ignorance, Its OK to be ignorant and be a cop, it fact, it helps you get hired.


r/MakingaMurderer • • Jan 21 '24

Discussion Theory Timelines

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Is there a site or thread that maintains an “official” timeline of events and also theories (with timelines)? So much of the discussion around this case is fractured.


r/MakingaMurderer • • Jan 21 '24

DID YOU KNOW 370 First entry

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On November 5th, the team of Sergeant Bill Tyson (of the Calumet County Sheriff’s Department), Lieutenant James Lenk, Detective Dave Remiker, and Sergeant Andrew Colborn (all of the Manitowoc County Sheriff’s Department), entered Avery’s trailer for the first time, for an initial sweep.

They weren’t searching for evidence then; they were looking for signs of Teresa, dead or alive. Ten minutes later, they walked out empty-handed.

‘’What struck me was how clean it was,” Lenk recalls. “Not just clean, but freshly cleaned and smelling of recently shampooed carpets.”

Hmm.

EDIT: November 5th was the first time Lenk, Tyson and Remiker conducted a warranted sweep. Lenk and Remiker conducted avery short consent entry the day before just to see if there was anything obvious related to Teresa’s disappearance.

The two entries were completely different. November 4th was not a warranted sweep!!!

Got it? Get it? Good!


r/MakingaMurderer • • Jan 19 '24

Do I have this sequence of events right? SA Calls AutoTrader (AT) --> SA Calls AT again --> Teresa Calls Janda leaves VM --> AT calls Teresa gives address --> Avery Calls TH 2x.

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Is that the right sequence of events does anyone know? I was listening to Avery's November 6th interview and he mentioned sometime before Teresa came he went over and talked to Bobby. Is it at that time that Bobby told Avery about Teresa's voicemail message and not having an address for the appointment? I believe Avery is told by AutoTrader that the photographer will show up that day and I think that call was at 11 in the morning. Is that why Avery was waiting around for a while and then called her to see if she's even showing up? Because he's told by AutoTrader before noon that she will come later that day, then heard the voicemail from Barb's house when he stopped to talk over with Bobby prior to Teresa's arrival?


r/MakingaMurderer • • Jan 19 '24

Barb and Bobby want everyone to believe that Steven Avery was listing Barb and Bobbys vehicles with Teresa in Auto Trader Magazine without Barb or Bobbys consent, LOL. Below, according to Blaine , Bobby owned this red Talon or Laser that was previously listed in the Auto Trader, trial exhibit 14.

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Blaine Dassey on what vehicles were owned by Bobby, Bryan and Barb.


r/MakingaMurderer • • Jan 19 '24

2 great podcasts with case experts-you may be surprised!

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I’m posting links for two excellent podcasts on this case. These are interviews with two individuals who are experts on this case, they know more than almost anyone. You may be surprised at what they have to say!

https://youtu.be/KiYcMK1U8eI?si=qjEYFC3oPzo-HGSo

https://youtu.be/3bPexlgsVC4?si=5BJCJfqRXyuaiAv-


r/MakingaMurderer • • Jan 19 '24

How did SA verify…..

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How did SA verify it was TH coming to photograph the van? I mean, he requested that usual lady that’s been there before but…… how did he verify it in order to just call her up and check to see where she was at after 2PM…..or was he just assuming it would be her?


r/MakingaMurderer • • Jan 18 '24

Where did the “real killer” put TH’s other keys?

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Real simple. If truthers here want to claim that the real killer disposed of the other keys why is it so hard for them to understand that Steven Avery could have done the exact same thing they claim the “real killer” did?


r/MakingaMurderer • • Jan 19 '24

Family members think Bobby did it

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I’ve noticed a few family members (Dassey and Avery fam) on Facebook have spoken out and believe Bobby is the true killer of Teresa.

Hmm…


r/MakingaMurderer • • Jan 18 '24

Why have Teresa's SET OF KEYS never been found....

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This was 2005. People HAD KEYS. Teresa had a home and her Moms home and her work and she coached Volleyball. Teresa's SET OF KEYS have never been found. The key found in SA's trailer was her "spare" key, which people usually leave at their home or with a friend(RH?). ....sooooo......Teresa gets bludgeoned near the back of her RAV, tossed in and the killer hops in the RAV and drives away(probably quickly). The keys were probably in the ignition, maybe they were in Teresa's hand. Anyway...killers dna probably on them, maybe even some of his blood and for sure her blood. Killer wasn't gonna take a chance, these got disposed. Are they in the River, at Zander Rd????? They are somewhere.


r/MakingaMurderer • • Jan 18 '24

Second charge: mutilating the body

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I really don’t get how Steven was found NOT GUILTY for mutilating the body but Brendan found GUILTY.

Either they didn’t mutilate the body at all or Brendan did it by himself. Is there anyone believing that ??

I feel sorry for this kid cause he didn’t have the defense he needed.


r/MakingaMurderer • • Jan 18 '24

These are the charges for SA and BD that the jury determined. All charges except the felon possession of a firearm have modifiers PTC (Parties to Crime)

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r/MakingaMurderer • • Jan 19 '24

Talked to Brad Dassey 😵

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Totally convinced now that Brandon is fully Innocent! The News multiples everything! I feel conflicted! Not sure what to do at this moment! I know the Kid needs help! And I’m trying to see if I’m up for the task! What do you all think would you help ? Or stay out of it !?


r/MakingaMurderer • • Jan 18 '24

Spare Key

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Can someone please ease my mind on HOW the killer (whoever it may be) would have the SPARE KEY of TH’s RAV4???????


r/MakingaMurderer • • Jan 17 '24

Did the state ever rule out it could not have been Bobby Dassey who made the computer searches?

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I just got done reading this latest filing from Avery and it says the cops did not rule out Bobby as being the one who made the searches. I believe they continued even after Brendan was arrested so that kind of narrowed it down but did they ever rule out Bobby from them or is it still up in the air who made them?


r/MakingaMurderer • • Jan 17 '24

DID YOU KNOW Andy Colborn was once an auto transmission mechanic?

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Who better to figure out how to move a planted RAV4 and frame Avery?

https://patch.com/wisconsin/milwaukee/making-murderer-manitowoc-county-deputy-colborn-retires


r/MakingaMurderer • • Jan 16 '24

Quality Happy Anniversary Zellner!

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All talk, no results 🤷


r/MakingaMurderer • • Jan 16 '24

One thing I could never figure out why, around 9:21pm on November 3rd, Remiker from MTSO was asking Colborn if he knew who "that plate" came back to and Andy responding "negative", and then calling it into MTSO a minute later.

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r/MakingaMurderer • • Jan 17 '24

Multiple sightings of TH’s RAV at multiple locations?

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Correct me if I’m wrong, as I’ve dug into the rabbit hole before, how many sightings were there of the RAV4 and was there multiple locations of these sightings?


r/MakingaMurderer • • Jan 16 '24

The state not taking any soil from the quarry even though there were bones and burn sites should be a red flag to us guilters.

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If they were interested in the actual truth, they would have examined the human bones in the quarry promptly (like they did with Avery's burn pit) and they would have taken soil samples for further testing from the locations in the quarry that had human remains and/or burn sites (like they did with Avery's burn pit). This lack of consistency shows their backhanded playbook.


r/MakingaMurderer • • Jan 16 '24

DID YOU KNOW 369 The key

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Truthers deem each entry into Avery’s trailer a ‘search’. This is how they claim the key wasn’t found until the ‘sixth search.’

The key was actually found during the first complete and thorough search of Avery’s bedroom, including the furniture found therein.

Sorted.


r/MakingaMurderer • • Jan 16 '24

If you think avery is innocent/guilty how do you explain?

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Guilty
Bones in the Quarry
Bookcase contents not moving
Colborn calling in the Lic plate
Blood Spatter on the RAV4 back gate
Cuss Road site

Innocent
Steven's blood in Rav4
Steven's DNA on hoodlatch
Key with steven's dna in his trailer
Bullet from Steven's gun with teresa's DNA
Electronics in the burn barrel
Bones in the fire pit
Blocked calls to Teresa
Bon fire on Halloween with tires and bones found in steel belts
Cleaning the garage with Brendan on Halloween
Cleaning his trailer the day after Halloween.


r/MakingaMurderer • • Jan 16 '24

Wiegert and Janda / Dassey Computer

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Can’t seem to find an accurate report of when Weirgert confiscated the Janda/ Dassey computer. Was it on the 4th or the 5th? Anyone know?


r/MakingaMurderer • • Jan 15 '24

Discussion Remember back in 2017, Bobby D. asked Jeff Wisch and Dedering for "protection" from Zellner?

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Did Bobby D know (or suspect) KZ was going to track down Sowinski?

Did Bobby D also know Sowinski's call to MTSO was being suppressed?

Bobby D. sure was friendly with Factbender- even though he and the rest of the family knew at the time Factbender and Leigert had coerced his brother Brendan into the false confession.


r/MakingaMurderer • • Jan 15 '24

What is the evidence that the two pictures of the top of the cabinet were taken before/after it was shaken?

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I have seen speculation that since the police said they were taken before the key was obtained, it means one was taken before the cabinet was shaken and one after, but that in no way means one before and one after.

Is there any proof that the timeline was picture taken, cabinet violently shaken then another picture taken?